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- You know, a woman, a lot of times,

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defines herself by her
ability to have children.

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I just can\'t imagine being without kids.

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I\'ve wanted to be a mother
since I was about 25-years-old,

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and here I am turning 40.

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I\'ve been trying for seven
years to get pregnant,

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and it hasn\'t been an easy task

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by anybody\'s stretch of the imagination.

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We don\'t really have the luxury
of waiting or the luxury of

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seeing if there\'s other alternatives.

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This is something that\'s...

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This is our one and final shot.

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- Okay, Lisa.

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Turn the light off.

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This here, this whole thing
right here, this is her uterus,

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which is in most people would
be where you carry your baby.

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- [Lisa] Do you see any eggs?

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- Your body goes through a cycle

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in order to develop the follicles

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and that\'s how you know
when you have the proper

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time to harvest an egg.

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- [Lisa] I actually have
polycystic ovarian syndrome.

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And on top of that, I
have complex hyperplasia

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with fibrosis, so unfortunately my uterus

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is just not a candidate to carry a baby.

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While I have lots of eggs,

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more eggs than most normal women,

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especially women of my age,

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I don\'t have the ability for those eggs

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to attach to my uterine wall.

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Unfortunately it means
I\'m going to have to have

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somebody else carry a baby for me.

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- She said don\'t get into
this if you don\'t want kids.

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You know, maybe not so many words,

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but I knew I knew coming
in she wanted children.

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- Yeah, I think I actually
use those exact words.

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- It may have been.
(laughing)

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She told me when we got together,

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when we were talking about
having to have a family,

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that we were gonna have to have fertility,

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we were going to have to have help.

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And that was fine.

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I didn\'t realize it was
going to be this much help.

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Well, the first time we tried

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was just your basic fertility drugs.

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Just to see if we can get one to take.

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And when that failed, we did the IUI\'s,

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I was like yeah this,
how could this not work?

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You\'re bam, there it is.

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How could it not work?

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- You know, this is the
best and brightest shot

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we had and it failed.

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When I went to the
gynecological oncologist,

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he did a biopsy on my uterus.

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I was really shocked.

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They were just like, we want
to do a hysterectomy, you know?

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Right now, you\'re precancerous.

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My doctor was like, I know you want this

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and I\'ll leave your ovaries there,

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but your uterus has got to come out.

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That was, that was...

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- [Brian] That was a hard day that day.

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- That was-
- When they told her

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they wanted to take the uterus out,

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because that was, that was them saying

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you will never carry a child.

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And no one\'s ever totally said,

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and Lisa\'s never listened to someone

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that could tell her she
could not do something.

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- Here you can see, this was
in my grandmother\'s backyard

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when I was a little girl.

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You can barely see this one.

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We bantered back and forth with adoption.

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- My brother\'s adopted,
you know, it works.

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It provides a good home
for a child that needs one,

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and we had no problem doing
that, if all else fails.

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- That\'s about it for those.

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There\'s a number of
hurdles for adoption in...

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Just for us, and in really it\'s me.

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And I might be selfish, I don\'t know.

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A lot of it has to do with my dad.

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I was a total daddy\'s girl.

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My dad died a slow death with
lymphoma and it wasn\'t pretty.

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He was smart and he was witty

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and I hope my kids have the chance to be

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witty and smart and silly like him.

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- Yeah, all I can say is, you know,

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any child we have together,
that\'s going a beautiful child.

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It really is.

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And I want to meet that child, you know?

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That\'s a child I want to meet.
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So that\'s when we started
looking at surrogacies.

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We had priced out doing it out of pocket

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and it was just way, way beyond reach.

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So that pretty much left us stalemated

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for a little while there.

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- I don\'t have a surrogate.

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I don\'t, you know, I
can\'t afford a surrogate.

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They want 25 to $35,000
just for the mother.

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My best friend Jennifer sent me an article

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about couples going to India
to do IVF and surrogacy.

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I found Planet Hospital.

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- More Americans are going the extra mile

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for affordable healthcare.

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- With some insurance companies

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promoting treatment in foreign lands.

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- The Los Angeles based Planet Hospital

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connects patients with 38 hospitals

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in 13 different countries.

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Places like Mexico,
Thailand, or even India,

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technology in hospitals...

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- Hello, this is Rudy
Rupak from Planet Hospital.

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I appreciate the time you
took to give me a call.

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Please let me return the favor

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by leaving me a name
and a telephone number.

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Thank you.
(line beeps)

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I\'m the co-founder of Planet Hospital,

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and what we do is we help
people get affordable healthcare

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from around the world,
including surrogacies.

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Yeah, yeah, sure.

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Okay, bye.

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Bye.

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It was going to happen
anyways, with or without us.

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I just want to put the same quality

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of protection and comfort and safety

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in surrogacy as I\'ve been doing on

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everything else that we do medically.

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(phone rings)

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Yes?

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Hi, it\'s Rudy.

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Hello, it\'s Rudy.

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We have all the answers,
from the whole process.

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From, you know, which
surrogate clinician they go to,

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all the way to, you know,

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what\'s the legal problems and
how do I bring my babies back?

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If the surrogate changes their mind

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and wants to keep the baby,
what\'s the legal recourse?

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Is this considered baby buying,

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or is it legitimately surrogacy?

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Hello, this is Rudy.

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- Hi Rudy, it\'s Lisa.

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- [Rudy] Hey Lisa, I was
just reading your email.

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- Oh, good.

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Do you know if they\'ve
found a surrogate yet?

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Hello?

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- [Rudy] Have they found a surrogate?

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Is that what you\'re asking me?
- Yeah.

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- [Rudy] They have not...

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They have not found the sur...

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They won\'t find the surrogate

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until they know when
your stipulation starts

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so that they can coordinate hers

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at the same time with yours.

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- Okay.

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- [Rudy] So, uh, that\'s
all the answers now, but,

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the surrogates are plentiful.

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- Are they?

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- Yeah.
- I didn\'t know that.

