With God On Our Side - Episode 5

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Anti-abortion activists cheered when Reagan named one of their own, C. Everett Koop, as Surgeon-General. By the mid-'80s, though, AIDS tragically hits home even in fundamentalist circles, and Koop splits from his former allies over the proper Christian response to this 'sign of God's judgment.' Hearing the call of God, Pat Robertson mobilizes an 'invisible army' of fervent believers, many of whom had never before engaged in politics, to support his bid for the Presidency. Though dogged by the televangelist scandals, the Robertson campaign -- with its calls for renewed patriotism and its fierce attacks on liberalism -- sets the agenda for George Bush's victory over Michael Dukakis.

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Robertson, Cliff (Narrator)
Skaggs, Calvin (Producer)
Skaggs, Calvin (Director)
Taylor, David Van (Producer)
Singer, Bennett L (Producer)
Singer, Bennett L (Director)

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Produced and directed by Bennett Singer.

MARC Record See Worldcat record

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Religious Right; President Bush; evangelical Christianity; evangelical; George W. Bush; Pat Robertson Ralph Reed; Christian Coalition; conservative ; Paul Weyrich; Reverend Jerry Falwell; Doug Wead; David Frum; Don Poage; oil-business; Bible-study; Billy Graham; Richard Nixon; video; documentary; film; Christian anti-Communism; grassroot; grassroots; Church and State ; sex education; textbook; jimmy carter; Moral Majority; C. Everett Koop; Michael Dukakis ; ; "With God On Our Side - Episode 5"; Icarus Films; religion; doc;

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Salt.

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This is the site on which the
city of Sodom once stood, here

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on the Dead Sea in Israel.

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Once here, under this surreal
field of salt, Sodom was the

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most humanly-corrupt
city on earth.

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Sodom comes readily to mind
when one contemplates the

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evils of abortion and the
death of moral law.

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We have had legalized abortion
in the United

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States since 1973.

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At least six million unborn
babies have been aborted.

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With the arrival of Mr. Reagan,
the conservative

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Christian community came
to Washington.

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And I began to realize that
people advising the president

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were suggesting that I might
be a good Surgeon General.

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For many, many years, he had
been very outspoken in

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promoting of traditional
Judeo-Christian values,

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whether it was in the area of
sex education or abortion.

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We thought that getting Koop
in office was one of the

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closest things that we had to
somebody who actually shared

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our values in a high position
of the administration.

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They were pro-life people.

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They were people concerned about
handicapped children.

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They were people concerned
about the

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interests of children.

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They were Roman Catholics.

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They were evangelicals.

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They were Mormons.

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There\'s quite a bunch
of people.

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The American Public Health
Association is opposing a

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choice for Surgeon General
for the first time in

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its 109-year history.

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Serious questions arise as to
Koop\'s ability or willingness

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to separate his personal
religious beliefs, which we

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believe he is entitled to,
from his public policy

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judgments and behavior.

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Women\'s health issues are going
to be set back to the

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days before we were able
to make choices.

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He\'s a frightening individual.

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What?

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We have a fundamentalist
Surgeon General?

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What will he do?

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I didn\'t come to Washington
carrying any label in front of

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me, but other people
put labels on me.

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There was not but one favorable
article in a

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newspaper or magazine
or comment on

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television about me.

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What about Dr. Koop?

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The secular media mobilized
itself in this campaign to

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destroy him and did not
allow his good points

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to be brought out.

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Yeah, the liberal newspapers
dominated by this humanist

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view, they carry reams of
material trying to get poor,

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old Dr. Koop, who has been my
friend for 30 years, trying to

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get him not to be accepted as
the Surgeon General of the

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United States.

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Dr. Koop, you\'ve been criticized
in editorials,

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Detroit Free Press,
The Louisville

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Times, Los Angeles Times.

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I want to read this to you,
and get your reaction.

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Dr. Koop\'s being honored for the
most cynical of reasons,

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not for his medical skills but
political compatibility.

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How would you respond to
those, those concepts?

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Well, I responded very badly
when I read that, sir.

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[LAUGHTER]

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I\'ve heard expressed the fear
that because of your

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opposition to abortion that you
may utilize your position

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as Surgeon General to alter
or restrict the research

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presently carried out by the
National Institutes of Health.

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I think you should know first
about the conversation I had

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with Secretary Schweiker the
day that I arrived in

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Washington.

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I went and told him it was not
my intent to use any post that

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I might have in the government
as a pulpit for an ideology,

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and that it was not my intent to
continue to be a speaker on

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what I call the pro-life
circuit.

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Quarantine.

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It\'s a word we associate with
diseases of the past like

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polio, but--

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The battle for confirmation
behind him, Dr. Koop faced a

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new disease dividing
the nation--

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--affecting the 1.5--

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--AIDS.

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-million carriers of AIDS.

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Federal agents are even now
threatening to quarantine

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cattle suffering from
brucellosis in order to

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prevent a possible epidemic
among cattle.

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And yet, AIDS has not received
the same radical and immediate

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treatment from governmental
agencies or from the Congress.

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And we ask the question, could
this congressional silence

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possibly be attributed to the
fact that homosexuals

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constitute a very potent
voting block

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and the cows do not?

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Would you be in favor of
quarantining those people who

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we know are affected with
the AIDS virus?

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I would not be against it.

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But I don\'t know that
there\'s the current

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political will to do it.

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You couldn\'t have concocted
with a think tank a more

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difficult disease to deal with
politically, medically,

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socially, economically,
than AIDS.

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AIDS was really not a
known thing of what

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RD had at the time.

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It was kept very quiet
for many reasons.

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But the people that did know,
it was real interesting.

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I mean, some people would see me
walking across the street,

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and normally, I would very much,
or they would very much,

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run up and hug me and say,
Cynthia, what\'s happening?

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What\'s doing?

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And they, specifically, would
act as if I didn\'t see them,

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or they would walk across the
street to get out from the

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same side of the street
I was on.

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We had another chance to get
our hair cut, but they said

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that they weren\'t going to
even touch our hair.

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They wouldn\'t cut it.

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[CHANTING]

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We had instances of the family
having its house burned down

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because the bigoted community
around them thought they\'d get

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rid of AIDS.

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Let\'s say you\'re John Citizen.

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You could lose your job and
with that, your insurance,

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which will pay for your
final illness

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$100,000, your housing.

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Your minister might even say,
our congregation would rather

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have you worship elsewhere.

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I wasn\'t up on things,
and I said, HIV?

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What does that mean?

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It was my--

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no, it was such a out of left
field kind of thing.

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And he said, it means
AIDS, Dad.

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And we\'ve all tested now,
already before we called you.

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And Lydia, my daughter-in-law,
is positive.

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Matthew is positive.

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And our new baby, Brian,
is positive.

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This was back in 1985.

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It was pretty much new
on the horizon.

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And we were just not--

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The blood bank had called and
said that they had infected

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our family with HIV virus when
our first grandson, Matthew,

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was born in San Francisco about
three years before that.

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I went to the senior minister
and told him about Matthew and

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Lydia\'s and Brian\'s
HIV infection--

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at that time, we were
calling it AIDS--

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and that I was negative.

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And during that initial
conversation he had asked for

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my resignation.

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The bottom line of
that is firing.

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And so here they not only have
the threat of the disease they

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don\'t understand and it\'s
threatening to them, they also

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lose their job.

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The two things that I had
dedicated my life to were God

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and my family, and
my God had moved.

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This whole thing destroyed my
view of God, as well as it

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takes away my family little
by little, inch by

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inch, day by day.

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Hi.

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Hey, big guy.

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Brian could never crawl.

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He could never hold his
head up on his own.

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And he lived with an
enormous amount of

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pain all of his life.

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Brian we had for nine months.

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And if I grieved Brian, it was
watching Lydia and my brother.

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Lydia passed away two weeks
after I had lost a very dear

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friend of mine to the
same disease.

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And the issue became where
Matthew could go to church,

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where he could be accepted in
the nursery-- he was three at

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that time in the younger age.

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Scott began looking.

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He looked in several churches.

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He looked in Disciples
churches.

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That\'s what he was related
to at that time--

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Methodist, Presbyterian,
and Baptist.

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They needed the church.

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But trying to figure out how
to integrate them into the

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life of the church was really
a very painful thing.

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And finally, I made
the decision.

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I never did ask the church
what we should do.

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But I talked to some individual
members of the

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congregation, and we tried to
figure out ways to work with

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them on an individual level.

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And we failed.

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When they gave us the boot it
was like they were treating me

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like I was the devil.

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It ultimately meant that there
was no place for Matthew to go

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to Sunday school.

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I think of all the wounds
that we had, that

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was the deepest one.

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What can I say?

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Well, you could be more
gracious as a

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conqueror, as a victor.

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That\'s going to be fine.

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Matt has never had the Sunday
school kind of nurture that he

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needed to have.

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I have a son, one of the most
gifted human beings I know,

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one of the most sensitive, who
is a homosexual-lifestyle

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living person.

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And he\'s tested positive
for HIV.

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I was demanding acceptance from
the man, when the best he

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could give me was his love.

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But he is my son,
and I love him.

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And he\'s going to die one
of these days, and he is

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absolutely unafraid about it
because he has such an

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absolute belief that God
is working in his life.

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\"The Bible says that the
wages of sin is death.

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In the Bible it is also written,
\'There is a way which

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seems right to a man, but only
leads death in the end.\' \"

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I believe that AIDS and
syphilis and all the

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sexually-transmitted diseases
are God\'s judgment upon the

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total society for embracing what
God has condemned, that

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is, sex outside of marriage.

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I don\'t know of nothing that
should speak loudly to us than

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the problems of AIDS.

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That God is dissatisfied.

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God is gently, but very
definitely, warning us that he

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can get rougher.

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It\'s an interesting thing that
when you die of a heart

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attack, nobody blames you for
the fact that you overate all

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of your life and, therefore,
you got a heart attack.

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If you die of lung cancer even,
folks may lament the

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fact that you smoked all your
life, but they don\'t

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blame you for it.

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But if you die of AIDS they
ask, how did you get it?

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Maybe you really deserved it.

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I did something that
very few public

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officials have ever done.

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I spent the first seven weeks
of 1987 talking only to

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religious groups.

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I was really fighting a cause
for people who were in very

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serious trouble.

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The teaching of your church has
been to separate the sin

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from the sinner, and you may
hate the former, but you must

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love the latter.

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Remember, we are fighting
a disease.

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We are not fighting people.

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He came to speak at Liberty
University and brought his

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little speech on this is what
I believe is an evangelical

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Christian, that the best way
to prevent HIV is lifelong

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heterosexual commitment.

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But I\'m also the Surgeon General
of the United States

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of America, where many people
choose not to accept or

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believe my values.

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Therefore, for the good of the
public, for the greater public

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good, I have to advocate
condom distribution.

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And it was, like, whoa.

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It\'s likely to raise a ruckus in
homerooms and homes across

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the country, but the government
wants AIDS

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discussed in schools as early
as the third grade.

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With the AIDS epidemic
growing--

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15,000 dead and 1 and 1/2
million Americans infected

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with the AIDS virus--

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the Surgeon General feels the
word about this deadly disease

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must get out.

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This silence must end.

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We can no longer afford to
sidestep frank, open

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discussions about sexual
practices, heterosexual and

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homosexual.

