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♪ I want to be the girl with the most cake ♪

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- Girls are supposed to want to sleep with the band,

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they\'re not supposed to want to be the band.

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Yeah, I grew up wanting to be Madonna or one of Bananarama,

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but it wasn\'t gonna happen.

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It really wasn\'t gonna happen,

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but you know, I could be in Kenickie, so I am.

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♪ And someday you will ache like I ache ♪

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- Over the years of when I was being you know, controversial

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they would often come out with this phrase,

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\"Oh, she should just shut up and sing.\"

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And I was always thinking, how can you shut up and sing?

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You can\'t physically do it, do you know what I mean?

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It\'s an oxymoron or whatever you call it.

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♪ Someday you will ache like I ache ♪

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- You know as all girls do, when you start masturbating,

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you think your hands are gonna fall off,

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and that was my worst fear

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because as a piano player it\'s like,

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oh no, if it\'s between masturbating and playing the piano,

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it is a tough decision actually.

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♪ You\'re strange, insane ♪

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♪ One thing you can never change ♪

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♪ It\'s a crack, I\'m back ♪

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♪ Yeah I\'m standing on the rooftops ♪

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♪ Shouting out baby I\'m ready to go ♪

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- [Narrator] Female stars have turned

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the traditionally male world of rock inside out.

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Bold, ballsy, and loud,

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their sexuality is their strength and not their weakness.

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They show passion and aggression, rage and vulnerability.

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♪ I\'m ready to go ♪

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- [Narrator] They\'re on the cutting edge,

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transforming what it means to be female in the \'90s.

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♪ Shout it out ♪

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- [Narrator] Hearing them sing and seeing them onscreen

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trashes the idea that women

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are to be kept sweet, softly spoken, and firmly backstage.

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(energetic rock music)

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These women show that feminism

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is still an urgent and vibrant force,

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only theirs is a new kind of feminism.

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- More than owing a debt to the feminist movement,

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I think women in rock feel like they\'re carrying the torch,

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and that\'s their responsibility,

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to sort of push the new frontiers

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of what it means to be a feminist,

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what it means to change the rules,

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what it means to take yourself seriously,

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what it means to do things for yourself

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and for other women on your own terms.

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- One of the most important things

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I think in talking about rock and roll today,

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and talk abut pop music and pop culture today,

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is how it is so intensely commodified

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and blown completely out of proportion via the media

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in ways that makes it almost inescapable in daily life.

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To that extent if you ask me,

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it becomes more important than ever

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that feminism be a part of that.

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- I think feminism in the past has been seen very much

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as something that was confined to a particular ghetto,

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a women\'s liberation movement.

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I think that now, feminism has really cracked open

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and is out in the mainstream.

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- It is very, very true

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that early feminism was very text driven,

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that there were all kinds of theoretical and polemicists,

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that people had to read and keep up on.

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Now all of that has been translated

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into the form of movies and popular entertainment,

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so I think that the persona that we do get

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in rock and roll should concern feminists.

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That will be the only, the primary means,

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by which young women get the feminist message.

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♪ Gloria, G-L-O-R-I-A ♪

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♪ Gloria, G-L-O-R-I-A ♪

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♪ Gloria, G-L-O-R-I-A ♪

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- [Narrator] The forerunners of today\'s rock women,

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knew how hold a crowd spellbound,

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and they did it with passion and attitude.

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- There is not a single woman in rock today

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who is equal to Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders,

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that is a tough broad.

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♪ I see him standing silhouetted in the lamplight ♪

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♪ I cross the street and I quicken my pace ♪

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- Chrissie Hynde was running a band full of men.

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Now, she is a tough chick.

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For me, she is one of the ultimate role models

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for the aspiring woman rock musician.

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- There weren\'t a lot of women in music before I came along.

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There\'s always been women,

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and there\'s certainly in jazz

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there was always women singers who certainly had the guts,

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and the chutzpah and everything else

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that all rock women have.

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♪ Just looking for a change ♪

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- [Narrator] Now female artists are everywhere,

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not just singing compliant songs of love lost and longing,

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but also blasting out tales of defiance and sexual revenge.

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It is the white heat of their energy

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that fuels a new female revolution.

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- I think rock music is an excellent form for any

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political, sexual,

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whatever agenda, because it is so direct,

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and it is by nature revolutionary.

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It was born of trouble.

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It was born of the urge to change.

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♪ You\'re buying this, you\'re buying that now ♪

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♪ You\'re wishing all the money in the world belonged to you ♪

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♪ You\'re crucified upon your own cross now ♪

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♪ You\'re giving money to the white men in the white limo ♪

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The rock music definitely has got like a edge to it.

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It\'s the music that you can be very energetic

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and very diverse, and very emotional at the same time

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as being very angry and aggressive and very powerful.

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♪ Steal me, deal me, anyway you heal me ♪

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♪ Maim me, tame me, you can never change me ♪

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When I started singing, I got a lot of attention

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because I was very aggressive and very strident,

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and you know, people liked that.

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♪ Love me, like me, come ahead and fight me ♪

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♪ Please me, tease me, go ahead and leave me ♪

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- Feminism itself has freed the talents of women

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who are rock musicians and artists and pop culture heroes.