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Okay, well that\'s good to know.

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So they\'re just going to
wait until I hit my cycle

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and then they\'re going to go, okay,

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who\'s got a cycle at the same time?

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- [Rudy] Right, or they\'ll find somebody

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who could be ready at the same time,

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you know, and go accordingly.

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- I get you. Okay.

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- [Rudy] Okay?

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It\'s a country of a billion people.

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- Well, yeah.
(Rudy laughs)

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That\'s true, it is, but
not a billion are going

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to carry a baby for me, you know? (laughs)

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- [Rudy] No, but the odds are better, no?

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- Yeah, the odds are much
better there, you\'re right.

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- [Rudy] The odds will be four times

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better than the US, you know.

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The US population is 250.

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- Well, yeah, you got a point.

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You got a point. But that\'s good.

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Okay, I just wanted to make sure

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\'cause I\'d hate to, you know,

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here we are waiting on this cycle

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thinking we\'re going to go now

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and we have to wait another 30 days

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or we have to find a surrogate
or anything like that, so.

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- [Rudy] I hear ya.

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We\'ll get this going this coming week.

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- Sounds great.

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- We take away the guesswork

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by having a third-party facilitator
take care of everything.

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When it doesn\'t cost anything extra,

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I mean, why not have
the extra pair of brains

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and know-how to ease you along this

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because it\'s a stressful
situation as it is.

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Do you want to add the additional stress

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of everything that can go
wrong in a foreign country?

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(soft music)

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- $500 advertising for the surrogate.

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The preparation of the surrogate
and embryo transfer stage

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is $2,500 because they
have to do all her drugs

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to get her caught up with me

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and ready to receive a baby,
and then the IVF is $500.

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The surrogate actually gets $7,000

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for her carrying our baby.

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(soft music)

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- We want to make sure that,

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not that we don\'t trust
her, we don\'t know her,

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but that she\'s monitored,
you know, that she\'s...

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- Health-wise.

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- Health-wise. That she\'s healthy.

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(children laughing)

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- This woman is carrying
a life that I can\'t carry.

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She\'s giving me the family I can\'t create.

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You know, I\'ll never, never
be able to thank her enough.

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(soft music)

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(woman speaking in foreign language)

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(children speaking in foreign language)

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(Aasia speaking in foreign language)

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(soft, upbeat percussive music)

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- Here at Rotunda Center
for Human Reproduction.

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I have been associated with the center

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for the past six years.

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The past two years, we have seen a rise

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in patients coming from abroad.

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Hi.

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Initially it used to be
just around five to 10%.

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It used to be foreigners coming
into India for treatment.

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Now it\'s risen to around 15 to 20%.

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- Well this is from the
clinic in the United States.

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- I believe it\'s because
of the medical tourism

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and their publicity, and they don\'t have

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long waiting over here.

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We immediately plan their cycles.

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(upbeat percussive music)

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- Rotunda offers everything
in assisted reproduction

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and we have carved a niche for ourself

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in third-party reproduction
with pregnancy rates

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which match the best in the world.

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The price differential is too much,

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between 50,000 to 100,000 US dollars

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is what a North American couple pays

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for a cycle of surrogacy,
including lawyer fees.

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Which is they could do
eight or nine attempts

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at getting pregnant if
they come down to India

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as compared to one attempt
that they would do there.

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India is in this phase where everything

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is happening really fast.

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Somebody has to go on the path

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that has not been gone on before,

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so I feel that let\'s see,
it\'s a brave new world.

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Let\'s see what happens.

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- [Lisa] I got to go
before I get late to work.

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- [Brian] Be good.

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(kisses)

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- I\'ll work two jobs,
three jobs, I don\'t care.

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I get tired, but I\'m not
scared of a lot of work

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\'cause I know what the reward is.

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We\'ve put up our house.

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We sold it.

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We took the equity out,

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and we\'re going to gamble it on a baby.

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And we may end up with
nothing to show for it.

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Even though you don\'t see
me as heartfelt, I am.

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I\'m determined.

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I won\'t give this up.
I can\'t give this up.

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It is my dream.

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This is what I need be whole.

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- Well, we\'re looking forward to the trip.

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The excitement of going far
outweighs any fears we have.

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- Mumbai.
- There we go.

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- I was at the bookstore today

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and it says teacher yourself Hindi,

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and I thought, oh, that\'s just,

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oh, that\'s a train
wreck waiting to happen.

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- I have a tough enough time with English.

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I\'m also expecting at
least once for the people

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in the street to break
out into a choreographed

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song and dance scene.

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- Yes, Mr. Bollywood that you are.

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- It\'s gotta happen, man.

00:16:21.021 --> 00:16:22.614
It\'s gotta happen.

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(Brian chuckles)

00:16:23.791 --> 00:16:27.041
(bright, upbeat music)

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This guy is getting us there.

00:17:24.792 --> 00:17:25.700
(motorcycle honks)

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- [Lisa] Oh, god.

00:17:26.556 --> 00:17:28.401
- [Brian] They\'re honking
at us to get out of the way.

00:17:28.401 --> 00:17:29.334
(Lisa laughs)

00:17:29.334 --> 00:17:30.650
This is not even...

00:17:30.650 --> 00:17:33.513
Not even funny.
(Lisa laughs)

00:17:34.415 --> 00:17:37.165
(cars puttering)

00:17:40.168 --> 00:17:43.168
(people chattering)

00:17:45.888 --> 00:17:50.221
(man speaking in foreign language)

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- [Lisa] Baby, I need you
to put this in the fridge.

00:18:03.670 --> 00:18:05.780
This is, you know,
actually my fertile time

00:18:05.780 --> 00:18:08.940
to get an egg, so I have
to time it so that I

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keep taking the medicine because if I stop

00:18:10.690 --> 00:18:11.930
taking the medicine, I can, like,

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totally throw off my cycle.

00:18:14.460 --> 00:18:16.758
- [Brian] Where do you want
to take your shots today?