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The frank talk includes lectures
to kids as part of

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their sex education classes.

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I use the real terrible
word, condom.

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And that was probably the most
serious word that I used in my

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entire tenure as Surgeon
General, and it absolutely

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inflamed certain parts of the
president\'s constituency.

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Some people are trying to use
panic about AIDS to force a

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teaching in the public school
classroom of the acceptability

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of the promiscuous or homosexual
lifestyles with the

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use of condoms.

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And our position is, that
is unacceptable.

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I would prefer that public
schools teach children to

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abstain from sexual activity
until they get married.

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But it doesn\'t take very
long to say that.

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I mean, how long does
it take to say that?

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Just tell them to keep your
hands out of what\'s inside

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your swimming suit.

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Let me tell you exactly
how I felt about that.

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It was not easy for someone who
was then in his 70s, been

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married for 50 years, had
children and grandchildren, to

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be talking about these
things in public.

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But somebody had to talk about
them, and nobody was talking

00:14:51.810 --> 00:14:52.480 align:middle line:90%
about them.

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I think he\'s the Surgeon General
of the far left.

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He is the Surgeon General
primarily of

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the homosexual lobby.

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He is not a person who is being
responsive to his boss,

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Ronald Reagan.

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You cannot believe in the
inerrancy of scripture and

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take the positions
that he\'s taken.

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So I don\'t know where he
changed his position.

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Maybe we were sold a bill
of goods to begin with.

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It\'s one thing to come to
Washington and have

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firmly-held positions.

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But it\'s another thing to take
an oath of office to uphold

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the Constitution.

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And there may be times when,
without abandoning your

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beliefs, you have to make a
political compromise to get

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the best possible solution to
a problem that you can.

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I made a mistake.

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I didn\'t know that he would turn
out to be a man of such

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enormous integrity.

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He is, indeed, a leader
amongst leaders.

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I am so honored to present
this award to

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Dr. C. Everett Koop.

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[APPLAUSE]

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I think what C. Everett Koop did
is he introduced a concept

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that is actually a
theologically-based concept of

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two kingdoms.

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That we have an obligation to
God\'s kingdom, and we have an

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obligation to human kingdoms.

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And in our obligation to God\'s
kingdom, we are, obviously,

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going to promote the sexuality,
as we understand it

00:16:23.990 --> 00:16:27.180 align:middle line:84%
and as the scripture teaches it,
as the best prevention to

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the spread of HIV.

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But what C. Everett
Koop did, he

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introduced the other concept--

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what about our commitment
to public health?

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And what about those
who choose not

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to believe our values?

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Are we willing to let them die
for the sake of our values?

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The whole Christian mission
world in the developing

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countries arose in the
middle of the last

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century over leprosy.

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That was the great issue.

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We will leave the shores of
England and Belgium and

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Holland, and we will go to
Africa and India, and we will

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treat leprosy patients because
they are, first of all, they

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have a disease we don\'t
understand.

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They are outcasts.

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They are pushed out
of their families.

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They are desolate, and
they\'re dying.

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And my plea to the Christian
church was, AIDS is modern-day

00:17:19.609 --> 00:17:22.349 align:middle line:84%
leprosy as far as the challenge
for social services

00:17:22.349 --> 00:17:23.440 align:middle line:90%
is concerned.

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Respond in the 1980s as
you did in the 1860s.

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That\'s your obligation.

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Steve is a patient of AIDS, and
he\'s so generously allowed

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us to talk to him today.

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Was it just a word to you?

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Is it something that just
happens to other people and

00:17:38.390 --> 00:17:39.250 align:middle line:90%
not to Steve?

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I knew that it was a growing
problem in the gay community.

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But I, as many other people
did back in 1981 and \'82,

00:17:47.580 --> 00:17:48.950 align:middle line:90%
denied that it could touch me.

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I mean, we didn\'t see how
it-- well, I mean, why

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would it hurt me?

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I was a good Christian pastor
pastoring a church in

00:17:54.630 --> 00:17:55.160 align:middle line:90%
Connecticut.

00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:58.500 align:middle line:84%
Tammy Bakker insisted on
interviewing people with AIDS

00:17:58.500 --> 00:18:00.020 align:middle line:90%
on her program.

00:18:00.020 --> 00:18:02.940 align:middle line:84%
She insisted on talking
about how Jesus would

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treat people with AIDS.

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And how sad that we, as
Christians, who like to be the

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salt of the earth, and we who
are supposed to be able to

00:18:14.360 --> 00:18:19.510 align:middle line:84%
love everyone, are afraid so
badly of an AIDS patient that

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we will not go up and put our
arm around them and tell them

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that we care.

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[SINGING]

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Let me tell you, the most
Christian institution we found

00:18:40.450 --> 00:18:46.230 align:middle line:84%
for our little boy was the
Lakewood Public School.

00:18:46.230 --> 00:18:51.039 align:middle line:84%
It\'s that place where people
know how to love and to care.

00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:59.318 align:middle line:90%
[SINGING]

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Thank you for all the support
you\'ve given me and my family

00:19:03.940 --> 00:19:07.285 align:middle line:90%
over the past six years.

00:19:07.285 --> 00:19:10.700 align:middle line:84%
It has meant so much
to me and them.

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We don\'t touch lepers.

00:19:13.800 --> 00:19:19.530 align:middle line:84%
And somehow, that separation,
that refusal to touch,

00:19:19.530 --> 00:19:23.960 align:middle line:84%
contaminates us with a deeper
virus than leprosy.

00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:26.750 align:middle line:84%
It\'s the virus of
indifference, of

00:19:26.750 --> 00:19:28.550 align:middle line:90%
hardheartedness.

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You see, any time you need to
reach out and touch and do

00:19:32.120 --> 00:19:35.630 align:middle line:84%
not, you have to have something
hardening the

00:19:35.630 --> 00:19:38.350 align:middle line:84%
arteries of compassion
in your spirit.

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And that shrivels the soul.

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[CHANTING]

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I am declaring that I am a
official candidate for the

00:19:57.642 --> 00:19:59.774 align:middle line:84%
Republican nomination
for the presidency

00:19:59.774 --> 00:20:01.086 align:middle line:90%
of the United States.

00:20:01.086 --> 00:20:06.010 align:middle line:90%

00:20:06.010 --> 00:20:09.100 align:middle line:84%
He was someone who was, in the
midst of all the evil, he was

00:20:09.100 --> 00:20:10.700 align:middle line:84%
perceived as someone
who was a good.

00:20:10.700 --> 00:20:13.670 align:middle line:84%
I remember in the beginning,
when I heard that Pat was

00:20:13.670 --> 00:20:16.620 align:middle line:84%
considering running for the
White House, I was thrilled.

00:20:16.620 --> 00:20:18.910 align:middle line:84%
Because he not only was a
Christian, but he was a

00:20:18.910 --> 00:20:20.570 align:middle line:90%
Pentecostal Christian.

00:20:20.570 --> 00:20:24.890 align:middle line:84%
And he wasn\'t ashamed of his
roots and his background.

00:20:24.890 --> 00:20:30.410 align:middle line:84%
And he gave the Pentecostals,
for the first time, a voice.

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It\'s so important to use the
heavenly language that

00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:36.400 align:middle line:90%
God has given you.

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Join us as we speak the
word of the Lord.

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[SPEAKING IN TONGUES]

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What the scripture teaches,
the way we

00:20:41.330 --> 00:20:42.980 align:middle line:90%
understand it, is to repent.

00:20:42.980 --> 00:20:46.260 align:middle line:84%
Be baptized, like it says in
Acts 2:38, in the name of

00:20:46.260 --> 00:20:48.360 align:middle line:84%
Jesus Christ, and you
will receive the

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gift of the Holy Spirit.

00:20:50.590 --> 00:20:53.110 align:middle line:84%
And that is what is called
speaking in tongues.

00:20:53.110 --> 00:20:56.480 align:middle line:84%
So I\'m what you call
a tongue-talking,

00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:59.850 align:middle line:90%
Bible-believing Christian.

00:20:59.850 --> 00:21:01.390 align:middle line:84%
I was actually sort
of a radical.

00:21:01.390 --> 00:21:03.020 align:middle line:90%
We wanted coed dorms.

00:21:03.020 --> 00:21:06.450 align:middle line:84%
I was involved in the first Hash
Bash that ever happened

00:21:06.450 --> 00:21:07.635 align:middle line:90%
at my little university.

00:21:07.635 --> 00:21:10.495 align:middle line:90%
[MUSIC PLAYING]

00:21:10.495 --> 00:21:12.870 align:middle line:84%
I ended up kind of living in a
flop house with a bunch of

00:21:12.870 --> 00:21:14.800 align:middle line:84%
other drug-type dealers
and had a

00:21:14.800 --> 00:21:16.360 align:middle line:90%
meaningless life at the time.

00:21:16.360 --> 00:21:19.100 align:middle line:84%
And my uncle, who was a
Christian, came over at

00:21:19.100 --> 00:21:22.320 align:middle line:84%
Christmas break and spent two
weeks just opening up the New

00:21:22.320 --> 00:21:24.700 align:middle line:84%
Testament, and I was reading
the words of Jesus for the

00:21:24.700 --> 00:21:25.390 align:middle line:90%
first time.

00:21:25.390 --> 00:21:29.880 align:middle line:84%
And I became, overnight really,
I guess, by the

00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:32.300 align:middle line:84%
world\'s terms, a radical
Christian.

00:21:32.300 --> 00:21:34.970 align:middle line:84%
Here I was on Madison Avenue
and running a big account.

00:21:34.970 --> 00:21:36.230 align:middle line:90%
I made tons of money.

00:21:36.230 --> 00:21:38.720 align:middle line:84%
I had everything I thought I
wanted, and I was still not

00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:40.100 align:middle line:90%
feeling rewarded.

00:21:40.100 --> 00:21:42.310 align:middle line:84%
Some people would say
I became born again.

00:21:42.310 --> 00:21:46.930 align:middle line:84%
Some people would classify it as
I just sort of re-committed

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my life because I
had as a child.

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But whatever happened,
I was different.

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In the neighborhood I grew up,
I believed that if you voted

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Republican and let anyone
know, it was cause for a

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confession.

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I mean, that\'s how strong we
were in the democratic

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neighborhood.

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And I changed that, 1980, when
Ronald Reagan ran, and I

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thought it was an opportunity
that that pro-life line which

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in the platform.

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And I\'ve been a Republican
ever since.

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The first time Pat really went
off to a political event, you

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might say, he says, what am
I supposed to do now?

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And I said, what you\'re going to
do is you walk over to the

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first table, and I said, you put
out your hand to the very

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first person and you say to
them, I am Pat Robertson, and

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I\'m thinking of running
for president

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of the United States.

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And you could just see
the look on his face

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that this was anathema.

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He looked at me, and
he said, really?

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And I said, yes.

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And he says, I don\'t think
I want to do that.

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And I said, do you want
to be president?

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I\'ve mentioned on several
occasions that I was in the

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process of crystallizing a
decision, and of course, one

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of the things that I rely on
in that is what some of the

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people that I meet tell me.

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And I\'m seeking wise counsel,
so I guess this is a big

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enough group here in the
Tri-Cities area.

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What do you think?

00:22:58.270 --> 00:23:02.520 align:middle line:90%
[CHEERING]

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It would be not unusual at
all to draw 5,000 people.