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It\'s accessible, and it\'s much more populist,

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and has a much greater reach,

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and it also has much more diversity,

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and joy and outrageousness in it.

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♪ I see you on the street and you walk on by ♪

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♪ You make me want to hang my head down and cry ♪

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- For at least 20 years and more,

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you had a cleavage between rock and roll

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and mainstream feminism that has only now been healed,

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thanks to Madonna having closed the gap.

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♪ I\'ve had to work much harder than this ♪

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♪ For something I want, don\'t try to resist me ♪

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- Madonna for like our generation

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is just one of these constant things that has been there

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since we were really quite small.

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For people, like we\'re 19.

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I still wanted to be Madonna.

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You know, I had lacy gloves.

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You know? (laughing)

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And I still sort of do want to be Madonna a bit.

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♪ Open your heart, I\'ll make you love me ♪

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- Madonna is a towering monument

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to possibility and self-determination.

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She did it all.

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She was able to change, manipulate, create,

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different images of herself with total control.

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♪ What are you gonna do ♪

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- What Madonna showed, and this is why

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she had so many tens of thousands of wannabes,

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is that it\'s possible for a woman to be highly sexual

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and flirtatious with men and still say no.

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♪ I want to run naked in a rainstorm ♪

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- [Victoria] The ways in which women have been able

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to make the most advancement in rock and roll as feminists

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is to almost bury their sexuality,

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and Madonna has done the opposite.

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She flaunts her sexuality.

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♪ So now what ♪

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- For me that\'s very exciting,

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because I don\'t enjoy a feminism

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in which I have to you know, cover up a part of myself.

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♪ Waiting ♪

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♪ For you to justify my love ♪

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♪ Yearning, burning ♪

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♪ For you to justify my love ♪

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- [Narrator] Madonna makes the bra burning outrageousness

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of early women\'s liberation

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with her own fearless in your face sexuality.

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Her unashamed sexual expression and complete control

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over her own image marked her out as a rebel babe.

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♪ I\'m only just coming to life ♪

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♪ Woman ♪

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♪ This is a woman\'s world ♪

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♪ This is my world ♪

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♪ Woman ♪

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♪ That can\'t deliver love ♪

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- [Narrator] While Madonna\'s get ahead attitude

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gathered speed, other female artists began

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to tackle the darker, more brutal side of women\'s lives.

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Their songs spoke fiercely

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about domestic violence, sexual abuse, and rape.

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(\"Woman\" by Neneh Cherry)

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- For the women who started the feminist movement,

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it is a dream come true for a woman musician

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to write a song about her own rape experience,

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which has the potential to reach millions of young girls

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and validate whatever experiences they\'ve had.

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♪ Yes I wore a slinky red thing ♪

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♪ Does that mean ♪

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♪ I should spread for you, your friends ♪

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♪ Your father, Mr. Ed ♪

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♪ Me and a gun ♪

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♪ And a man on my back ♪

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♪ But I haven\'t seen Barbados ♪

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♪ So I must get out of this ♪

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♪ I know ♪

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Me and a Gun was based on a personal experience,

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and it\'s a song about surviving a rape.

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I got so many letters from that and still do.

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- When she wrote a song about her own rape experience,

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and then became a focal point for hundreds of thousands

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of young women who had not had their experiences validated

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who came forward with their experiences and told her,

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she used her celebrity and her commercial success

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to get her record label to finance a national rape hotline.

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And up until that point,

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there hadn\'t been such a thing in the US, which is shocking.

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♪ These things go through your head ♪

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♪ When there\'s a man on your back ♪

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♪ You\'re pushed flat on your stomach ♪

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♪ It\'s not a classic Cadillac ♪

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♪ Me and a gun ♪

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♪ And a man ♪

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- If you\'ve got pornography saturating your environment,

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it\'s making it impossible for women

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to live in that environment.

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It\'s creating aggression against women,

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and bigotry against women.

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When women are devalued in these ways,

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it\'s easier to hit women.

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It\'s easier to rape women.

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I don\'t think that the brutality

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against women can be overstated.

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It\'s very hard to count,

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but we\'re talking about anywhere from a third to a half

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of US women having been battered in a marriage.

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We\'re talking about one in three women being raped.

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We\'re talking about you know,

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staggeringly high amounts of physical sexual violence.

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♪ Tell me what\'s right ♪

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♪ Is it my right ♪

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♪ To be on my stomach of Fred\'s Seville ♪

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I don\'t know if I\'ll play Me and a Gun now at every concert,

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because something has really shifted for me,

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and where I am now

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I feel like we have honored

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that screaming voice that needed to be heard.

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Now it\'s time to honor some other voices.

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♪ People talk about my image ♪

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♪ Like I come into dimensions ♪

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♪ Like lipstick is a sign of my declining mind ♪

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♪ Like what I happen to be wearing ♪

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♪ The day that someone takes a picture ♪

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♪ Is my new statement for all of womankind ♪

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I haven\'t really brought feminism to my music consciously.

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It\'s just, I\'m a woman, you know?

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And I live in the world, so when I write

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I think that my gender informs

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what I see and what I say about it then.

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So I think you know, as sort of almost by nature

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my work is feminist.