00:18:16.758 --> 00:18:18.920
- Left arm.
- Left arm day today.

00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:23.920
Lisa hates needles and she
has to get three shots a day.

00:18:25.221 --> 00:18:26.054
- Okay.

00:18:27.170 --> 00:18:29.490
- [Brian] I\'ve seen her
face fall more than once

00:18:29.490 --> 00:18:31.590
and at one point I was, I
was almost ready to say,

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you know what, enough.

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It\'s just not going to happen

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and I can\'t watch you
go through this again.

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Almost.

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So if these don\'t take, I don\'t
know what I can say to her.

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I think she\'s going to be
inconsolable, I really do.

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Done.

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Big baby.

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(soft music)

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- This is it.
- It is?

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- Yeah, just go in in
there, where the sign is.

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Hello.

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- Lisa?
- Yes, sir.

00:19:37.450 --> 00:19:39.030
- [Dr. Allahbadia] Hi, Dr. Allahbadia.

00:19:39.030 --> 00:19:40.098
- [Lisa] Nice to meet you.

00:19:40.098 --> 00:19:40.931
- Hi, I\'m Brian.
- Hi.

00:19:40.931 --> 00:19:41.850
- [Brian] Nice to meet you, sir.

00:19:41.850 --> 00:19:44.570
- First, what are you going to do is that

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this is the treatment chart.

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We\'ll ask you the dates and what doses

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the injections are given,
and we\'ll do a scan

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and tell you apparently where you are.

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- [Lisa] Okay.

00:19:56.138 --> 00:19:57.610
- You have eight eggs on the right

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and now on the left you have

00:20:00.130 --> 00:20:04.463
one, two, three, four
mature eggs on the left.

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- [Lisa] Do we get to meet the surrogate?

00:20:09.561 --> 00:20:11.730
- [Dr. Allahbadia] You don\'t
get to meet the surrogate.

00:20:11.730 --> 00:20:16.730
Your egg pick up is
going to be on the ninth.

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Embryo transfer into the surrogate

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is going to be on the 11th.

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- On the 11th.
- On Sunday.

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- [Dr. Allahbadia] Yes.

00:20:22.416 --> 00:20:23.249
- Since I can\'t meet her,

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can I bring her a present on the ninth

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for you all to give her?
- Yeah, sure.

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- It\'s not every day you get somebody

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to carry a baby for you.

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- [Dr. Allahbadia] Yeah.

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So everything seems all right.

00:20:33.274 --> 00:20:34.284
- Thank you very much for everything.

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- Thank you very much.
I hope this works out.

00:20:36.190 --> 00:20:37.448
- Thank you. Me too, yeah.

00:20:37.448 --> 00:20:38.281
- Bye bye.

00:20:46.541 --> 00:20:48.958
(soft music)

00:20:50.693 --> 00:20:55.193
(people speaking in foreign language)

00:20:56.529 --> 00:21:01.029
(Aasia speaking in foreign language)

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- A number of times when the surrogate

00:22:01.537 --> 00:22:03.750
and her husband comes and approaches me,

00:22:03.750 --> 00:22:05.857
the first question the
husband has to ask is

00:22:05.857 --> 00:22:08.700
are you just going to push
in sperms into my wife?

00:22:08.700 --> 00:22:11.030
You know, is it going to
be somebody else\'s baby?

00:22:11.030 --> 00:22:13.430
Somebody else\'s sperms? I don\'t want that.

00:22:13.430 --> 00:22:17.550
But it\'s when I educate them
and inform them that look,

00:22:17.550 --> 00:22:19.250
even the eggs are not hers.

00:22:19.250 --> 00:22:20.950
The baby\'s not hers.

00:22:20.950 --> 00:22:23.130
I\'m just going to prepare a baby outside

00:22:23.130 --> 00:22:24.810
and just put it into a uterus.

00:22:24.810 --> 00:22:26.560
I only need a uterus.

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That\'s when they are able to understand.

00:22:28.570 --> 00:22:30.940
- [Interviewer] And how
much do surrogates...

00:22:30.940 --> 00:22:32.490
- Sorry, that\'s administrative.

00:22:35.338 --> 00:22:39.338
(soft, upbeat percussive music)

00:22:46.421 --> 00:22:48.078
- [Brian] Look at the
ones hanging right there.

00:22:48.078 --> 00:22:49.886
- [Lisa] Those are cute.

00:22:49.886 --> 00:22:50.994
Do you have my size?

00:22:50.994 --> 00:22:52.494
- [Merchant] Yeah.

00:22:53.800 --> 00:22:54.927
- [Lisa] I need to take off my shoes.

00:22:54.927 --> 00:22:55.760
- [Man] No, no, no, go on in.

00:22:55.760 --> 00:22:56.593
- [Lisa] Are you sure?

00:22:56.593 --> 00:22:57.620
Okay.

00:22:57.620 --> 00:22:59.670
I\'ll take off my shoes.
- You are my guest.

00:22:59.670 --> 00:23:00.503
- That\'s a good looking shirt.

00:23:00.503 --> 00:23:02.603
- It\'s cool.
- Yeah, try that one.

00:23:02.603 --> 00:23:03.803
- See? That\'s a double XL.

00:23:03.803 --> 00:23:06.320
You got a better shot with a-
- Try that one.

00:23:06.320 --> 00:23:07.153
- Yeah.

00:23:07.153 --> 00:23:08.330
See that, fits.

00:23:08.330 --> 00:23:09.443
I\'m two XL.

00:23:10.610 --> 00:23:12.967
I\'m from Texas. We\'re bigger in Texas.

00:23:12.967 --> 00:23:14.102
(laughing)

00:23:14.102 --> 00:23:17.814
(man speaking in foreign language)

00:23:17.814 --> 00:23:18.660
- What\'s your name, sir?

00:23:18.660 --> 00:23:19.493
- Brian.

00:23:19.493 --> 00:23:20.610
- Brian?
- Yes.