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It\'s almost unheard of.

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I mean, having worked campaigns
all over the country

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all of my life and struggling
to put two United States

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senators in a room and get 150
people, even if you paid for

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their dinner and their breakfast
to come here and

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speak, and to watch Pat
Robertson draw 5,000 people.

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There\'s something
going on here.

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I believe that America is facing
a flood tide of social

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problems which are a direct
result of moral decay.

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And if you take away our
religion and you take away our

00:23:36.380 --> 00:23:40.100 align:middle line:84%
morality, then what you will
wind up with is a government

00:23:40.100 --> 00:23:41.380 align:middle line:90%
of tyranny.

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And ladies and gentlemen, as I
am dreaming, I am dreaming

00:23:44.540 --> 00:23:47.780 align:middle line:84%
once again of a nation under
God, where the Bible is

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honored and where little
children can once again pray

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in the schools of our nation.

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I perceived an enormous
constituency, a rising

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movement, throughout the country
that had cheered

00:24:02.710 --> 00:24:04.340 align:middle line:90%
Ronald Reagan.

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And I felt that, perhaps, what
my philosophy was more closely

00:24:09.470 --> 00:24:12.200 align:middle line:84%
mirrored the philosophy
of Ronald Reagan

00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:13.940 align:middle line:90%
than George Bush did.

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Now Michigan has kicked off the
earliest-ever presidential

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campaign, 2 and 1/2
years before the

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presidential election.

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We made the decision here, the
party leadership, to move our

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primary up.

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We were the seventh largest
state in the union, but our

00:24:29.990 --> 00:24:31.510 align:middle line:90%
primary never seemed to count.

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George Bush had won the state
of Michigan in 1980 over

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Reagan, and this was
seen as a very,

00:24:36.710 --> 00:24:39.720 align:middle line:90%
very clear Bush territory.

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I did well in Michigan
before, and I would

00:24:43.630 --> 00:24:44.720 align:middle line:90%
like to do well again.

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Michigan is a state that is
portrayed as a, quote,

00:24:49.360 --> 00:24:53.360 align:middle line:84%
\"northern industrial liberal
state.\" It is no such thing.

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It is a state of many, many
dedicated believers,

00:24:58.970 --> 00:25:01.200 align:middle line:84%
especially evangelical
believers.

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And Lord, we pray especially
tonight for Pat.

00:25:04.060 --> 00:25:06.490 align:middle line:84%
Robertson\'s efforts in Michigan
were propelled by the

00:25:06.490 --> 00:25:09.060 align:middle line:84%
Freedom Council, an organization
he founded in

00:25:09.060 --> 00:25:12.980 align:middle line:84%
1981 to bring Christians into
grassroots politics.

00:25:12.980 --> 00:25:14.990 align:middle line:84%
I got a notice from Pat
Robertson that they would be

00:25:14.990 --> 00:25:17.640 align:middle line:84%
having a luncheon with pastors,
and I didn\'t know my

00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:19.640 align:middle line:84%
seat was going to be put next to
Pat Robertson\'s and that I

00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:21.460 align:middle line:84%
was going to get to have a
one-on-one conversation with

00:25:21.460 --> 00:25:22.880 align:middle line:84%
someone I\'d only seen
on television.

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At the time, it was a very
exhilarating experience to

00:25:25.250 --> 00:25:26.700 align:middle line:90%
meet someone of his stature.

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And he talked very personally
to me about that vision that

00:25:29.690 --> 00:25:31.180 align:middle line:90%
he had for America.

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Most Christians had a total lack
of understanding of the

00:25:34.510 --> 00:25:37.230 align:middle line:84%
reasons why they should be
involved, be it at the

00:25:37.230 --> 00:25:38.800 align:middle line:90%
precinct level, school boards.

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They didn\'t vote.

00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:41.460 align:middle line:90%
Some of them felt--

00:25:41.460 --> 00:25:45.370 align:middle line:84%
in fact, the vast majority felt
the important thing was

00:25:45.370 --> 00:25:48.630 align:middle line:84%
to pray, stay home and pray, and
then let everyone else be

00:25:48.630 --> 00:25:51.510 align:middle line:84%
involved in the political
world.

00:25:51.510 --> 00:25:53.760 align:middle line:90%
America in the 1600s.

00:25:53.760 --> 00:25:55.470 align:middle line:90%
It was a jewel of a land.

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And to this land came a group
of people who had a great

00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:01.490 align:middle line:84%
vision, a vision of
freedom under God.

00:26:01.490 --> 00:26:04.650 align:middle line:84%
I recognize we must be cautious
in claiming that God

00:26:04.650 --> 00:26:08.750 align:middle line:84%
is on our side, but I think it\'s
all right to keep asking

00:26:08.750 --> 00:26:10.150 align:middle line:90%
if we\'re on His side.

00:26:10.150 --> 00:26:12.240 align:middle line:84%
We have to accept responsibility
for the

00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:16.400 align:middle line:84%
stranglehold of humanism
and its results.

00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:18.700 align:middle line:84%
In fact, while Christians have
been retreating from the civic

00:26:18.700 --> 00:26:21.630 align:middle line:84%
arena, other groups have
had dramatic impact.

00:26:21.630 --> 00:26:25.170 align:middle line:84%
The homosexuals, for example,
although they comprise only 2%

00:26:25.170 --> 00:26:28.220 align:middle line:84%
of this nation\'s population,
have turned one of America\'s

00:26:28.220 --> 00:26:29.960 align:middle line:90%
strongest mores upside down.

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Do you know how they did it?

00:26:31.530 --> 00:26:33.170 align:middle line:84%
They were committed
to their cause.

00:26:33.170 --> 00:26:34.315 align:middle line:90%
They were unified.

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And they used the political
system.

00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:39.720 align:middle line:84%
In the political party is an
important position that has

00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:42.220 align:middle line:84%
long been overlooked
by Christians.

00:26:42.220 --> 00:26:44.660 align:middle line:84%
It is called a precinct
delegate.

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The idea was, you\'re
a Christian.

00:26:47.060 --> 00:26:47.890 align:middle line:90%
You\'ve been silent.

00:26:47.890 --> 00:26:49.290 align:middle line:84%
Your values aren\'t
being represented

00:26:49.290 --> 00:26:50.230 align:middle line:90%
in the public arena.

00:26:50.230 --> 00:26:50.930 align:middle line:90%
This is a chance.

00:26:50.930 --> 00:26:51.800 align:middle line:90%
This is a baby step.

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This is a place where you
can get involved.

00:26:53.690 --> 00:26:55.390 align:middle line:84%
And not only that, but
you will have a say

00:26:55.390 --> 00:26:56.670 align:middle line:90%
in who will be president.

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No longer will we have to stand
outside this Capitol

00:26:59.250 --> 00:27:01.080 align:middle line:84%
building and complain,
but we will be

00:27:01.080 --> 00:27:02.300 align:middle line:90%
inside the Capitol building.

00:27:02.300 --> 00:27:03.797 align:middle line:90%
And that\'s the secret.

00:27:03.797 --> 00:27:05.793 align:middle line:84%
Won\'t you be a part
of what God is

00:27:05.793 --> 00:27:08.790 align:middle line:90%
doing to restore America?

00:27:08.790 --> 00:27:13.950 align:middle line:84%
There are 175,000 political
precincts in America, and my

00:27:13.950 --> 00:27:18.910 align:middle line:84%
goal was to have 10 trained
activists in each precinct.

00:27:18.910 --> 00:27:20.640 align:middle line:84%
I didn\'t know what
a precinct was.

00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:23.840 align:middle line:84%
I\'d never been at a party
meeting in my life.

00:27:23.840 --> 00:27:26.890 align:middle line:84%
But I cared about issues and I
cared about values and I cared

00:27:26.890 --> 00:27:28.330 align:middle line:90%
about our country.

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And so I came home and I went
to my church, and I asked my

00:27:31.450 --> 00:27:35.360 align:middle line:84%
pastor if I could have a 1 and
1/2 month sabbatical to go and

00:27:35.360 --> 00:27:36.760 align:middle line:90%
recruit precinct delegates.

00:27:36.760 --> 00:27:37.240 align:middle line:90%
What\'s that?

00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:39.870 align:middle line:84%
I don\'t know, but I\'m going
to go find out.

00:27:39.870 --> 00:27:42.090 align:middle line:84%
And so they granted me that
leave, and I went on staff

00:27:42.090 --> 00:27:42.920 align:middle line:90%
with the Freedom Council.

00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:47.640 align:middle line:84%
In that two month period, I
probably was in 40 or 50

00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:49.690 align:middle line:84%
churches throughout this county
and throughout the

00:27:49.690 --> 00:27:51.880 align:middle line:84%
mid-Michigan area and recruited
200 and something

00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:54.420 align:middle line:84%
people to file as precinct
delegates in May.

00:27:54.420 --> 00:27:57.430 align:middle line:84%
It was like mining gold for me
because one nugget led to

00:27:57.430 --> 00:27:59.500 align:middle line:84%
another, and one person
in one church would

00:27:59.500 --> 00:28:02.650 align:middle line:90%
know 20 other people.

00:28:02.650 --> 00:28:05.250 align:middle line:84%
Through the churches, we
pieced together what

00:28:05.250 --> 00:28:06.700 align:middle line:90%
Robertson was doing.

00:28:06.700 --> 00:28:09.460 align:middle line:84%
And I was on my way to Boston
with the Vice President

00:28:09.460 --> 00:28:10.430 align:middle line:90%
on Air Force Two.

00:28:10.430 --> 00:28:14.000 align:middle line:84%
He sat me down, he said, how
many precinct delegates is

00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:15.300 align:middle line:90%
Robertson going to have?

00:28:15.300 --> 00:28:16.800 align:middle line:84%
This was, I think,
the next week.

00:28:16.800 --> 00:28:19.350 align:middle line:84%
It was going to happen
the next week.

00:28:19.350 --> 00:28:23.830 align:middle line:84%
I was nervous about it, but I
said, well, I sent you a memo.

00:28:23.830 --> 00:28:25.690 align:middle line:84%
It was already, it was already--
it was too late.

00:28:25.690 --> 00:28:27.150 align:middle line:90%
I said, I sent you a memo.

00:28:27.150 --> 00:28:27.930 align:middle line:90%
You\'ll be getting it soon.

00:28:27.930 --> 00:28:29.800 align:middle line:90%
He\'s going to have 5,000.

00:28:29.800 --> 00:28:33.110 align:middle line:90%
And Bush said, 5,000?

00:28:33.110 --> 00:28:35.420 align:middle line:90%
He says, Atwater tells me 500.

00:28:35.420 --> 00:28:38.400 align:middle line:84%
Marlene how many of these
delegate candidates does your

00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:41.600 align:middle line:84%
organization have, and how
do you feel about that?

00:28:41.600 --> 00:28:43.090 align:middle line:84%
Well, first of all, we think
it\'s phenomenal.

00:28:43.090 --> 00:28:47.060 align:middle line:84%
But our count is 4,500
right now.

00:28:47.060 --> 00:28:50.100 align:middle line:84%
We did a very thorough job at
the grassroots level, so we

00:28:50.100 --> 00:28:52.730 align:middle line:84%
know that the people that we\'ve
identified are truly

00:28:52.730 --> 00:28:54.950 align:middle line:90%
Freedom Council candidates.