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♪ I was 11 years old ♪

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♪ He was as old as my dad ♪

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♪ And he took something from me ♪

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♪ I didn\'t even know that I had ♪

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♪ So don\'t tell me about decency ♪

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♪ Don\'t tell me about pride ♪

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♪ Just give me something for my trouble ♪

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♪ \'Cause this time it\'s not a free ride ♪

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♪ Yeah I just wanna take the money I make ♪

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- Ani DiFranco is the next generation.

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I mean, she\'s carried it further,

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not only in doing her own songs and her own lyrics,

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but also her own record company

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and making sure its employment policies reflect her politics

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and give work to people in her own community

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in upstate New York.

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I mean, she\'s like a one person growth industry there,

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and she\'s done it in a very principled, consistent way.

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- It\'s very good that her fans hear

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that she acknowledges feminism,

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and that she considers herself a feminist,

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and that these issues are important to her

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and that you\'ve got to continue to assert them.

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- She\'s got a lot to say about women

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and just about life in general, and experience.

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- And it\'s so personal,

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like every time you hear one of her songs,

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I could totally relate it back to my own life.

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- She\'s about empowerment and respecting yourself,

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and like, you know being who you are.

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- She talks about what she believes in.

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- Yeah.

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- I mean, she talks about women\'s rights,

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capital punishment, homeless people, bisexual people.

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- I talk about the issue of abortion,

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or the issue of you know, queer sexuality,

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or the issue of menstruation,

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but to me they\'re not issues, you know?

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To me, it\'s my life.

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♪ Maybe I\'ll live my whole life just getting by ♪

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♪ Maybe I\'ll be discovered, maybe I\'ll be colonized ♪

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♪ You could try to train me like a pet ♪

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♪ You could try to teach me to beg ♪

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♪ But I\'ll tell you that I haven\'t learned it yet ♪

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♪ You know I ain\'t gonna sit, I ain\'t gonna stay ♪

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When I first started to get out there, people thought,

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oh, militant, angry, hairy,

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puppy eating, man hating feminist, yikes.

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♪ Feel free to listen ♪

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♪ Yeah, feel free to stare ♪

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Now it\'s really different.

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You know again, the industry hype

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of women in rock, chick singers,

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a lot of female informed rock music out there,

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and people are getting more used to the idea

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of a girl with a big mouth.

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♪ Fire ♪

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♪ Fire ♪

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- [Narrator] These days it\'s not unusual

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for female rock stars to express

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personal trauma in their songs.

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They don\'t just talk about their rage, they scream it out.

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♪ She\'s taken everything I liked ♪

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There are a lot of people who imitate rage.

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You know, it\'s very easy to get up with an electric guitar

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and pretend you\'re really angry,

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but there are very few people

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who actually were really coming from a furnace

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which had driven them into the public arena, you know?

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I think I\'m definitely one of those.

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♪ I watched her torturing my child ♪

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My experience of child abuse growing up,

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that was the furnace that drove me into the public arena,

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so that was very much what I was writing about.

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- As a musician, as a singer, as a performer,

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I think Sinead O\'Connor is luminous.

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♪ Fire ♪

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- She speaks her mind and her heart,

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and when she was talking about the degree to which

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the Catholic church has been complicit in child abuse

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and tore up the photograph of the Pope

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as a protest on television,

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she was gonna get a terrific amount of punishment.

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So I wrote her a fan letter telling her

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how much I appreciated her protest.

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- If you stand up,

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depending on what it is you\'re standing up for,

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you have to prepared to have the shit kicked out of you.

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You know, and I mean I did go through

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some years of being very, very brutalized.

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- Ladies and gentlemen, Sinead O\'Connor.

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(audience cheering)

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(audience booing)

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- Thank you.

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Okay, turn this up.

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♪ Until the philosophy ♪

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♪ Which holds one race superior and another inferior ♪

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♪ Is finally and permanently ♪

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♪ Discredited and abandoned ♪

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♪ Everywhere is war ♪

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♪ Until there\'s no longer first class ♪

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♪ Or second class citizens of any nation ♪

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♪ I\'ve got to say war ♪

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♪ And until the ignoble and unhappy regime ♪

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♪ Which holds all of us true ♪

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♪ Child abuse, yeah ♪

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♪ Child abuse, yeah ♪

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♪ Subhuman bondage has been toppled ♪

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♪ Utterly destroyed ♪

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♪ Everywhere is war ♪

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(audience cheering)

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- Sinead O\'Connor\'s a great rock and roll personality,

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and I don\'t even think what she does is rock and roll,

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but as a personality, she out rocks the rest of them

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with her sheer fierce unpredictability.

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- In one\'s 20s, one\'s a fighter anyway.

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You wanna fight your father and your mother,

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and the government and fuckin\' everybody, you know?

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But then you get a bit older

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you get hopefully a bit of wisdom and you understand.

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I now understand that while I don\'t,

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while I really admire and respect myself

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or the things that I did,

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I now understand the power of music,

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that I can put it into the music

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rather than be this kind of open wound

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running around the world, do you know what I mean?

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That actually if I whisper,

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there\'s a lot more power in that

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than there is in shouting, do you know?