00:23:20.610 --> 00:23:22.550
- Nice to meet you.
- You too, sir.

00:23:22.550 --> 00:23:25.632
- I want to explain to you
here is bargain system.

00:23:25.632 --> 00:23:27.104
- Okay.
- There is no fixed prices.

00:23:27.104 --> 00:23:27.937
- Okay.
- If you go to the

00:23:27.937 --> 00:23:29.660
biggest store, you can get
fixed prices over there.

00:23:29.660 --> 00:23:30.493
- Right.
- But you must

00:23:30.493 --> 00:23:31.769
bargain over here.

00:23:31.769 --> 00:23:33.977
I\'ll give you my price, you
have to tell me your price.

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Like this.
- Okay.

00:23:35.221 --> 00:23:37.442
- What\'s your name, sister?
- Lisa.

00:23:37.442 --> 00:23:38.525
- My name is Khan.

00:23:38.525 --> 00:23:41.010
Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you, Khan.

00:23:41.010 --> 00:23:42.063
- [Brian] That would be 54.

00:23:42.910 --> 00:23:44.857
- [Lisa] That still seems high.

00:23:44.857 --> 00:23:47.241
- [Brian] Yes.

00:23:47.241 --> 00:23:48.226
- First time here?
- Yes.

00:23:48.226 --> 00:23:50.133
First time.
- How do you like it?

00:23:50.133 --> 00:23:51.303
- It\'s not bad.

00:23:52.420 --> 00:23:55.190
I\'ve gotten used to it
because India is a lot busier

00:23:55.190 --> 00:23:56.023
than where we\'re from.
- Yes.

00:23:56.023 --> 00:23:57.670
- So it took a little
while of getting used to.

00:23:57.670 --> 00:23:58.910
- Yeah.
- But it\'s not bad.

00:23:58.910 --> 00:23:59.743
I like it.

00:23:59.743 --> 00:24:01.980
It\'s a little warm. (laughs)

00:24:01.980 --> 00:24:03.600
- So you saw the Taj Mahal and everything?

00:24:03.600 --> 00:24:05.370
- We haven\'t been there yet.

00:24:05.370 --> 00:24:06.290
Just Mumbai.

00:24:06.290 --> 00:24:07.137
- Just Mumbai?
- Uh huh.

00:24:07.137 --> 00:24:09.410
- Are you planning to go there?

00:24:09.410 --> 00:24:11.730
- Um, not this trip. We\'re
going to go next summer.

00:24:11.730 --> 00:24:12.630
We\'re going to come back to India.

00:24:12.630 --> 00:24:14.440
- Let us start the
bargain with you. Come on.

00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:16.454
Give me a good price.

00:24:16.454 --> 00:24:17.596
Please.

00:24:17.596 --> 00:24:19.120
- So 1100.

00:24:19.120 --> 00:24:21.042
1100 rupees.
- No, madam.

00:24:21.042 --> 00:24:21.875
(Brian laughs)

00:24:21.875 --> 00:24:22.890
- [Brian] Nice try.

00:24:22.890 --> 00:24:24.360
- Please, you are cutting my neck.

00:24:24.360 --> 00:24:26.150
- [Lisa] Yeah, but you\'re cutting $85.

00:24:26.150 --> 00:24:27.741
- Anyway, I\'m not going
to waste your time.

00:24:27.741 --> 00:24:28.980
Brian, have a look. You also look.

00:24:28.980 --> 00:24:31.107
I offer you this much, right?

00:24:32.230 --> 00:24:34.920
Believe me, you\'re
getting such a nice price.

00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:37.480
And your size, this is the main important.

00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:38.910
- Yeah.
- In my market,

00:24:38.910 --> 00:24:40.830
you won\'t get anywhere in your size.

00:24:40.830 --> 00:24:41.663
It\'s my challenge.

00:24:41.663 --> 00:24:43.352
If you get it now, I\'ll give free.

00:24:43.352 --> 00:24:44.461
As a friend, I\'m giving you.

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- And you are a good friend.

00:24:45.580 --> 00:24:47.940
- I\'m losing my profit, but
I\'m getting a nice customer.

00:24:47.940 --> 00:24:49.518
- That\'s right.
- In future.

00:24:49.518 --> 00:24:51.026
And I\'ll give you my card and everything.

00:24:51.026 --> 00:24:51.859
- \'Cause you know we\'re
coming back, right?

00:24:51.859 --> 00:24:53.660
- 100%, when you will come,

00:24:53.660 --> 00:24:55.307
you\'re gonna get in your size here.

00:24:55.307 --> 00:24:56.140
- Okay.

00:24:56.140 --> 00:24:57.502
- By chance, do I have 2200 rupees?

00:24:57.502 --> 00:24:58.502
- My friend.

00:25:01.194 --> 00:25:03.611
(soft music)

00:25:35.156 --> 00:25:36.270
- Hi!
- Hi!

00:25:36.270 --> 00:25:37.103
- Hi!

00:25:38.003 --> 00:25:39.560
- [Lisa] There\'s somebody else that

00:25:39.560 --> 00:25:42.727
I don\'t see and I don\'t know
and I have no contact with

00:25:42.727 --> 00:25:44.653
that\'s carrying a child for me.

00:25:47.690 --> 00:25:50.760
I worry about her because I look at what

00:25:50.760 --> 00:25:53.380
the standard of living is around here,

00:25:53.380 --> 00:25:55.550
and it\'s, you know, I
know that these women

00:25:55.550 --> 00:25:58.270
who are doing the surrogacy, you know,

00:25:58.270 --> 00:25:59.370
they\'re getting paid quite

00:25:59.370 --> 00:26:01.640
a bit of money by their standards.

00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:02.660
The living conditions here,

00:26:02.660 --> 00:26:05.050
I mean, it sounds elitist,

00:26:05.050 --> 00:26:07.470
because it\'s not Western
living conditions.

00:26:07.470 --> 00:26:10.170
These are very, very poor conditions.