00:28:54.950 --> 00:28:58.330 align:middle line:84%
It means that a whole new group
of people are going to

00:28:58.330 --> 00:28:59.992 align:middle line:84%
be involved in the political
arena in

00:28:59.992 --> 00:29:01.060 align:middle line:90%
the state of Michigan.

00:29:01.060 --> 00:29:04.610 align:middle line:84%
The theory now was, yes, an
organization like Pat

00:29:04.610 --> 00:29:07.550 align:middle line:84%
Robertson with a tight-knit
group of evangelicals can file

00:29:07.550 --> 00:29:10.960 align:middle line:84%
precinct delegates, where no
one else would file them.

00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:12.250 align:middle line:90%
But they can\'t get elected.

00:29:12.250 --> 00:29:13.920 align:middle line:84%
When they go head to head
with our people,

00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:14.920 align:middle line:90%
they won\'t be elected.

00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:19.090 align:middle line:84%
Tuesday, August 5 is going to
be one of the most important

00:29:19.090 --> 00:29:22.170 align:middle line:84%
days in the life of Michigan,
one of the most important days

00:29:22.170 --> 00:29:23.600 align:middle line:84%
in America, and one of
the most important

00:29:23.600 --> 00:29:24.960 align:middle line:90%
days in your lives.

00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:29.350 align:middle line:84%
Those of you who have already
filed as precinct delegates,

00:29:29.350 --> 00:29:32.380 align:middle line:84%
we want you to go out into your
neighborhood, you know,

00:29:32.380 --> 00:29:34.870 align:middle line:84%
just the folks around you, the
people that\'s your neighbors.

00:29:34.870 --> 00:29:35.920 align:middle line:90%
Some of them you may not know.

00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:37.330 align:middle line:84%
Some of them you may
be old friends.

00:29:37.330 --> 00:29:38.840 align:middle line:90%
Hi Sam, is your mom home?

00:29:38.840 --> 00:29:41.850 align:middle line:84%
But I want you to go
door-to-door and take little

00:29:41.850 --> 00:29:43.250 align:middle line:90%
three-by-five cards.

00:29:43.250 --> 00:29:46.070 align:middle line:84%
Knock on the door, introduce
yourself, and say, I want to

00:29:46.070 --> 00:29:48.430 align:middle line:84%
be the precinct delegate for
this precinct in the

00:29:48.430 --> 00:29:51.310 align:middle line:84%
Republican Party to
represent you.

00:29:51.310 --> 00:29:52.460 align:middle line:90%
I want to be your servant.

00:29:52.460 --> 00:29:53.440 align:middle line:90%
I want to serve you.

00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:54.480 align:middle line:90%
And I want to help you.

00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.410 align:middle line:84%
And we\'re running for
precinct delegate.

00:29:56.410 --> 00:29:58.080 align:middle line:84%
Maybe you could just
give her this card.

00:29:58.080 --> 00:29:58.980 align:middle line:90%
Appreciate your vote.

00:29:58.980 --> 00:29:59.350 align:middle line:90%
Sure.

00:29:59.350 --> 00:30:00.280 align:middle line:90%
OK.

00:30:00.280 --> 00:30:00.800 align:middle line:90%
Thanks.

00:30:00.800 --> 00:30:02.080 align:middle line:90%
Paranoia develops.

00:30:02.080 --> 00:30:04.780 align:middle line:84%
We had this vision that these
people were coming after us.

00:30:04.780 --> 00:30:07.445 align:middle line:84%
You know, the invasion of the
ants, they were coming.

00:30:07.445 --> 00:30:08.115 align:middle line:90%
They were everywhere.

00:30:08.115 --> 00:30:16.360 align:middle line:90%
[SINGING]

00:30:16.360 --> 00:30:18.890 align:middle line:84%
What prompted you to get
involved this time?

00:30:18.890 --> 00:30:22.580 align:middle line:84%
I went to a friend\'s home who
showed a videotape of the

00:30:22.580 --> 00:30:26.120 align:middle line:84%
Freedom Council, and I just
really believe in

00:30:26.120 --> 00:30:27.090 align:middle line:90%
what they stand for.

00:30:27.090 --> 00:30:29.350 align:middle line:84%
And so I was encouraged
to do it then.

00:30:29.350 --> 00:30:33.260 align:middle line:84%
I believe it\'s actually a move
of God, a move of the Holy

00:30:33.260 --> 00:30:34.650 align:middle line:90%
Spirit in this nation.

00:30:34.650 --> 00:30:36.070 align:middle line:90%
It\'s not just Pat Robertson.

00:30:36.070 --> 00:30:39.290 align:middle line:84%
I believe God is using Pat
Robertson as a key individual.

00:30:39.290 --> 00:30:42.330 align:middle line:84%
But this is a lot bigger than
Pat Robertson himself.

00:30:42.330 --> 00:30:44.090 align:middle line:84%
A lot of these people in
Michigan felt they were

00:30:44.090 --> 00:30:46.170 align:middle line:90%
working for God.

00:30:46.170 --> 00:30:48.090 align:middle line:84%
And if I was on the other
side, who was I

00:30:48.090 --> 00:30:49.280 align:middle line:90%
really working for?

00:30:49.280 --> 00:30:55.320 align:middle line:84%
We command you to stop where
you are and move Northeast,

00:30:55.320 --> 00:30:58.600 align:middle line:84%
away from land and
away from harm.

00:30:58.600 --> 00:31:02.920 align:middle line:84%
In the name of Jesus of
Nazareth, we command it.

00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:05.290 align:middle line:84%
The night before that hurricane
was due to hit

00:31:05.290 --> 00:31:07.650 align:middle line:84%
Norfolk, I was on my knees
saying, Lord, this is

00:31:07.650 --> 00:31:12.370 align:middle line:84%
absolutely vital, and I\'ve got
to see something with this.

00:31:12.370 --> 00:31:15.370 align:middle line:84%
And sure enough, He moved that
hurricane out to sea.

00:31:15.370 --> 00:31:18.410 align:middle line:84%
I felt that if I couldn\'t move
a hurricane, I could hardly

00:31:18.410 --> 00:31:19.270 align:middle line:90%
move a nation.

00:31:19.270 --> 00:31:23.880 align:middle line:84%
We had had candidates who took
positions on Vietnam and

00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.540 align:middle line:84%
abortion, and candidates who
took on public schools and

00:31:26.540 --> 00:31:27.600 align:middle line:90%
charter schools.

00:31:27.600 --> 00:31:29.900 align:middle line:84%
But we never had one that said
he could move a hurricane.

00:31:29.900 --> 00:31:32.200 align:middle line:84%
So they\'re right to be
a little uneasy.

00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:34.040 align:middle line:90%
Oh, yes, yes.

00:31:34.040 --> 00:31:35.880 align:middle line:84%
There\'s two kingdoms in
operation here, the kingdom of

00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:37.370 align:middle line:84%
God and the kingdom
of darkness.

00:31:37.370 --> 00:31:39.390 align:middle line:84%
And I believe Satan and his
kingdom-- they\'re shaking

00:31:39.390 --> 00:31:40.940 align:middle line:84%
right now because Christians
are realizing

00:31:40.940 --> 00:31:42.250 align:middle line:90%
who they are in God.

00:31:42.250 --> 00:31:45.670 align:middle line:84%
They\'re rising up, and they\'re
beginning to believe it.

00:31:45.670 --> 00:31:48.240 align:middle line:84%
Greater is he who is in us
than who is in the world.

00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:49.940 align:middle line:84%
And so they have a right
to be frightened.

00:31:49.940 --> 00:31:51.750 align:middle line:84%
They\'re going to be
defeated, too.

00:31:51.750 --> 00:32:08.910 align:middle line:90%
[SINGING]

00:32:08.910 --> 00:32:12.740 align:middle line:84%
You are going to change
this country.

00:32:12.740 --> 00:32:14.290 align:middle line:84%
Now that\'s a big
responsibility.

00:32:14.290 --> 00:32:17.110 align:middle line:84%
You see, here we are in
Turkeyville, and you\'re

00:32:17.110 --> 00:32:17.730 align:middle line:90%
killing me.

00:32:17.730 --> 00:32:20.600 align:middle line:84%
The whole country is
looking to me?

00:32:20.600 --> 00:32:21.740 align:middle line:90%
Well, they are.

00:32:21.740 --> 00:32:23.222 align:middle line:90%
[MUSIC PLAYING]

00:32:23.222 --> 00:32:27.174 align:middle line:90%
[CHATTERING]

00:32:27.174 --> 00:32:28.656 align:middle line:90%
Will you?

00:32:28.656 --> 00:32:30.138 align:middle line:90%
[INAUDIBLE].

00:32:30.138 --> 00:32:31.126 align:middle line:90%
All right.

00:32:31.126 --> 00:32:33.266 align:middle line:84%
I just have to call you Pat
because you\'re in my living

00:32:33.266 --> 00:32:34.584 align:middle line:90%
room so often.

00:32:34.584 --> 00:32:35.572 align:middle line:90%
That\'s right.

00:32:35.572 --> 00:32:36.560 align:middle line:90%
Everyday.

00:32:36.560 --> 00:32:38.536 align:middle line:84%
Well, I\'m counting
on all of you.

00:32:38.536 --> 00:32:40.018 align:middle line:84%
This is-- good luck
to all of you.

00:32:40.018 --> 00:32:42.488 align:middle line:84%
They said I\'ve got another
meeting I\'ve got to go to.

00:32:42.488 --> 00:32:44.464 align:middle line:90%
But thank you.

00:32:44.464 --> 00:32:44.958 align:middle line:90%
All right.

00:32:44.958 --> 00:32:45.946 align:middle line:90%
Way to go this year.

00:32:45.946 --> 00:32:46.934 align:middle line:90%
Thank you.

00:32:46.934 --> 00:32:48.184 align:middle line:90%
All right.

00:32:48.184 --> 00:32:51.890 align:middle line:90%

00:32:51.890 --> 00:32:53.940 align:middle line:84%
First he asked, what\'s going
on up in Michigan?

00:32:53.940 --> 00:32:57.550 align:middle line:84%
I said, boy, everybody I talk
in the evangelical community

00:32:57.550 --> 00:32:58.795 align:middle line:90%
is supporting Robertson.

00:32:58.795 --> 00:33:00.370 align:middle line:84%
They\'re just falling
into line.

00:33:00.370 --> 00:33:01.910 align:middle line:84%
He says, I can\'t
get over this.

00:33:01.910 --> 00:33:04.730 align:middle line:84%
He says, I haven\'t met
a single person who

00:33:04.730 --> 00:33:05.820 align:middle line:90%
supports Pat Robertson.

00:33:05.820 --> 00:33:06.990 align:middle line:90%
I can\'t figure it out.

00:33:06.990 --> 00:33:09.950 align:middle line:84%
I said, I can\'t figure it out
either, Mr. Vice President.

00:33:09.950 --> 00:33:11.920 align:middle line:90%
But they\'re out there.

00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:14.470 align:middle line:84%
Some have described it like
a snowball coming down a

00:33:14.470 --> 00:33:15.010 align:middle line:90%
mountainside.

00:33:15.010 --> 00:33:16.820 align:middle line:84%
There was no way they were
going to stop us.