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♪ Thank you for hearing me ♪

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♪ Thank you for hearing me ♪

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♪ Thank you for hearing me ♪

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♪ Thank you for hearing me ♪

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(\"Supermodel\" by The Juliana Hatfield Three)

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♪ The highest paid piece of ass ♪

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♪ You know it\'s not gonna last ♪

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♪ Those magazines end up in the trash ♪

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- [Narrator] In a world of relentless marketing,

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media hype, and ruthless image promotion,

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women\'s self-assertion has become a marketable commodity.

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Record companies have been quick

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to see the profit potential of women\'s aspiration,

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as they cash in on empty slogans of female power.

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♪ Yo, I\'ll tell you what I want ♪

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♪ What I really, really want ♪

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♪ So tell me what you want ♪

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♪ What you really, really want ♪

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- [Narrator] Today the Spice Girls

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peddle girl power like a soft drink.

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Their brand of flighty feminism is being sold

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as glamor, glitz, and image to preteen and teenage girls.

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- There are about a million things

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that I like about the Spice Girls.

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First of all the fact that they brought attention

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back to really young girls,

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instead of always the attention being

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on like 30 year old women and their trials in the home,

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and real women like who are struggling.

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I think that for girls

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to interested in feminism and inspired by it

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has to be about really large,

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kind of glamorous beautiful things,

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which the Spice Girls are.

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They\'re just a miracle.

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♪ Love is blind as far as the eye can see ♪

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- But it does seem that the Spice Girls

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just believed in themselves,

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had this amazing confident, walked all over everyone

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and then the next week they were earning $8 million

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or whatever and they were on the cover of everything

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and they had taken over the world.

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- And it\'s cool.

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♪ Do you still remember how we used to be ♪

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- [Narrator] With their cut price glamor

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and girl gang next door attitude,

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the Spice Girls are more about

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product sponsorship than liberation.

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Their relentless girl power slogan

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was nothing more than a marketing device,

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bought and sold by record company suits.

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Girl power Spice Girl style is cartoonish

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and does little more than dare girls

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to pierce their tongues and throw a few high kicks.

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- In the beginning, the whole Spice Girls, girl power thing

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looked like the apocalypse to me. (laughs)

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You know, it just, I thought this is it.

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This is where the life gets sucked out of feminism

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and it becomes a meaningless bumper sticker.

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♪ Both of us were dreamers ♪

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♪ Young love in the sun ♪

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- The Spice Girls are supposedly looked on

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as being this model of feminism, you know,

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and actually it\'s completely the opposite

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to the model of feminism.

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Not that I think there\'s anything wrong

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with wandering around half naked,

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but it would be wonderful if the world was a safe place

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and we could all do that, but it isn\'t.

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♪ Taking is too easy, but that\'s the way it is ♪

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- [Sinead] It\'s weird that they choose

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the word girl, I think also.

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You know, why don\'t they choose the word woman?

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But there\'s a certain kind of almost,

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the Baby Spice thing I think is quite sick.

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In a lot of ways it\'s quite kind of pedophile-y.

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♪ Don\'t be hasty ♪

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- If they are role models,

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then the girls watching them think,

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okay, well if I take all my clothes off

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and I undress like this and I dress like that,

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well, then I\'ll get some rich footballer to marry me.

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♪ Something fine, built to last ♪

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♪ Slipped up there ♪

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♪ I guess we\'re running out of time too fast ♪

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- They\'re sexual teases,

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and they have this manipulative way of using their sexuality

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to at least at that moment, decrease hostility,

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from men in particular,

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which makes them kind of

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the great male wet dream.

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♪ I wanna, ha, I wanna, ha ♪

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♪ I wanna, ha, I wanna, ha ♪

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♪ I wanna really, really, really wanna zig-a-zig ah ♪

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- I don\'t see how wearing a bra and your knickers

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on a front cover of a magazine with your breasts stuck up,

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with your WonderBra holding up a peace sign and a pout,

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is anything to do female equality or like anything to do

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with moving the cause of female equality forward.

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- To claim that they\'re kind of inventors of girl power

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is completely a joke.

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I mean, you know I would say that the mother of God

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is the first fucking feminist, do you know what I mean?

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The first girl power woman, you know?

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So there\'s always been woman power.

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- The whole thing absolutely disgusts me,

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\'cause for me it\'s nothing to do with girl power.

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To me it\'s about you know,

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equality.

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I have no desire to have a female run world.

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I think that would be equally as scary.

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♪ If you wanna be my lover ♪

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♪ You gotta get with my friends ♪

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- I\'m trying to look at it positively and say that,

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hey you know, if you\'re 13 and you\'re female,

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that might be a cut above the boy groups.

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♪ Stop right now, thank you very much ♪

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♪ I need somebody with a human touch ♪

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- If you\'re actually seeing female images

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and you\'re going with your little girlfriends and you know,

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you\'re sort of not afraid to make noise or be present.

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♪ Hey you, always on the run ♪

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♪ Gotta slow it down baby, gotta have some fun ♪

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(laughing)

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- So I\'m trying not to think of them as too evil, although,

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(laughs)

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although I would like to put them on an island somewhere,

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one without electricity.