00:26:10.170 --> 00:26:13.600
And you know, my heart goes out

00:26:13.600 --> 00:26:16.030
to the people who live this way,

00:26:16.030 --> 00:26:18.660
but they haven\'t known any
other life, I don\'t think,

00:26:18.660 --> 00:26:20.910
so it\'s kind of hard to...

00:26:20.910 --> 00:26:23.920
They\'ve adapted, it\'s just
not us that have adapted,

00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:26.920
but you still want people to
live a better life if they can.

00:26:27.760 --> 00:26:29.800
- [Brian] It makes me feel better to know

00:26:29.800 --> 00:26:32.440
that after it\'s over,
she\'s moving on upward

00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:33.900
and better to a better life.

00:26:35.814 --> 00:26:38.231
(soft music)

00:26:47.006 --> 00:26:50.923
(speaking in foreign language)

00:28:01.210 --> 00:28:06.210
- First of all, I think it\'s
a tremendous, tremendous gift

00:28:06.500 --> 00:28:09.350
and favor that this third person is doing

00:28:09.350 --> 00:28:10.600
for these American couples.

00:28:10.600 --> 00:28:13.130
We\'ve got people who a third party

00:28:13.130 --> 00:28:16.260
is willing to donate their kidney for cash

00:28:16.260 --> 00:28:18.690
or a node of their liver for cash.

00:28:18.690 --> 00:28:22.640
So there is that aspect, but
surrogacy is little benign

00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:26.860
in that the woman is not
doing an organ per se,

00:28:26.860 --> 00:28:31.700
but she\'s donating,
you know, a life cycle.

00:28:31.700 --> 00:28:35.350
If we were giving the surrogate
$500, $1,000, you know,

00:28:35.350 --> 00:28:37.280
that that makes a difference
in their lives too,

00:28:37.280 --> 00:28:38.557
because they\'ve never seen
that kind of money before.

00:28:38.557 --> 00:28:41.503
But no, we\'ll give them
a very good amount.

00:28:42.740 --> 00:28:44.860
Could we give them even more than that?

00:28:44.860 --> 00:28:48.800
Could we give them $10,000 or
$12,000 as opposed to $7,000?

00:28:48.800 --> 00:28:51.870
I suppose so, but then that
makes it less affordable

00:28:51.870 --> 00:28:55.393
for the Americans here, and
what\'s the point of that?

00:28:56.646 --> 00:29:01.063
(woman speaking in foreign language)

00:29:42.013 --> 00:29:45.513
(upbeat percussive music)

00:30:10.448 --> 00:30:12.460
- [Lisa] So what did Dr.
Allahbadia say to you-

00:30:12.460 --> 00:30:13.293
- [Brian] Nothing, he gave me a piece

00:30:13.293 --> 00:30:14.969
of candy for Diwali and-

00:30:14.969 --> 00:30:16.292
- [Lisa] Oh, you get candy for Diwali.

00:30:16.292 --> 00:30:17.507
I don\'t get anything but an IV.

00:30:20.322 --> 00:30:21.170
- [Brian] Can you tell I\'m anxious?

00:30:21.170 --> 00:30:22.003
- Yes.

00:30:23.060 --> 00:30:24.223
It\'s a little scary.

00:30:25.253 --> 00:30:26.497
\'Cause I\'ve done everything I can do

00:30:26.497 --> 00:30:29.363
and I\'ve fought every battle I can fight,

00:30:30.340 --> 00:30:33.773
and tried to plan for everything
and I just hope this works.

00:30:39.135 --> 00:30:41.587
(people chattering)

00:30:41.587 --> 00:30:42.420
I\'m not good with IVs.

00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:45.170
I\'m just saying I don\'t like IVs.

00:30:48.571 --> 00:30:50.988
(soft music)

00:31:16.987 --> 00:31:18.487
- [Man] It\'s over.

00:31:19.827 --> 00:31:21.287
Okay?
- How many eggs?

00:31:21.287 --> 00:31:23.983
- [Man] We\'ll tell you.
We have not counted still.

00:31:23.983 --> 00:31:26.639
Okay?

00:31:26.639 --> 00:31:29.056
(soft music)

00:31:30.974 --> 00:31:34.637
- [Brian] Geez, you okay?

00:31:34.637 --> 00:31:37.054
(soft music)

00:31:41.725 --> 00:31:44.165
- So we got 15 eggs?
- Yes.

00:31:44.165 --> 00:31:46.320
Whatever eggs you get, a
rough rule at the time is

00:31:46.320 --> 00:31:48.770
you get half the number of embryos

00:31:48.770 --> 00:31:52.290
finally for transfer, so
I\'m assuming if we get

00:31:52.290 --> 00:31:53.810
seven, eight embryos, we have to see

00:31:53.810 --> 00:31:56.850
what is the grade of embryos
and transfer the best in.

00:31:56.850 --> 00:31:59.865
So it can be definitely four or more.

00:31:59.865 --> 00:32:00.698
- Okay.

00:32:01.575 --> 00:32:04.135
But, I can\'t thank you
enough for everything.

00:32:04.135 --> 00:32:04.968
- [Dr. Allahbadia] Pleasurably.

00:32:04.968 --> 00:32:07.290
I just hope it all works out.

00:32:07.290 --> 00:32:09.008
Take care, rest today.

00:32:09.008 --> 00:32:10.047
- Thank you, Dr. Allahbadia.
- Okay, Brian?

00:32:10.047 --> 00:32:10.990
- Thank you.
- Bye bye.

00:32:10.990 --> 00:32:13.751
So there is a very auspicious
day at the end of that.

00:32:13.751 --> 00:32:15.202
- Well it\'s supposed to
be a lucky day, right?

00:32:15.202 --> 00:32:17.457
- It was just a coincidence
that it\'s today.

00:32:17.457 --> 00:32:18.290
- [Brian] Yeah.

00:32:18.290 --> 00:32:21.376
- And Diwali\'s a good day, so
we got eggs today, so yeah.