00:33:16.820 --> 00:33:20.440 align:middle line:84%
Well, the election happened,
and Robertson did beat us.

00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.970 align:middle line:84%
When we announced that we had
won, of course, it was a lie.

00:33:23.970 --> 00:33:26.850 align:middle line:84%
Among rank-and-file Republicans,
Vice President

00:33:26.850 --> 00:33:29.200 align:middle line:84%
Bush\'s support is a mile
wide and a mile deep.

00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.490 align:middle line:84%
Although the final, undisputed
results may not be available

00:33:32.490 --> 00:33:36.370 align:middle line:84%
for a few days, NBC News exit
polls suggest that Michigan

00:33:36.370 --> 00:33:40.450 align:middle line:84%
will be a big boost for Vice
President George Bush.

00:33:40.450 --> 00:33:42.470 align:middle line:90%
And the media bought it.

00:33:42.470 --> 00:33:43.187 align:middle line:90%
They reported it.

00:33:43.187 --> 00:33:44.090 align:middle line:90%
They accepted it.

00:33:44.090 --> 00:33:45.110 align:middle line:90%
They didn\'t like Robertson.

00:33:45.110 --> 00:33:46.890 align:middle line:90%
They didn\'t like evangelicals.

00:33:46.890 --> 00:33:47.730 align:middle line:90%
They liked us.

00:33:47.730 --> 00:33:48.750 align:middle line:90%
Lee is a charmer.

00:33:48.750 --> 00:33:50.640 align:middle line:90%
I mean, he\'s a charmer.

00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:52.090 align:middle line:90%
They needed him.

00:33:52.090 --> 00:33:53.810 align:middle line:84%
He\'s going to be a friend
of the future president.

00:33:53.810 --> 00:33:54.890 align:middle line:90%
He\'s a good source.

00:33:54.890 --> 00:33:57.260 align:middle line:90%
They wrote our story.

00:33:57.260 --> 00:34:02.300 align:middle line:84%
But it\'s one thing to lie to the
American media, something

00:34:02.300 --> 00:34:04.140 align:middle line:90%
else to lie to yourself.

00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:07.250 align:middle line:84%
It was important for us,
internally in the campaign, to

00:34:07.250 --> 00:34:09.940 align:middle line:90%
realize we lost.

00:34:09.940 --> 00:34:10.715 align:middle line:90%
We didn\'t win.

00:34:10.715 --> 00:34:12.048 align:middle line:90%
We lost.

00:34:12.048 --> 00:34:21.510 align:middle line:90%
[CHEERING]

00:34:21.510 --> 00:34:23.253 align:middle line:84%
--wonder why Jim Bakker\'s
on television,

00:34:23.253 --> 00:34:26.490 align:middle line:90%
you modernist creatures?

00:34:26.490 --> 00:34:29.478 align:middle line:90%
It\'s your fault I\'m on TV.

00:34:29.478 --> 00:34:32.964 align:middle line:84%
God hath raised up a boy from
Muskegon, Michigan.

00:34:32.964 --> 00:34:36.450 align:middle line:84%
And put his annointed on him
because the modernists refuse

00:34:36.450 --> 00:34:37.446 align:middle line:90%
to praise God.

00:34:37.446 --> 00:34:40.806 align:middle line:84%
They got so calm and cozy in
their church, and no one ever

00:34:40.806 --> 00:34:43.920 align:middle line:90%
praises God.

00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:45.414 align:middle line:84%
If you\'re a churchgoer,
praise God.

00:34:45.414 --> 00:34:47.904 align:middle line:84%
And we got to do it
on television.

00:34:47.904 --> 00:34:49.398 align:middle line:90%
Come on, choir, sing it.

00:34:49.398 --> 00:34:53.880 align:middle line:84%
Come on, people, where\'s
your Lord?

00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:56.868 align:middle line:90%
You all ready?

00:34:56.868 --> 00:34:59.475 align:middle line:84%
When I actually first recall
hearing about the PTL/Jim

00:34:59.475 --> 00:35:03.560 align:middle line:84%
Bakker scandal, we were on the
campaign trail somewhere.

00:35:03.560 --> 00:35:06.240 align:middle line:84%
We were kind of holding our
breath because we didn\'t

00:35:06.240 --> 00:35:07.270 align:middle line:90%
really know the details.

00:35:07.270 --> 00:35:08.300 align:middle line:90%
We just knew it wasn\'t good.

00:35:08.300 --> 00:35:12.960 align:middle line:84%
From this moment on, the PTL
Television Network plans to

00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:21.690 align:middle line:84%
broadcast television and radio
nonstop, 24 hours a day, until

00:35:21.690 --> 00:35:23.650 align:middle line:84%
the same coming of
Jesus Christ.

00:35:23.650 --> 00:35:26.190 align:middle line:84%
I grew up where the camp meeting
grounds had holes in

00:35:26.190 --> 00:35:28.440 align:middle line:84%
the screens and yellow
mattresses.

00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:30.750 align:middle line:84%
And I wanted to do something
wonderful for

00:35:30.750 --> 00:35:31.645 align:middle line:90%
the Christian people.

00:35:31.645 --> 00:35:37.860 align:middle line:90%
[MUSIC PLAYING]

00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:40.300 align:middle line:84%
It\'s just a little
corner of heaven.

00:35:40.300 --> 00:35:42.510 align:middle line:84%
And if heaven\'s like this,
I don\'t want to miss it.

00:35:42.510 --> 00:35:50.010 align:middle line:90%
[MUSIC PLAYING]

00:35:50.010 --> 00:35:53.960 align:middle line:84%
Do you know the older you get,
the closer you get to your

00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:56.070 align:middle line:90%
final ultimate destiny?

00:35:56.070 --> 00:35:59.020 align:middle line:84%
Do you realize that somebody
in your family doesn\'t have

00:35:59.020 --> 00:36:00.540 align:middle line:90%
very long to live?

00:36:00.540 --> 00:36:03.740 align:middle line:84%
You really don\'t want to see
Madonna on television.

00:36:03.740 --> 00:36:06.380 align:middle line:84%
You\'re not interested in
watching Michael Jackson.

00:36:06.380 --> 00:36:09.420 align:middle line:84%
You want to see something that
tells you about the hereafter.

00:36:09.420 --> 00:36:11.040 align:middle line:90%
Where will you spend eternity?

00:36:11.040 --> 00:36:13.860 align:middle line:84%
And when you really give to
Jesus, you cannot lose your

00:36:13.860 --> 00:36:14.570 align:middle line:90%
money, honey.

00:36:14.570 --> 00:36:15.950 align:middle line:90%
You\'re investing for eternity.

00:36:15.950 --> 00:36:18.373 align:middle line:90%
Praise God, $1,000.

00:36:18.373 --> 00:36:21.780 align:middle line:84%
There\'s another one, first
time, $5 a month.

00:36:21.780 --> 00:36:23.900 align:middle line:84%
The $9 million we need-- let\'s
just round it up because my

00:36:23.900 --> 00:36:25.370 align:middle line:90%
math is not real good--

00:36:25.370 --> 00:36:28.245 align:middle line:84%
we\'ll just round it, $10 million
to finish the grand.

00:36:28.245 --> 00:36:29.215 align:middle line:90%
[APPLAUSE]

00:36:29.215 --> 00:36:31.155 align:middle line:90%
We\'ve come this far by faith.

00:36:31.155 --> 00:36:34.065 align:middle line:84%
Why can\'t we finish it
and see America?

00:36:34.065 --> 00:36:36.010 align:middle line:90%
Oh, hallelujah.

00:36:36.010 --> 00:36:39.060 align:middle line:84%
The PTL, the Praise the Lord
ministry, rocked by scandal

00:36:39.060 --> 00:36:41.310 align:middle line:84%
and the resignation of Jim
and Tammy Faye Bakker--

00:36:41.310 --> 00:36:44.170 align:middle line:84%
As for Jessica Hahn, the woman
Jim Bakker had sex with in

00:36:44.170 --> 00:36:47.240 align:middle line:84%
1980, she has reportedly been
getting an average of $1,000 a

00:36:47.240 --> 00:36:50.390 align:middle line:84%
month from a trust fund set up
for her by someone at PTL.

00:36:50.390 --> 00:36:51.330 align:middle line:90%
I admitted--

00:36:51.330 --> 00:36:51.800 align:middle line:90%
The first time.

00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:55.440 align:middle line:84%
--that I\'ve had a 15
to 20 minute--

00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:56.110 align:middle line:90%
--relationship--

00:36:56.110 --> 00:36:59.140 align:middle line:84%
--relationship with
Jessica Hahn.

00:36:59.140 --> 00:37:03.175 align:middle line:84%
Gary Smith told how that
Reverend Bakker, in the nude

00:37:03.175 --> 00:37:06.680 align:middle line:90%
at PTL, seduced him.

00:37:06.680 --> 00:37:09.690 align:middle line:84%
I\'ve been married to this man
for 26 years, and I can tell

00:37:09.690 --> 00:37:10.330 align:middle line:90%
you one thing.

00:37:10.330 --> 00:37:13.480 align:middle line:84%
He\'s not homosexual
or is he bisexual.

00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:14.000 align:middle line:90%
Whew.

00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:14.580 align:middle line:90%
What a mess.

00:37:14.580 --> 00:37:17.350 align:middle line:84%
The nation was caught up, the
white evangelical nation, was

00:37:17.350 --> 00:37:20.700 align:middle line:84%
caught up in sex, sex, sex,
sex, sex, sex, sex, sex,

00:37:20.700 --> 00:37:23.350 align:middle line:84%
National credibility for the
cause of Christ, in my

00:37:23.350 --> 00:37:26.430 align:middle line:84%
opinion, is at an
all-time low.

00:37:26.430 --> 00:37:31.680 align:middle line:84%
I don\'t ever remember a time
when people driving trucks,

00:37:31.680 --> 00:37:36.970 align:middle line:84%
talking on CBs, sitting in
restaurants, were having such

00:37:36.970 --> 00:37:39.280 align:middle line:84%
a heyday ridiculing all
that is Christian.

00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:42.590 align:middle line:84%
Jerry Falwell\'s annual budget
is $100 million.

00:37:42.590 --> 00:37:44.890 align:middle line:84%
Jimmy Swaggart\'s,
$140 million.

00:37:44.890 --> 00:37:47.170 align:middle line:90%
Jim Bakker\'s was $100 million.

00:37:47.170 --> 00:37:49.810 align:middle line:90%
Pat Robertson\'s, $190 million.

00:37:49.810 --> 00:37:51.400 align:middle line:90%
The totals are enormous.

00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:53.010 align:middle line:90%
We had to fight it for months.

00:37:53.010 --> 00:37:57.880 align:middle line:84%
We had to fight the temptation
to assume that, because Pat

00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:04.500 align:middle line:84%
was in the same industry, he was
also guilty of any of or

00:38:04.500 --> 00:38:05.255 align:middle line:90%
all of the above.

00:38:05.255 --> 00:38:08.970 align:middle line:84%
Have you become involved with
PTL and the [INAUDIBLE]?

00:38:08.970 --> 00:38:10.300 align:middle line:84%
No, I have nothing
to do with that.

00:38:10.300 --> 00:38:14.440 align:middle line:84%
How much money were you paid
in salary, in bonuses, in

00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:16.930 align:middle line:90%
dividends, in royalties?