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(heavy rock music)

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- [Narrator] Girl power is a sanitized version

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of the radical yet short lived Riot Grrrl movement,

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the \'90s daughter of punk rock.

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Riot Grrrl inspired hungry young female rockers to take up

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guitars to pile drive their anger and aggression into music.

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♪ My life ♪

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♪ To save my life ♪

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- [Narrator] The Riot Grrrl fanzine network

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reflected a new kind of feminism, one where the good, bad,

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and plain unconventional sat side by side.

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♪ Do your chores ♪

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♪ That\'s what you like me for ♪

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- [Narrator] In the early \'90s,

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diverse sounds from the girl power underground

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began to surface in the pop mainstream.

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♪ Sister ♪

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- [Narrator] This was a challenge to the pop market,

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where the feisty rock chick has always been regarded

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as more of a problem than an asset.

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- We were doing an interview

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somewhere in Denmark or somewhere like that,

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and they were talking about cock rock and hairspray bands,

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and all this kind of palaver muse,

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and I said, \"Oh no, we\'re not cock rock, we\'re clit rock.\"

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because we kind of came up

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alongside the whole Brit pop thing,

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you know this whole kind of marketing making up scenes

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and we were like, oh no, we\'re nothing like that.

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We\'re our own scene.

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We\'re clit rock.

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You know, and the journalist was like,

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\"You can\'t say that, you can\'t say that.\"

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And we\'re like, \"Clit rock, clitoris, clit rock.\"

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♪ Everyday hurts a little more ♪

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♪ And everyday hurts a little more ♪

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♪ And I\'ll do anything ♪

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♪ Yes I\'ll do anything ♪

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- I think that Skin is someone who has a difficult image.

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The fact that she\'s aggressive on stage,

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and her presence and image is aggressive,

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the fact that she\'s black,

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the fact that she\'s bald,

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the fact that\'s she openly bisexual.

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All of those things challenge people.

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♪ They\'re selling Jesus again ♪

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♪ They want your soul and your money ♪

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I see myself as quite a powerful figure.

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I see myself as trying to be a strong, powerful figure

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and I know I can be intimidating for a lot of people.

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- Certainly in America, radio programmers, TV programmers,

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booking agents, concert producers, etc.,

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find it a very hard image to get around,

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and most of them cannot get passed the image

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to listen to the music.

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♪ I wonder what you\'re doing now ♪

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♪ I wonder if you think of me at all ♪

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It\'s very much picking out a piece of my character

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and accentuating that piece of my character

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so it turns into, that is all that I am.

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Press wise, I think they think

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it\'s a bit more of an interesting story

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if I\'m seen as this kind of

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Grace Jones, Tina Turner, Godzilla type character.

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And onstage we do very powerful and very strong songs,

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and very aggressive songs, but at the same time,

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we do very soft, and vulnerable, and delicate songs.

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♪ Still want you here tonight ♪

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We will go to a certain point to break America,

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and we will not go beyond that.

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You know, we will not make denouncements.

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I will not make announcements

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saying that I\'m heterosexual for instance,

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you know there\'s certain things that you have to do,

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and otherwise it\'s just not worth it.

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Otherwise you\'re not happy with yourself

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and you wake up and you look in the mirror,

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you\'re not happy about why you\'re in this industry.

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You\'re not happy being on stage

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because you\'ve lost your integrity.

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♪ What drives you on ♪

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♪ Can drive you mad ♪

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♪ A million lies to sell yourself ♪

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♪ Is all you ever had ♪

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♪ Don\'t believe in love ♪

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- [Narrator] Success has given women

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increased bargaining power.

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As more female artists gain

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greater control over their careers,

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they refuse the be pushed around like pawns.

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- Exploited is a word that goes

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all the way through your record deal.

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We are going to be able to exploit this and exploit this,

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and you just have to be aware

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that that\'s exactly what\'s happening.

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♪ I went to the doctor ♪

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♪ And guess what he told me ♪

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♪ Guess what he told me ♪

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I got pregnant when I was in the process

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of making my first record

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and then I went to see the record company doctor,

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and you know, he basically sat me down and said,

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\"You know, your record company

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\"have spent 100,000 pounds recording your album.

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\"You owe it to them not to have this baby.

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\"You can\'t be leaping about the stage if you\'re pregnant.

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\"You can\'t be leaving your child later.\"

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And he even went as far as to tell me

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if I went on an airplane while I was pregnant,

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my child might be born with some sort of

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you know, handicap or something.

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- When I asked Madonna about her early experiences,

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she told me one horrifying tale

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about being offered a record contract

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in exchange for a nasty little sexual act.

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(energetic rock music)

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Business wise, the difference now for women

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is that it\'s much more friendly atmosphere.

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As in so many other walks of life,

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women are savvy to what they\'re entitled to.

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In three notable cases,

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Queen Latifah, Madonna, and Ani DiFranco,

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own and run their own record companies.

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♪ They get what they want ♪

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- [Narrator] There is now room for women

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who combine the strengths of Riot Grrrl

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with the sexual subversion of Madonna.

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A growing regiment of barefaced rock heroines

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refuse to conform to someone else\'s ideal.