00:32:21.376 --> 00:32:22.459
- We\'re good.

00:32:24.209 --> 00:32:29.209
(fireworks whistling)
(soft music)

00:33:08.982 --> 00:33:12.899
(speaking in foreign language)

00:33:56.755 --> 00:33:59.389
(knocking)

00:33:59.389 --> 00:34:01.853
- Hello, madam.
- Hello, Aasia.

00:34:01.853 --> 00:34:04.103
- Hello, madam.
- Hello, hi.

00:34:10.553 --> 00:34:14.970
(Aasia speaking in foreign language)

00:34:20.283 --> 00:34:22.700
(soft music)

00:34:31.093 --> 00:34:33.620
- No freakin\' way.
- What?

00:34:33.620 --> 00:34:34.863
- Congratulations.

00:34:40.279 --> 00:34:41.112
Yes!

00:34:46.265 --> 00:34:47.185
We got a baby.

00:34:47.185 --> 00:34:48.397
We got a baby.

00:34:48.397 --> 00:34:50.950
We got a baby.
(laughing)

00:34:50.950 --> 00:34:52.681
- I told you.

00:34:52.681 --> 00:34:55.264
(Lisa sobbing)

00:34:58.477 --> 00:34:59.941
Hey, hey.

00:34:59.941 --> 00:35:01.853
Hey, this is a happy thing.

00:35:01.853 --> 00:35:04.186
Hey, look at me. Look at me.

00:35:05.111 --> 00:35:06.861
It\'s okay, it\'s okay.

00:35:08.578 --> 00:35:11.161
(Lisa sobbing)

00:35:12.747 --> 00:35:13.586
Hey.

00:35:13.586 --> 00:35:15.557
Breathe, breathe. Look at me.

00:35:15.557 --> 00:35:16.702
Breathe.

00:35:16.702 --> 00:35:19.166
- We got a baby.
- We got a baby.

00:35:19.166 --> 00:35:20.282
Hey.

00:35:20.282 --> 00:35:25.282
We got it.
(Lisa sobbing)

00:35:31.144 --> 00:35:35.561
(woman speaking in foreign language)

00:36:16.618 --> 00:36:21.118
(Aasia speaking in foreign language)

00:36:27.763 --> 00:36:31.680
(speaking in foreign language)

00:36:45.052 --> 00:36:47.020
- [Reporter] With low
costs and high quality,

00:36:47.020 --> 00:36:49.780
medical tourism is a trend
that\'s likely to grow.

00:36:49.780 --> 00:36:53.000
- How far would you go to
have a baby of your own?

00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:57.680
Lisa Ling followed Jennifer
to a remote town in India

00:36:57.680 --> 00:37:01.173
to witness her desperate
pursuit of motherhood.

00:37:02.722 --> 00:37:05.139
(soft music)

00:37:10.310 --> 00:37:12.924
- The lay press has been
interviewing couples

00:37:12.924 --> 00:37:15.970
who got babies from here
and putting out photographs

00:37:15.970 --> 00:37:19.283
of these couples with babies
in American newspapers.

00:37:20.130 --> 00:37:22.280
So this has sort of really given

00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:23.963
the whole thing a big boost.

00:37:26.520 --> 00:37:28.500
We have new companies like, you know,

00:37:28.500 --> 00:37:30.400
every month we have a new inquiry,

00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:32.180
a new medical tourism company.

00:37:32.180 --> 00:37:34.750
And suddenly we are seeing a whole lot

00:37:34.750 --> 00:37:37.100
of patient referrals from North America

00:37:37.100 --> 00:37:38.793
coming down to India.

00:37:41.220 --> 00:37:43.790
- We get about a 20, 30 inquiries a day.

00:37:43.790 --> 00:37:45.880
Since we\'ve been talking I\'ve had

00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:49.340
four surrogacy in the last two hours

00:37:49.340 --> 00:37:53.483
that we were just talking,
and let\'s see, how many IVFs?

00:37:56.515 --> 00:37:59.400
It was five IVF inquiries
that came in as well.

00:38:00.410 --> 00:38:04.080
- I went to work for Planet
Hospital to be a case manager.

00:38:04.080 --> 00:38:07.300
I do it part time along with
my other job that I have.

00:38:07.300 --> 00:38:09.740
But, you know, I did it really seriously

00:38:09.740 --> 00:38:14.330
to help other intended
parents make this journey

00:38:14.330 --> 00:38:16.390
and try and smooth out the waters

00:38:16.390 --> 00:38:18.010
and let them know what
the ups and downs are

00:38:18.010 --> 00:38:20.973
that you\'re going to face
every time you try this.

00:38:20.973 --> 00:38:23.461
(line trilling)

00:38:23.461 --> 00:38:24.294
- [Woman] Hi.

00:38:24.294 --> 00:38:25.360
- Carrie.

00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:26.425
- [Carrie] Hey there.

00:38:26.425 --> 00:38:27.917
- Hey, you. What are you doing?

00:38:27.917 --> 00:38:32.280
I have to let other couples
know that this is so viable

00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:35.740
and it\'s so real and it\'s
not about promoting myself

00:38:35.740 --> 00:38:37.917
or promoting Planet Hospital
or any of that stuff.

00:38:37.917 --> 00:38:40.010
And it\'s, I, you know, I told Rudy,

00:38:40.010 --> 00:38:41.830
I was like, you\'re going to hire me

00:38:41.830 --> 00:38:43.113
and I\'m going to do this,

00:38:44.072 --> 00:38:46.030
because, you know, I just believe in this.

00:38:46.030 --> 00:38:48.890
And I\'d love for every
person that I ever talked to

00:38:48.890 --> 00:38:51.100
to have this positive experience.

00:38:51.100 --> 00:38:52.050
- Hello, it\'s Rudy.

00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:55.723
Hi. How are you?

00:38:56.840 --> 00:38:57.840
I\'m well, thank you.