00:38:16.930 --> 00:38:17.180 align:middle line:90%
No idea?

00:38:17.180 --> 00:38:18.460 align:middle line:90%
You\'re shrugging, Ms. Bakker.

00:38:18.460 --> 00:38:19.710 align:middle line:90%
You don\'t know?

00:38:19.710 --> 00:38:21.880 align:middle line:90%

00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:23.340 align:middle line:90%
I do not have the exact figure.

00:38:23.340 --> 00:38:23.765 align:middle line:90%
Not exact?

00:38:23.765 --> 00:38:24.940 align:middle line:90%
Roughly--

00:38:24.940 --> 00:38:26.500 align:middle line:90%
I would say roughly--

00:38:26.500 --> 00:38:28.880 align:middle line:90%
It\'s just that the media needed

00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:30.000 align:middle line:90%
something during that time.

00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:33.640 align:middle line:84%
And like OJ Simpson, which is
another non-media worthy

00:38:33.640 --> 00:38:37.230 align:middle line:84%
event, I mean to the proportion
it\'s been covered,

00:38:37.230 --> 00:38:40.120 align:middle line:84%
it was given that
mega-coverage.

00:38:40.120 --> 00:38:45.960 align:middle line:84%
I think that the media thought,
and the humanists

00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:50.960 align:middle line:84%
thought, that this is the time,
this is the moment of

00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.290 align:middle line:84%
getting rid of religion,
period.

00:38:53.290 --> 00:38:55.940 align:middle line:84%
It\'s been a long evening,
I\'m sure, for you.

00:38:55.940 --> 00:38:57.690 align:middle line:84%
I\'m grateful to you for
coming on and--

00:38:57.690 --> 00:38:58.925 align:middle line:90%
Ted, can I say something?

00:38:58.925 --> 00:38:59.270 align:middle line:90%
Sure.

00:38:59.270 --> 00:39:02.740 align:middle line:84%
I just want to say, remember,
God loves you.

00:39:02.740 --> 00:39:04.070 align:middle line:90%
He really, really does.

00:39:04.070 --> 00:39:05.460 align:middle line:90%
I want to say that, too.

00:39:05.460 --> 00:39:06.820 align:middle line:90%
God loves you.

00:39:06.820 --> 00:39:07.850 align:middle line:90%
He really, really does.

00:39:07.850 --> 00:39:11.020 align:middle line:84%
Bakker was sentenced to 45 years
in prison for defrauding

00:39:11.020 --> 00:39:14.460 align:middle line:90%
his followers of $158 million.

00:39:14.460 --> 00:39:17.410 align:middle line:84%
Every question then became,
what about the scandal?

00:39:17.410 --> 00:39:19.590 align:middle line:90%
What about Jim Bakker?

00:39:19.590 --> 00:39:21.730 align:middle line:84%
When Jim Bakker worked for
you, was he a crook?

00:39:21.730 --> 00:39:24.290 align:middle line:84%
You know, all of these things
that had nothing to do with

00:39:24.290 --> 00:39:25.860 align:middle line:84%
Pat\'s idea for education
reform.

00:39:25.860 --> 00:39:27.750 align:middle line:90%
I know that Pat Robertson--

00:39:27.750 --> 00:39:31.130 align:middle line:84%
I had been with him long enough
to know the integrity

00:39:31.130 --> 00:39:32.090 align:middle line:90%
of this individual.

00:39:32.090 --> 00:39:34.790 align:middle line:84%
And therefore, I felt it was
important for us to separate

00:39:34.790 --> 00:39:36.867 align:middle line:84%
ourselves from those
gentlemen.

00:39:36.867 --> 00:39:40.280 align:middle line:90%
[CHANTING]

00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:42.450 align:middle line:84%
Here\'s a preacher running
for president.

00:39:42.450 --> 00:39:44.790 align:middle line:90%
[CHANTING]

00:39:44.790 --> 00:39:48.130 align:middle line:84%
And here\'s another preacher
running for president.

00:39:48.130 --> 00:39:51.990 align:middle line:84%
But recent polls show that 55%
of Americans think putting a

00:39:51.990 --> 00:39:55.520 align:middle line:84%
clergyman in the White
House is a bad idea.

00:39:55.520 --> 00:39:58.750 align:middle line:84%
We did do the focus groups, and
it was very enlightening.

00:39:58.750 --> 00:40:01.806 align:middle line:84%
We showed a tape of Pat,
actually from the 700 Club.

00:40:01.806 --> 00:40:06.030 align:middle line:84%
And one guy looked at it and
said, well, gosh, every time

00:40:06.030 --> 00:40:09.660 align:middle line:84%
I\'ve seen him, he\'s sweating and
marching across the stage

00:40:09.660 --> 00:40:11.440 align:middle line:90%
and got that handkerchief.

00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:14.540 align:middle line:84%
And I\'m thinking, aha, he thinks
he\'s Jimmy Swaggart.

00:40:14.540 --> 00:40:19.190 align:middle line:84%
He considered himself a
television broadcaster and a

00:40:19.190 --> 00:40:20.810 align:middle line:90%
businessman.

00:40:20.810 --> 00:40:24.650 align:middle line:84%
And finally, there was enough
pressure that he asked me to

00:40:24.650 --> 00:40:28.860 align:middle line:84%
call some of the major leaders
in the Christian world and

00:40:28.860 --> 00:40:33.000 align:middle line:84%
say, what do you think about Pat
resigning his ordination?

00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:36.070 align:middle line:84%
This was probably halfway
through the campaign.

00:40:36.070 --> 00:40:38.190 align:middle line:84%
Well, their answer was
almost unanimous.

00:40:38.190 --> 00:40:40.210 align:middle line:84%
That\'s between Pat
and his God.

00:40:40.210 --> 00:40:44.840 align:middle line:84%
I didn\'t want to give even the
slightest signal that I wanted

00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:48.050 align:middle line:84%
to blur the distinctions between
church and state, and

00:40:48.050 --> 00:40:50.270 align:middle line:84%
that\'s the reason I resigned
my ordination.

00:40:50.270 --> 00:40:53.920 align:middle line:84%
I wanted to go before the
American people as Pat

00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:58.060 align:middle line:84%
Robertson, citizen, not the
Reverend Pat Robertson.

00:40:58.060 --> 00:41:01.270 align:middle line:84%
I do not know of any Baptist
congregation anywhere which

00:41:01.270 --> 00:41:03.440 align:middle line:84%
had ever been asked to terminate
an ordination.

00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:05.810 align:middle line:84%
Why should anyone have to resign
their ordination to

00:41:05.810 --> 00:41:07.100 align:middle line:84%
hold any position
in public life?

00:41:07.100 --> 00:41:08.740 align:middle line:90%
I think that\'s ridiculous.

00:41:08.740 --> 00:41:13.090 align:middle line:84%
I did feel it would enhance
his chance to be elected

00:41:13.090 --> 00:41:17.800 align:middle line:84%
because I think that that
preacher business stood as a

00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:20.580 align:middle line:84%
barricade in front of him
for a lot of people.

00:41:20.580 --> 00:41:25.840 align:middle line:84%
There were ordained ministers
who signed the Declaration of

00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:28.260 align:middle line:90%
Independence.

00:41:28.260 --> 00:41:32.890 align:middle line:84%
Being ordained does not
disqualify anyone from being

00:41:32.890 --> 00:41:34.560 align:middle line:90%
an active political candidate.

00:41:34.560 --> 00:41:38.380 align:middle line:84%
We had the strange contrast
of another candidate for

00:41:38.380 --> 00:41:41.390 align:middle line:84%
president in that same year,
the Reverend Jesse Jackson,

00:41:41.390 --> 00:41:45.880 align:middle line:84%
who did not feel any compulsion
to terminate his

00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:46.900 align:middle line:90%
ordination.

00:41:46.900 --> 00:41:50.100 align:middle line:84%
Had he been of the different
faith-- if he possibly was an

00:41:50.100 --> 00:41:53.930 align:middle line:84%
Episcopalian or a Lutheran, it
may not have made such a

00:41:53.930 --> 00:41:54.520 align:middle line:90%
difference.

00:41:54.520 --> 00:41:57.520 align:middle line:84%
People were not going to vote
for John Kennedy because he

00:41:57.520 --> 00:41:59.130 align:middle line:90%
was a Roman Catholic.

00:41:59.130 --> 00:42:00.630 align:middle line:84%
People are saying they
won\'t vote for

00:42:00.630 --> 00:42:01.990 align:middle line:90%
me because of religion.

00:42:01.990 --> 00:42:03.920 align:middle line:84%
We studied what Kennedy
had done.

00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:08.060 align:middle line:84%
I probably could recite you
today the speech that he made

00:42:08.060 --> 00:42:11.530 align:middle line:84%
to that convention in Houston,
where Kennedy addressed-- he

00:42:11.530 --> 00:42:13.260 align:middle line:90%
took it head on.

00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:15.020 align:middle line:84%
We basically had to
do the same thing.

00:42:15.020 --> 00:42:17.380 align:middle line:84%
And so we said, my goodness,
it\'s right in front of us.

00:42:17.380 --> 00:42:20.460 align:middle line:90%
John F. Kennedy is the answer.

00:42:20.460 --> 00:42:22.510 align:middle line:84%
And certainly in Iowa,
John F. Kennedy

00:42:22.510 --> 00:42:25.380 align:middle line:90%
was a popular president.

00:42:25.380 --> 00:42:28.440 align:middle line:84%
Pat Robertson is rolling across
Iowa in a caravan of

00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:32.570 align:middle line:84%
buses that will make 27 stops
over the next two days.

00:42:32.570 --> 00:42:35.740 align:middle line:84%
But this is no backwater, tent
evangelist operation.

00:42:35.740 --> 00:42:38.540 align:middle line:84%
This is a tour choreographed
by a former New York

00:42:38.540 --> 00:42:40.010 align:middle line:90%
advertising executive.

00:42:40.010 --> 00:42:44.204 align:middle line:84%
Pat Robertson will be appearing
in DeWitt at 9:45.

00:42:44.204 --> 00:42:45.005 align:middle line:90%
Come on, now.

00:42:45.005 --> 00:42:46.648 align:middle line:84%
It\'s early in the morning,
and we can do it.

00:42:46.648 --> 00:42:47.084 align:middle line:90%
You ready?

00:42:47.084 --> 00:42:48.262 align:middle line:90%
Go Pat.

00:42:48.262 --> 00:42:49.500 align:middle line:90%
Go Pat.

00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:51.500 align:middle line:84%
You knew something
was going on.

00:42:51.500 --> 00:42:52.410 align:middle line:90%
You could just feel it.

00:42:52.410 --> 00:42:55.240 align:middle line:84%
You knew that these guys were
going to go out in the cold,

00:42:55.240 --> 00:42:58.220 align:middle line:84%
in the snow, in any kind of
weather, under any sorts of

00:42:58.220 --> 00:42:59.800 align:middle line:84%
circumstances to make
their point.

00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:03.090 align:middle line:84%
The Republicans in the 18th
Precinct in Cedar Rapids got

00:43:03.090 --> 00:43:04.600 align:middle line:84%
right down to business
tonight.

00:43:04.600 --> 00:43:07.010 align:middle line:90%
92, 93, 94--

00:43:07.010 --> 00:43:10.140 align:middle line:90%
Bush, 44.