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♪ I want you to ♪

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♪ Go on take everything, take everything ♪

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♪ I want you to ♪

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- Courtney Love is a card carrying feminist.

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She\'ll like say that exact phrase.

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- She\'s a pretty unique individual,

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and her use of story is very unique,

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and her rage was very unique.

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- What\'s great about her, I think,

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is that it\'s real, do you know what I mean?

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She fucking screams down the microphone.

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♪ Go on take everything, take everything ♪

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♪ I want you to ♪

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- Well, I met Courtney a few months ago in New York,

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and it\'s very difficult meeting sort of heroines,

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\'cause it\'s the thing, you know,

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you don\'t want your illusion to be shattered,

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\'cause then that\'ll just crush you further.

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My first images of her, I thought, \"Oh god, look at her.\"

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But then I read her interviews

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and I thought she was really honest.

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And you know, I wouldn\'t have a bad word

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to say about her really.

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But I think she defies conformity.

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She\'s very real.

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And she\'s fearless.

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- Courtney Love has had a great influence on younger women,

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has allowed the younger feminists to feel

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that there\'s something in rock for themselves.

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- I don\'t know if Courtney Love

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is such a influential even role model

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for young, young girls.

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Ani DiFranco\'s probably much more so,

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but for women our age, I think she pretty influential.

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She fucks with the system a lot.

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She\'s very intelligent.

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She shape shifts constantly.

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She\'s not intellectually gonna build something

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that I think is gonna be even what Madonna did,

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do you know what I mean?

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But I do think that she\'s pretty powerful

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and defiant and a mother, and she\'s always sort of been

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against this whole language of using girl.

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She was really making a statement

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when she would wear her kinder whore style of clothes

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and then just like kicking it with her guitar,

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and some skinny little urchin doing it

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I think has much less power.

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It\'s not as subversive.

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♪ Go on take everything, take everything ♪

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♪ Take everything, take everything ♪

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- [Narrator] As women artists become big sellers,

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the industry has begun to target

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a whole new market of female consumers.

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Women not only buy more records than ever before,

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but they now constitute over 40% of rock audiences.

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- I like the fact that so many women

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are coming to like heavy rock gigs,

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and they\'re not just going to idolize the lead singer.

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They\'re going because they love the heaviness of the music,

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and they\'re into that whole vibe.

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♪ It\'s a crack, I\'m back ♪

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♪ Yeah, I\'m standing on the rooftops ♪

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♪ Shouting out baby I\'m ready to go ♪

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♪ I\'m back, I\'m ready to go ♪

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♪ On the rooftops shouting out ♪

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We\'ve got this great like gang of female stage climbers,

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so it\'s kind of brilliant, you know?

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And I\'m like, yeah come on stage.

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You know, most people are like, get them off.

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Throw them off stage.

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I\'m like, yeah come on. (laughs)

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And sort of run and do this running leap into the audience.

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I think it\'s a good laugh, you know?

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\'Cause I wished it was more like that when I was young.

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You know, there are a lot more girls going to gigs.

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I think it\'s great, and they\'re at the front.

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Not at the back, with their boyfriend at the front,

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(laughs)

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which is great.

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♪ Baby I\'m ready to go ♪

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♪ Baby I\'m ready to go ♪

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♪ Baby I\'m ready to go ♪

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(audience cheering)

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♪ Typical girls try to be ♪

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♪ Typical girls very well ♪

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♪ Typical girls try to be ♪

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♪ Typical girls very well ♪

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- [Narrator] Early feminism was as radical

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and confrontational as punk rock.

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♪ Typical girls ♪

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- [Narrator] Because of it\'s shocking impact,

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for a long time it was kept safely to the margins.

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- There has to be extremes in movements

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to actually force movement,

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and you know, if it hadn\'t been for the suffragettes

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chaining themselves to the Houses of Parliament,

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god knows where we would be.

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We\'d probably still be without a vote.

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You know, there always has to,

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I think historically looking back,

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there always has to be hysteria.

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- Valerie Solanas, the woman who shot Andy Warhol,

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is a good example of the kind of feminist I am.

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I\'m a kind of pugilist.

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I\'m born under the sign of Aries.

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I\'m a warrior.

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I believe that not all women can be me.

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Okay, I\'m like a very militant

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kind of cantankerous, outspoken person.

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I\'m an open lesbian and so on,

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although I\'ve had bisexual experience,

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and I\'m very open toward men and so on,

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but I think that you need us.

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I mean the feminists, all movements need this kind of,

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the avant-garde, the people who go through and bust through,

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and make room for the peacemakers to come after us

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who can be much more moderate.

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♪ I turned around red, somebody was catching the wrath ♪

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♪ Then the little one said ♪

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♪ Yeah me bitch, and laughed ♪

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♪ Since he was with his boys he tried to break fly ♪

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♪ Huh, I punched him dead in his eye ♪

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♪ And said, who you calling a bitch ♪

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- I think a huge accomplishment of feminism

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that we forget about because we now take it for granted

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is that the position of women is no longer seen as natural.

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And when I was growing up, it definitely was.

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You know, women were in a subordinate, supportive position,

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because of biology, because they had children,

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because, because, you know because God said so,

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Freud said so, (laughs) somebody said so.