00:38:58.710 --> 00:39:00.630
I can tell you that the average surrogate

00:39:00.630 --> 00:39:04.010
is earning between four to $7,000.

00:39:04.010 --> 00:39:08.120
Next Wednesday there\'s
going to be a meeting

00:39:08.120 --> 00:39:11.720
at the general assembly
in India to discuss

00:39:11.720 --> 00:39:13.870
the regulations for
the surrogate industry.

00:39:18.230 --> 00:39:20.850
Well, they\'re going to
meet next Wednesday.

00:39:20.850 --> 00:39:21.760
How fast will they enact?

00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:22.770
Well, it\'s government for you,

00:39:22.770 --> 00:39:25.080
and it\'s an Indian government at that,

00:39:25.080 --> 00:39:28.030
you know, so I mean,
things pass kind of slowly

00:39:29.290 --> 00:39:30.180
in the states.

00:39:30.180 --> 00:39:32.843
Imagine how much more glacial
they would be in India.

00:39:34.600 --> 00:39:37.250
But I think they\'re
moving into it now because

00:39:37.250 --> 00:39:41.483
there\'s been more and more,
shall we say, a spotlight on it?

00:39:45.010 --> 00:39:49.633
- Dr. Allahbadia sent
me a request from NBC

00:39:50.520 --> 00:39:52.847
asking to speak to, you know,

00:39:52.847 --> 00:39:55.010
couples that had gone over
and were expecting a baby.

00:39:55.010 --> 00:39:58.150
And Dr. Allahbadia had sent
something to Rudy and I

00:39:58.150 --> 00:40:01.823
and Rudy asked me to
do it, so I said sure.

00:40:02.901 --> 00:40:05.984
(soft, upbeat music)

00:40:09.130 --> 00:40:11.203
- [Brian] My dad was little
worried about coming on NBC

00:40:11.203 --> 00:40:14.450
and not knowing is it going
to be just an interview

00:40:14.450 --> 00:40:16.140
to tell your story, how
interesting, you know,

00:40:16.140 --> 00:40:18.410
answer some questions, or
is it going to be a point,

00:40:18.410 --> 00:40:19.420
counterpoint type thing?

00:40:19.420 --> 00:40:21.190
Is there going to be, you
know, the pros and cons?

00:40:21.190 --> 00:40:23.039
We\'re the pros of it, you know,

00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:23.872
is there going to be someone there

00:40:23.872 --> 00:40:25.540
debating the cons of it with us?

00:40:25.540 --> 00:40:27.010
And I hope not \'cause that\'s not,

00:40:27.010 --> 00:40:31.080
you know, we are not the
spokespeople for the pros of this.

00:40:31.080 --> 00:40:32.780
You know, we\'re telling our story

00:40:32.780 --> 00:40:35.250
and telling other people out
there that this can be done

00:40:35.250 --> 00:40:36.540
and it can be done affordably.

00:40:36.540 --> 00:40:39.690
- [Lisa] Hey, look, look, look, look.

00:40:39.690 --> 00:40:40.908
- This morning we\'ll look at the trend

00:40:40.908 --> 00:40:42.620
and talk to an American couple

00:40:42.620 --> 00:40:44.707
that\'s actually in the process right now.

00:40:46.500 --> 00:40:48.280
- Oh, great picture.

00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:49.880
- [Woman] All right, we\'re good.

00:40:51.090 --> 00:40:52.830
- With the help of an Indian surrogate,

00:40:52.830 --> 00:40:55.420
Brian and Lisa Switzer
are now expecting twins.

00:40:55.420 --> 00:40:59.170
Women in India at childbirth are 69 times

00:40:59.170 --> 00:41:01.110
more likely to die during childbirth.

00:41:01.110 --> 00:41:03.460
There is a lot of concern
and criticism that

00:41:03.460 --> 00:41:06.260
this whole industry is unregulated,

00:41:06.260 --> 00:41:08.620
that there\'s strictly voluntary adherence

00:41:08.620 --> 00:41:10.310
to certain guidelines.

00:41:10.310 --> 00:41:12.090
- Seriously, this is an
important point for me

00:41:12.090 --> 00:41:15.420
because that statistic is
based on the entire nation

00:41:15.420 --> 00:41:17.290
and many women in India do not have

00:41:17.290 --> 00:41:18.750
any healthcare whatsoever.

00:41:18.750 --> 00:41:20.900
It\'s a rural area most of the time.

00:41:20.900 --> 00:41:23.850
So you are going to have a
higher death frequency there.

00:41:23.850 --> 00:41:27.010
But these surrogates,
they have a nutritionist,

00:41:27.010 --> 00:41:30.340
they have nurses that they
see at least every two weeks.

00:41:30.340 --> 00:41:32.370
I get ultrasounds all the time.

00:41:32.370 --> 00:41:36.210
So then the fear factor really went down

00:41:36.210 --> 00:41:37.890
when you see how much is
put into their health.

00:41:37.890 --> 00:41:40.830
- And this idea of it
being half a world away,

00:41:40.830 --> 00:41:43.970
you can\'t drop by in the afternoon
to see the surrogate mom.

00:41:43.970 --> 00:41:45.900
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

00:41:45.900 --> 00:41:49.210
- It\'s a bad thing because
we are a bit disconnected.

00:41:49.210 --> 00:41:51.690
You know, we can get
emails and they\'ll tell us

00:41:51.690 --> 00:41:54.040
that she\'s doing fine,
here\'s the ultrasounds,

00:41:54.040 --> 00:41:55.760
here\'s her reports, you know,

00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:57.890
of whatever levels they take, you know.

00:41:57.890 --> 00:42:00.280
So we know she\'s doing
fine, but it would be nice

00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:03.260
to watch the baby grow, you
know, and to feel it kick.

00:42:07.535 --> 00:42:09.952
(soft music)

00:42:18.666 --> 00:42:23.083
(Aasia speaking in foreign language)

00:44:11.002 --> 00:44:14.085
(television blaring)

00:44:18.838 --> 00:44:23.255
(Aasia speaking in foreign language)

00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:39.350
- There are many, many surrogate women.