00:43:10.140 --> 00:43:12.550 align:middle line:90%
Dole, 65.

00:43:12.550 --> 00:43:14.280 align:middle line:90%
Robertson, 53.

00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:14.575 align:middle line:90%
All right.

00:43:14.575 --> 00:43:17.134 align:middle line:90%
[CHEERING]

00:43:17.134 --> 00:43:23.110 align:middle line:90%
[CHANTING]

00:43:23.110 --> 00:43:24.604 align:middle line:90%
We\'re on NBC now.

00:43:24.604 --> 00:43:26.098 align:middle line:90%
We\'ll have a [INAUDIBLE].

00:43:26.098 --> 00:43:26.596 align:middle line:90%
Thank you.

00:43:26.596 --> 00:43:27.592 align:middle line:90%
It was wonderful.

00:43:27.592 --> 00:43:29.650 align:middle line:90%
I don\'t have to tell you.

00:43:29.650 --> 00:43:32.070 align:middle line:84%
Probably the most stunning story
of the evening, however,

00:43:32.070 --> 00:43:34.680 align:middle line:84%
so far, is that strong second
place showing on the

00:43:34.680 --> 00:43:36.725 align:middle line:84%
Republican side of
Pat Robertson.

00:43:36.725 --> 00:43:38.880 align:middle line:90%
Mr. Robertson, congratulations.

00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:39.730 align:middle line:90%
Thank you, Tom.

00:43:39.730 --> 00:43:42.820 align:middle line:84%
I\'m overjoyed at this expression
of love and support

00:43:42.820 --> 00:43:44.040 align:middle line:90%
from the people here in Iowa.

00:43:44.040 --> 00:43:46.100 align:middle line:84%
When you were a television
evangelist, you often said

00:43:46.100 --> 00:43:49.140 align:middle line:84%
that you had God\'s advice on
specific decisions that you

00:43:49.140 --> 00:43:50.070 align:middle line:90%
had to make.

00:43:50.070 --> 00:43:52.820 align:middle line:84%
Do you get his advice as well
on specific political

00:43:52.820 --> 00:43:53.850 align:middle line:90%
decisions and how does that--

00:43:53.850 --> 00:43:56.290 align:middle line:84%
I\'d like to point out to you,
if you don\'t mind, I think

00:43:56.290 --> 00:43:58.360 align:middle line:84%
it\'s the last time that I want
to be called a television

00:43:58.360 --> 00:43:58.800 align:middle line:90%
evangelist.

00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:00.150 align:middle line:90%
I\'ve been a TV broadcaster.

00:44:00.150 --> 00:44:03.900 align:middle line:84%
I run the fifth-largest cable
network in America, and I\'m on

00:44:03.900 --> 00:44:08.810 align:middle line:84%
37 million households with
cable, which rivals a lot of

00:44:08.810 --> 00:44:10.880 align:middle line:90%
the so-called big boys.

00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:14.130 align:middle line:84%
And because I am a religious
broadcaster, I have talked to

00:44:14.130 --> 00:44:16.330 align:middle line:90%
people on major issues.

00:44:16.330 --> 00:44:17.720 align:middle line:84%
That\'s why they have
given me this

00:44:17.720 --> 00:44:19.510 align:middle line:90%
tremendous victory in Iowa.

00:44:19.510 --> 00:44:22.570 align:middle line:84%
And I really believe that,
henceforth, the religious

00:44:22.570 --> 00:44:26.140 align:middle line:84%
bigotry that that question of
yours implies is going to be a

00:44:26.140 --> 00:44:26.780 align:middle line:90%
dead issue.

00:44:26.780 --> 00:44:27.670 align:middle line:90%
I don\'t like it, and--

00:44:27.670 --> 00:44:30.390 align:middle line:84%
There was no religious bigotry
expressed at all.

00:44:30.390 --> 00:44:31.350 align:middle line:90%
Well, I--

00:44:31.350 --> 00:44:32.090 align:middle line:90%
You\'re a religious--

00:44:32.090 --> 00:44:33.280 align:middle line:90%
I\'ll accept your language.

00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:34.530 align:middle line:84%
You\'re a religious
broadcaster.

00:44:34.530 --> 00:44:35.260 align:middle line:90%
I\'ll accept that.

00:44:35.260 --> 00:44:35.930 align:middle line:90%
Thank you, Tom.

00:44:35.930 --> 00:44:38.710 align:middle line:84%
And to achieve what he did
is phenomenal, really.

00:44:38.710 --> 00:44:41.660 align:middle line:84%
It\'s totally completely
outside the party.

00:44:41.660 --> 00:44:45.070 align:middle line:84%
To have the Vice President of
the United States shoved into,

00:44:45.070 --> 00:44:49.100 align:middle line:84%
not second place by Bob Dole,
but into third place by Pat

00:44:49.100 --> 00:44:50.600 align:middle line:90%
Robertson, was a huge event.

00:44:50.600 --> 00:44:53.660 align:middle line:84%
It showed, sort of, weaknesses
in the Bush campaign.

00:44:53.660 --> 00:44:56.460 align:middle line:84%
It showed the fervor of
the evangelicals.

00:44:56.460 --> 00:44:58.850 align:middle line:84%
I\'m going to be the nominee,
and I think this win is

00:44:58.850 --> 00:45:03.380 align:middle line:84%
establishing me as the
new potential winner.

00:45:03.380 --> 00:45:05.650 align:middle line:84%
But I\'m throwing the gauntlet
down to George

00:45:05.650 --> 00:45:07.230 align:middle line:90%
Bush in South Carolina.

00:45:07.230 --> 00:45:11.210 align:middle line:84%
That\'s going to be the big
primary in a southern state

00:45:11.210 --> 00:45:12.750 align:middle line:90%
where we\'ll go head to head.

00:45:12.750 --> 00:45:16.050 align:middle line:84%
I got a phone call afterwards
from Ed Rogers, who was Lee\'s

00:45:16.050 --> 00:45:19.650 align:middle line:84%
right-hand man, said, Lee
wants you to go south.

00:45:19.650 --> 00:45:22.710 align:middle line:84%
I said meet me in South
Carolina, and then we will

00:45:22.710 --> 00:45:25.825 align:middle line:90%
have the contest.

00:45:25.825 --> 00:45:27.780 align:middle line:84%
This is my first political
campaign.

00:45:27.780 --> 00:45:29.880 align:middle line:84%
I never ran for anything
in my life.

00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:33.790 align:middle line:84%
So far, with only one exception,
New Hampshire, I

00:45:33.790 --> 00:45:38.268 align:middle line:84%
have scored either number one or
number two in every single

00:45:38.268 --> 00:45:41.142 align:middle line:90%
contest I\'ve been in.

00:45:41.142 --> 00:45:44.020 align:middle line:90%
I\'ve won Alaska, won Hawaii.

00:45:44.020 --> 00:45:45.340 align:middle line:90%
We won Nevada.

00:45:45.340 --> 00:45:49.260 align:middle line:84%
I was second in South
Dakota and second in

00:45:49.260 --> 00:45:51.190 align:middle line:90%
Kansas, second in Maine.

00:45:51.190 --> 00:45:55.176 align:middle line:84%
And it looks pretty good,
the rest of the South.

00:45:55.176 --> 00:46:02.960 align:middle line:90%
[SINGING]

00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:04.700 align:middle line:90%
How do you persuade evangelical

00:46:04.700 --> 00:46:05.840 align:middle line:90%
leaders to vote for Bush?

00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.100 align:middle line:84%
Well, because there are a lot
of people who are interested

00:46:08.100 --> 00:46:11.130 align:middle line:84%
in having the most qualified
man for president.

00:46:11.130 --> 00:46:13.580 align:middle line:84%
But they like their religion
in South Carolina.

00:46:13.580 --> 00:46:13.930 align:middle line:90%
Sure.

00:46:13.930 --> 00:46:18.650 align:middle line:84%
And they appreciate the fact
that the Vice President is a

00:46:18.650 --> 00:46:22.100 align:middle line:84%
man who, all his life, been
a good Christian.

00:46:22.100 --> 00:46:26.840 align:middle line:84%
Yes, we gave George Bush, on
paper, many options of things

00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:30.460 align:middle line:84%
to say to evangelicals to build
relationships with them.

00:46:30.460 --> 00:46:32.990 align:middle line:84%
You have to with any
constituent group.

00:46:32.990 --> 00:46:35.970 align:middle line:84%
Let me ask you a political
question.

00:46:35.970 --> 00:46:37.530 align:middle line:84%
I interviewed the
Vice President.

00:46:37.530 --> 00:46:39.860 align:middle line:84%
We were going to show this
videotape on selected

00:46:39.860 --> 00:46:42.390 align:middle line:84%
television markets
in the South.

00:46:42.390 --> 00:46:45.410 align:middle line:84%
Tucked away in the middle were
a few little evangelical

00:46:45.410 --> 00:46:48.570 align:middle line:84%
buzzwords and a few little key
questions that we wanted

00:46:48.570 --> 00:46:51.010 align:middle line:84%
evangelicals in the
South to hear.

00:46:51.010 --> 00:46:55.510 align:middle line:84%
The debates in 1984, one of
the journalists asked both

00:46:55.510 --> 00:46:58.040 align:middle line:84%
presidential candidates, have
you been born again?

00:46:58.040 --> 00:46:59.400 align:middle line:84%
How would you answer
the question,

00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:00.650 align:middle line:90%
the born-again question?

00:47:00.650 --> 00:47:02.900 align:middle line:90%

00:47:02.900 --> 00:47:08.980 align:middle line:84%
If it\'s defined as do you accept
Jesus Christ as your

00:47:08.980 --> 00:47:15.780 align:middle line:84%
Savior, I\'m a clear-cut
affirmative to that.

00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:20.802 align:middle line:84%
Clear-cut, no, no hesitancy,
no awkwardness.

00:47:20.802 --> 00:47:23.205 align:middle line:90%
[SINGING ]

00:47:23.205 --> 00:47:26.510 align:middle line:84%
I convinced Atwater that we
could take out a Robertson

00:47:26.510 --> 00:47:30.560 align:middle line:84%
church anytime we wanted
to, and there were 160

00:47:30.560 --> 00:47:32.140 align:middle line:90%
superchurches in the South.

00:47:32.140 --> 00:47:35.820 align:middle line:84%
We target them, we strip
Robertson\'s base.

00:47:35.820 --> 00:47:40.140 align:middle line:84%
All you needed was one
tithe-paying member of the

00:47:40.140 --> 00:47:44.320 align:middle line:84%
board who supported George Bush,
who\'d walk in, sit down

00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.430 align:middle line:84%
with the pastor and say, I
noticed you had tables out in

00:47:46.430 --> 00:47:48.380 align:middle line:84%
the vestibule last Sunday
for Robertson.

00:47:48.380 --> 00:47:51.420 align:middle line:84%
I\'d like to put a table
out there for Bush.

00:47:51.420 --> 00:47:54.170 align:middle line:84%
And most pastors would shut
it down right there--

00:47:54.170 --> 00:47:56.570 align:middle line:84%
say, nope, this Church,
it\'s not political.

00:47:56.570 --> 00:47:59.010 align:middle line:84%
Do you really think this thing
is accidental that it came out

00:47:59.010 --> 00:48:00.045 align:middle line:84%
two weeks before
this election?