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♪ I\'m not taking it no more ♪

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♪ I\'m not your personal whore ♪

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♪ That\'s not what I\'m here for ♪

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- My attitude was, a line must be drawn in the sand.

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Women must be taken seriously,

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so I was one of those people who felt that for example,

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all the chivalry, the gallantry

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with which men pull the chair out for you,

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or open the door for you, all of this,

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or put an arm around you to guide you.

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All of that stuff had to be stopped,

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and I was one of those people

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that was very physical saying, get off me.

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You know, shut up.

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I\'m one of the people, yell.

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I believe I\'m sort of in your face,

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kind of challenge to male condescension and so on.

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I was a constant problem.

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♪ Quickly she came, dressed up for fame ♪

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♪ Riding her perfume downstairs ♪

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- [Narrator] After 30 years,

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feminism has moved into the mainstream.

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The unpopular has become popular culture,

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and in its wake, the idea of post-feminism

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has gained credence.

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But if feminism is no longer necessary,

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why is popular culture saturated

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with retro images on dieting and dating?

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♪ She cares ♪

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♪ What do I do now ♪

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- [Narrator] The overhyped, overexposed

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Bridget Jones\'s Diary presents a new version

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of old rules for the \'90s ladette

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and its primary lesson is how not to be left on the shelf.

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Bridget Jones is being touted

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as a definitive role model for today\'s women.

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And as if Bridget wasn\'t enough,

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we now have her transatlantic counterpart,

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the ditzy Ally McBeal, an insufferable 30-something

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who frets about her hemline and her marriage prospects.

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♪ He goes to bed ♪

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♪ Dreaming of her on his own ♪

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♪ She stays up all week, watching him sleep ♪

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♪ Scared that she\'ll wake up alone ♪

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♪ What do I do now ♪

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- [Narrator] These fickle characters

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are part of a \'90s backlash, a trend that undermines

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women\'s hard won self-esteem and independence.

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♪ Maybe I\'m just stupid ♪

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♪ Can\'t we try again ♪

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- The phrase post-feminist is constantly thrown about,

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and I understand what it means on one level,

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but it\'s also totally meaningless.

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It\'s like, well you know,

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I can be all cutesy and I can flirt with guys,

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but I\'m still strong.

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And it\'s like, well yeah, that\'s true one on level,

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but it doesn\'t recognize the realities

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of women\'s lives today.

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♪ You take it out on me, but that\'s about enough ♪

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♪ You put your hands on me again ♪

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♪ I\'ll put your ass in handcuffs ♪

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- I think that very strong women in rock

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project those realities,

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the ways in women are downtrodden or shunned to the side

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and still sort of moving forward and keeping your head up,

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but I think that those very fundamental messages

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should be transmitted to the young women of today.

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- The great goal of feminism

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that was setup in the late 18th century

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was carried right through the 19th century,

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right though the 20th century,

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hasn\'t it been achieved?

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You know, we\'re still looking to get to that equality.

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- A friend of mine who\'s an actress said once

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that she\'d been married to one Marxist and one fascist,

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and neither one took the garbage out,

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and I\'ve been quoting her for years

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because I think it says simply why patriarchy

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is deeper than existing political labels.

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- [Narrator] Political labels

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carry a great deal of negative baggage.

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Despite growing up with the gains of feminism,

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many female artists are reluctant

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to call themselves feminists.

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The bra burning, man hating, hairy lesbian

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is still a powerful stereotype hard to cast off.

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- I\'m kind of very wary of isms and ists,

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and I don\'t identify with the kind of man hating thing,

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because you know, I think in a lot of ways

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men get a very rough deal as well.

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They\'re always seen as the baddie, and it\'s really,

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it should be a bit more 50/50, do you know what I mean?

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That we need to accept responsibility as well,

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but it depends on exactly

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what a feminist is, that\'s the thing.

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I mean, what exactly is a feminist?

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♪ He said, girl you better try to have fun ♪

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♪ No matter what you do ♪

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♪ Well he\'s a fool ♪

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♪ \'Cause nothing compares ♪

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♪ Nothing compares to you ♪

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- What disturbs me to a great degree about the way

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that images of women are presented to teenagers

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is that the feminist message is always associated

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with being dowdy, out of fashion, out of date, antiquated.

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- If you say, oh feminism.

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Then people think, oh my god, flat shoes and harsh haircuts.

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- When I said to young women,

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would you call yourself a feminist?

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I got the most ridiculous responses back.

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No, I wouldn\'t call myself a feminist

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\'cause I like reading glossy magazines.

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No, I wouldn\'t call myself a feminist

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\'cause I don\'t mind being called love.

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You know, and all these responses from women

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who clearly were feminists,

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who were saying they wanted more equality,

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who were saying that they wanted to be themselves,

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be independent to what they wanted in their lives.

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- In the \'80s especially,

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it became this kind of catchphrase for, oh you\'re feminist.

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Oh, you\'re a lesbian.

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Oh sorry, feminist.

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You know?

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- There\'s still a fear of being labeled a dyke,

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and I just see it all the time.

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I see people reconciling their feminism by being like,

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not all feminists are lesbians,

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and that being the only way

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that they can argue for their right to be one.

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- The whole vibe of it has been kind of objectified,

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and walked into this negative word,

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into this thing that young women

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don\'t want to see themselves as being feminists.

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While at the same time they want

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to be able to have the same opportunities,

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so then you know, are they not feminists?

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♪ Nothing takes the past away ♪

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♪ Like the future ♪

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♪ Nothing makes the darkness go ♪

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- There\'s so many women writers that are bitching

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about hanging onto feminism and it\'s like you know,

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this is like a stale old pussy, man.

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Come up with something else, wash it.

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Transcend, get wings,

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become the thing you\'re talking about in your speech.

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♪ I wanna smash the faces ♪

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♪ Of those beautiful boys ♪

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♪ Those Christian boys ♪

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♪ So you can make me come ♪

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♪ That doesn\'t make you Jesus ♪

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For feminism to really work,

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then it must transcend the category.

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If you want equal rights,

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it has to become not segregated in the speech.

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You talk about your experience as a woman,

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it\'s not compartmentalized under a heading.

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- I think we\'re sort of a living definition of feminism,

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kind of because you can\'t go around talking about,

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oh, I believe in myself.

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I believe that I have the right to do these things.

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You know, we just got off our asses,

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went and did all of the things that we ever wanted to do.

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Not all of them yet, but you know.

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We started.

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♪ Sometimes the sun shines on unkind people ♪

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- [Narrator] By their very existence,

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women performers have expanded

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the meaning of the word feminist.

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♪ Shy people, people like you ♪

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- [Narrator] It now incorporates tolerance,

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diversity, and an absolute belief in male/female equality.

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Feminism is a good word with a bad press.

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It is time for it to be used again with pride.

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- I definitely define myself as a feminist.

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This does not disallow wonderful clothes, good lipstick,

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sex with whomever I choose,

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the demand, the right to be contradictory,

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the right to be angry and sometimes defeated,

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the right to be good and sometimes bad.

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The right to live exactly as I want,

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and to me that was always what feminism was about.

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It wasn\'t a deal that you made with God or the devil,

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that you sacrificed this and you got that.

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I want everything, and I want it all,

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and that\'s what feminism was about for me,

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getting all and everything.

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♪ Rock a bye baby, in the treetop ♪

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♪ Yeah when the wind blows ♪

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♪ The cradle will rock ♪

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♪ When the bough breaks ♪

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- [Narrator] Rich rock stars like Madonna and Courtney Love

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clearly don\'t have to worry

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about paying bills for childcare.

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They may not feel the urge

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to campaign for daycare centers or equal pay,

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but their very presence broadcasts to the world

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an image of stronger female self-determination.

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♪ The cradle will fall ♪

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- Any group of people whether it\'s musicians or artists,

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or you know, actors, or people where we garner media focus

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will always have an influence in society,

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definitely without a doubt.

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I mean, simply because they\'re magnified.

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You can\'t really ignore them.

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♪ Look over ♪

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♪ Yeah, yeah ♪

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- Watching someone like Skin jumping around on stage

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is kind of like a catharsis for a lot of women

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who are thinking, I want to behave like that.

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I want not to give a damn.

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I want to be able to be angry and show it.

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- It\'s not nice to feel that people

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are looking to you for the answers.

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You know, and like Linda McCartney would say,

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and I quote, \"I have no answers.\"

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So, I think if I\'ve encouraged anyone to do anything,

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I\'m just happy if I\'ve encouraged them

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to just get on and do what they wanted to do.

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♪ Nothing compares to you ♪

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People who make music

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become in a way role models for people.

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I don\'t know if they would say

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they saw me as a feminist role model.

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They would see me,

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they would identify with me because I\'m a woman,

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but they wouldn\'t think the word feminist necessarily.

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♪ And I wonder ♪

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♪ Is he different, is he different ♪

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♪ Has he changed ♪

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♪ Or is he just a liar with nothing to lie about ♪

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If I decide I\'m gonna say something,

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I\'m gonna describe an experience or admit to my life,

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and then a whole bunch of young women say,

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\"Oh wow, thanks for saying that.

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\"Me too, I can\'t believe somebody said it.\"

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Then that in turn also makes me feel like I exist more,

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like oh okay, you too and you too.

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So there you go, here we are,

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and I must be an actual person

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(laughs)

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in the actual world.

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(energetic rock music)

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- [Narrator] Rock music has done more to popularize feminism

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than any other cultural phenomenon.

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The longer our female stars refuse to shut up and sing,

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the more women feel that they too

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can be just who they want to be.

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Women in rock have brought \'90s feminism

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into mainstream culture, which is where it belongs.

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♪ And I\'ll do anything ♪

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♪ Yes I\'ll do anything ♪

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♪ To belong, to be strong ♪

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♪ To say there\'s nothing wrong ♪

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♪ Everyday hurts a little more ♪

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♪ Everyday hurts a little more ♪

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♪ And I\'ll do anything ♪

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♪ Yes I\'ll do anything ♪

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♪ To belong, to be strong ♪

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♪ To say there\'s nothing wrong ♪

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♪ Everyday hurts ♪

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♪ Everyday hurts ♪

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♪ Everyday hurts ♪