00:48:00.045 --> 00:48:00.920 align:middle line:90%
Well, of course not.

00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:03.225 align:middle line:84%
I didn\'t just come into
reporting yesterday, did you?

00:48:03.225 --> 00:48:05.890 align:middle line:84%
Are you suggesting that Vice
President George Bush

00:48:05.890 --> 00:48:07.980 align:middle line:84%
engineered the Swaggart
revelations?

00:48:07.980 --> 00:48:09.150 align:middle line:90%
I didn\'t say any such thing.

00:48:09.150 --> 00:48:10.060 align:middle line:90%
You\'re the reporter.

00:48:10.060 --> 00:48:10.820 align:middle line:90%
Go out and find it yourself.

00:48:10.820 --> 00:48:12.570 align:middle line:84%
One of the reporters came
to me and asked me to--

00:48:12.570 --> 00:48:13.540 align:middle line:84%
Now you suggested
very strongly--

00:48:13.540 --> 00:48:14.650 align:middle line:90%
I\'m not suggesting anything.

00:48:14.650 --> 00:48:17.370 align:middle line:84%
I\'m just saying two weeks before
a crucial election--

00:48:17.370 --> 00:48:19.760 align:middle line:84%
surely you\'ve been in the
business long enough.

00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.730 align:middle line:84%
Knowing the quality of the
people surrounding George

00:48:22.730 --> 00:48:26.327 align:middle line:84%
Bush, there is nothing that I
would not believe that they

00:48:26.327 --> 00:48:27.710 align:middle line:90%
would do [INAUDIBLE].

00:48:27.710 --> 00:48:32.600 align:middle line:84%
By about sundown tonight,
sundown in the old South, I\'d

00:48:32.600 --> 00:48:36.760 align:middle line:84%
like to see him stand up like
a southern gentleman with a

00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:40.030 align:middle line:84%
little evidence or else
to apologize.

00:48:40.030 --> 00:48:44.150 align:middle line:84%
200,000 voters, the most ever,
turned out in South Carolina.

00:48:44.150 --> 00:48:47.200 align:middle line:84%
George Bush got nearly as many
votes as all the other

00:48:47.200 --> 00:48:49.270 align:middle line:84%
candidates combined,
leaving Dole and

00:48:49.270 --> 00:48:50.860 align:middle line:90%
Robertson well behind.

00:48:50.860 --> 00:48:54.040 align:middle line:84%
Now it\'s on to North Carolina
and the other Super Tuesday

00:48:54.040 --> 00:48:57.220 align:middle line:84%
states, where the candidates who
didn\'t beat Bush in South

00:48:57.220 --> 00:48:59.850 align:middle line:84%
Carolina are pinning
their hopes.

00:48:59.850 --> 00:49:03.020 align:middle line:84%
So I want to congratulate
George Bush.

00:49:03.020 --> 00:49:05.510 align:middle line:84%
It was a fantastic
run in the South.

00:49:05.510 --> 00:49:10.690 align:middle line:84%
And I want everybody to know
that we\'re not out yet.

00:49:10.690 --> 00:49:14.090 align:middle line:84%
When the votes were counted on
Super Tuesday, George Bush had

00:49:14.090 --> 00:49:17.550 align:middle line:84%
defeated Pat Robertson in
Georgia, Kentucky, Texas,

00:49:17.550 --> 00:49:20.520 align:middle line:84%
Virginia, and 10 other
southern primaries.

00:49:20.520 --> 00:49:24.150 align:middle line:84%
He told me at one meeting that
God had told him that he was

00:49:24.150 --> 00:49:25.090 align:middle line:84%
going to get elected
president.

00:49:25.090 --> 00:49:28.000 align:middle line:84%
And I said, did He say
when because it isn\'t

00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:28.810 align:middle line:90%
going to be this year.

00:49:28.810 --> 00:49:32.550 align:middle line:84%
I think what happened was
expectations got way out of

00:49:32.550 --> 00:49:34.810 align:middle line:90%
line with reality.

00:49:34.810 --> 00:49:37.180 align:middle line:84%
And I think the reason they
did was because in caucus

00:49:37.180 --> 00:49:43.620 align:middle line:84%
states, such as Michigan, such
as Iowa, we were able to do

00:49:43.620 --> 00:49:45.010 align:middle line:90%
the \"Green Beret\" thing.

00:49:45.010 --> 00:49:48.280 align:middle line:84%
I thought the South was the
Bible Belt and that they would

00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:50.470 align:middle line:84%
really be excited about
Pat Robertson.

00:49:50.470 --> 00:49:53.240 align:middle line:84%
And it was a real blow,
I think, when he

00:49:53.240 --> 00:49:55.550 align:middle line:90%
didn\'t win the South.

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But there was no chance that the
campaign could go on after

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Super Tuesday.

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It was over.

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We had won.

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I\'m not proud of how we won
because we won with every

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trick in the books we
could think of.

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This has not been a very
pleasant three years.

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See that door?

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Get out of here.

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I\'m a delegate.

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I want to go in.

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Please, let\'s do this
orderly, OK?

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The day that Robertson gave
his delegates to President

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Bush should have been a very
exciting day for me.

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George Bush Jr. said, his
one stipulation is

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that you not be there.

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I think I teared up.

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The battle was over.

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We had won.

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Why couldn\'t I be there?

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And then it dawned on me that,
I guess, I was a symbol of

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something that bothered
Pat Robertson.

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I sort of wanted to go down for
all time and eternity as a

00:50:51.240 --> 00:50:54.480 align:middle line:84%
vote for Pat Robertson, as
a vote for Christian

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conservative politics, as a
vote that really mattered.

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I mean, this was something that
I had given months of my

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life to support, a tremendous
amount of effort, a great deal

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of money, to be here
representing the Christian

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conservatives.

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And now, all of a sudden, I was
being asked just to forget

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everything I had worked for
and join the group.

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The only reason I changed my
vote was out of respect for

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Pat Robertson.

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[CHEERING]

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Tonight, I release my delegates
and alternates who

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have come to this convention
and urge you and all of my

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friends across America to give
your enthusiastic support to

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our party, to our platform, and
our presidential and vice

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presidential nominees.

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[CHEERING]

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There was no question that Dan
Quayle was picked as Vice

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President precisely
because Robertson

00:51:57.240 --> 00:51:58.390 align:middle line:90%
had been in the race.

00:51:58.390 --> 00:52:00.260 align:middle line:84%
And had he not been in the race,
you would have gotten

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some liberal, vice presidential
nominee, Alan

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Simpson maybe, or something
like that.

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That\'s the reality
of the situation.

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You don\'t to win at the
negotiating table what you

00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:14.070 align:middle line:84%
haven\'t won on the
battlefield.

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Do you feel like you\'re getting
from George Bush what

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you need to hear in terms of
the-- enthusiastically get

00:52:19.150 --> 00:52:19.910 align:middle line:90%
behind him?

00:52:19.910 --> 00:52:20.530 align:middle line:90%
Oh, yes.

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Most definitely.

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He\'s saying most of the things
that Pat Robertson was saying.

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Michael Dukakis turned out a
number of hardened criminals.

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The most notable example was
Willie Horton, who went into

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Maryland and terrorized a
family, and you know the

00:52:35.370 --> 00:52:36.200 align:middle line:90%
terrible story.

00:52:36.200 --> 00:52:37.960 align:middle line:84%
It was written about in
the Reader\'s Digest.

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He favored a program to give
weekend furloughs to murderers

00:52:43.090 --> 00:52:47.060 align:middle line:84%
who had not even served enough
time, enough time to be

00:52:47.060 --> 00:52:48.320 align:middle line:90%
eligible for parole.

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And one of them, Willie Horton,
got out and raped and

00:52:51.380 --> 00:52:52.180 align:middle line:90%
murdered again.

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As an aside, I should mention
that Michael Dukakis is a

00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:00.460 align:middle line:84%
card-carrying member
of the ACLU.

00:53:00.460 --> 00:53:03.000 align:middle line:90%

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[BOOING]

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He says, I am a card-carrying
member of the ACLU.

00:53:09.030 --> 00:53:13.230 align:middle line:84%
Well, I am not a card-carrying
member of the ACLU.

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There\'s a word that the
Democrats did not mention once

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in their platform and not once
in the acceptance speech of

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their candidates.

00:53:22.260 --> 00:53:25.840 align:middle line:90%
It\'s a G-word, the name of God.

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[CHEERING]

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As Americans, we are not ashamed
to pledge allegiance

00:53:32.580 --> 00:53:36.940 align:middle line:84%
to a flag that is a symbol
of one nation under God.

00:53:36.940 --> 00:53:39.724 align:middle line:90%
[CHEERING]

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Join me in this.

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We all know it.

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\"I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of

00:53:47.600 --> 00:53:52.380 align:middle line:84%
America, and to the Republic
for which it stands, one

00:53:52.380 --> 00:53:58.380 align:middle line:84%
Nation under God, indivisible,
with liberty and justice for

00:53:58.380 --> 00:54:01.610 align:middle line:84%
all.\" Thank you and
God bless you.

00:54:01.610 --> 00:54:04.530 align:middle line:84%
We were shocked, all
of us shocked.

00:54:04.530 --> 00:54:08.830 align:middle line:84%
We pulled 81% percent of the
evangelical vote in the

00:54:08.830 --> 00:54:10.320 align:middle line:90%
general election.

00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:12.210 align:middle line:84%
We lost the Jewish vote, of
course, which we lose.

00:54:12.210 --> 00:54:13.880 align:middle line:84%
We lost the black vote,
which we always lose.

00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:15.770 align:middle line:84%
We lost the Hispanic vote,
which we always lose.

00:54:15.770 --> 00:54:17.070 align:middle line:90%
We lost all those votes.

00:54:17.070 --> 00:54:20.600 align:middle line:84%
We were the first elected
president in modern times to

00:54:20.600 --> 00:54:23.530 align:middle line:90%
lose the Catholic vote.

00:54:23.530 --> 00:54:27.535 align:middle line:84%
It meant you could win with
just evangelicals.

00:54:27.535 --> 00:54:31.492 align:middle line:84%
We won 81% of the evangelical
vote.

00:54:31.492 --> 00:54:32.911 align:middle line:90%
It had never been done before.

00:54:32.911 --> 00:54:37.650 align:middle line:90%

00:54:37.650 --> 00:54:38.340 align:middle line:90%
Next time.

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There is a religious war going
on in this country.

00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:44.438 align:middle line:84%
This war is for the
soul of America.

00:54:44.438 --> 00:54:49.670 align:middle line:90%
[CHANTING]

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We will be the most
powerful political

00:54:51.570 --> 00:54:53.520 align:middle line:90%
force in American politics.

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God\'s Armies, the conclusion
of With God On Our Side.

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[MUSIC PLAYING]

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00:55:49.680 --> 00:55:52.480 align:middle line:84%
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00:55:58.790 --> 00:56:01.600 align:middle line:90%
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00:56:01.600 --> 00:56:06.460 align:middle line:84%
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00:56:06.460 --> 00:56:12.670 align:middle line:84%
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00:56:12.670 --> 00:56:16.810 align:middle line:84%
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00:56:16.810 --> 00:56:22.670 align:middle line:84%
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00:56:22.670 --> 00:56:25.900 align:middle line:84%
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