00:44:39.350 --> 00:44:41.000
We don\'t know what is happening to them

00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:43.750
and their particular diet
and the particular regime,

00:44:43.750 --> 00:44:45.930
when to go, what to do, you know?

00:44:45.930 --> 00:44:48.973
Suppose if she has a
miscarriage, what will happen?

00:44:49.890 --> 00:44:51.520
And we have a lot of questions.

00:44:51.520 --> 00:44:54.360
- Women\'s bodies have always been

00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:58.750
a kind of a battleground
or used by the state

00:44:58.750 --> 00:45:02.120
to impose certain, um,

00:45:02.120 --> 00:45:05.490
certain regimen, certain regulation

00:45:05.490 --> 00:45:07.740
to control women\'s bodies.

00:45:07.740 --> 00:45:09.140
When we are working on issues

00:45:09.140 --> 00:45:10.970
of course, the population policies,

00:45:10.970 --> 00:45:15.190
we also came across assisted
reproductive technologies.

00:45:15.190 --> 00:45:18.970
So the trajectory was from
controlling women\'s bodies

00:45:18.970 --> 00:45:22.130
to control her fertility to ensure that

00:45:22.130 --> 00:45:27.130
she does not conceive, to
technologies that were being used

00:45:28.520 --> 00:45:33.110
to promote or to ensure
that she conceives.

00:45:33.110 --> 00:45:36.250
- The focus for summer
is the larger framework.

00:45:36.250 --> 00:45:38.900
You know, what is the role
by the commissioning parents

00:45:38.900 --> 00:45:41.620
or the intended couple,
whatever we call them?

00:45:41.620 --> 00:45:43.450
What is the role of the state?

00:45:43.450 --> 00:45:46.880
Our demand was they
should understand the fact

00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:50.950
that the surrogate mother
has a bodily integrity

00:45:50.950 --> 00:45:52.103
and an autonomy.

00:45:58.330 --> 00:46:01.550
- I started showing my coworkers
the Today Show website.

00:46:01.550 --> 00:46:03.390
They got this section here called

00:46:03.390 --> 00:46:04.850
discuss, what do you think?

00:46:04.850 --> 00:46:05.683
And I thought, oh, well,

00:46:05.683 --> 00:46:08.150
let\'s see what everybody else thinks.

00:46:08.150 --> 00:46:10.640
And the first two started out very nice.

00:46:10.640 --> 00:46:12.580
You know, what\'s the
legal status, you know,

00:46:12.580 --> 00:46:14.750
is there any immigration issues?

00:46:14.750 --> 00:46:16.360
Things of that nature.

00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:18.280
And then it got ugly.

00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:20.500
People started saying things
like, \"The use of surrogates

00:46:20.500 --> 00:46:23.080
is a disgusting and immoral
practice to begin with,

00:46:23.080 --> 00:46:26.170
but then to farm it out like
cheap labor to women in India?

00:46:26.170 --> 00:46:28.640
We should be disgusted and ashamed.\"

00:46:28.640 --> 00:46:32.000
And then you get the oh hey,
it\'s all about saving money.

00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:33.710
You know, what about adopting?

00:46:33.710 --> 00:46:36.730
And there were more people telling us

00:46:36.730 --> 00:46:39.070
you should have adopted,
you should have adopted.

00:46:39.070 --> 00:46:41.550
Well, that\'s placing
the entire orphan issue

00:46:41.550 --> 00:46:44.270
on the shoulders of infertile couples.

00:46:44.270 --> 00:46:47.730
By their argument, anybody
who\'s ever proactively

00:46:47.730 --> 00:46:49.960
tried to get pregnant
together and succeeded

00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:51.290
and had their own children

00:46:51.290 --> 00:46:53.965
has robbed an orphan of a loving home.

00:46:53.965 --> 00:46:55.090
Plain and simple.

00:46:55.090 --> 00:46:56.380
So don\'t place that burden

00:46:56.380 --> 00:46:57.990
on the infertile couples out there.

00:46:57.990 --> 00:47:00.080
And what kills me is everybody\'s screaming

00:47:00.080 --> 00:47:02.070
about the surrogacy issue.

00:47:02.070 --> 00:47:03.840
Oh, it\'s a baby mill.

00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:05.940
You know, it\'s a puppy farm. And it\'s not.

00:47:07.297 --> 00:47:10.340
\"I believe we are heading
into murky moral waters here.

00:47:10.340 --> 00:47:12.010
It is not that I am against surrogacy,

00:47:12.010 --> 00:47:13.730
but rather greatly concerned that babies

00:47:13.730 --> 00:47:16.140
and wombs are for sale and
the fact that a business

00:47:16.140 --> 00:47:18.170
has once again been set up in a country

00:47:18.170 --> 00:47:19.880
that has more people in need of money

00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:22.150
and will work or become
a surrogate for far less

00:47:22.150 --> 00:47:24.030
than would be legal in this country.

00:47:24.030 --> 00:47:25.530
This is a major ethical dilemma

00:47:25.530 --> 00:47:27.410
that needs to be addressed carefully.\"

00:47:27.410 --> 00:47:29.683
Well, that was actually
an intelligent post.

00:47:31.390 --> 00:47:33.710
Someone who\'s looking at the
bigger picture, you know,

00:47:33.710 --> 00:47:36.680
and is concerned about the
protection of the Indian people.

00:47:36.680 --> 00:47:37.810
And I get that.

00:47:37.810 --> 00:47:41.040
I felt I had to defend Lisa and I,

00:47:41.040 --> 00:47:43.780
as well as every other non-Indian

00:47:43.780 --> 00:47:45.460
that\'s going to India to have this done.

00:47:45.460 --> 00:47:48.280
So here\'s what I wrote to all these people

00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:50.277
that were just viewing this hateful talk.

00:47:50.277 --> 00:47:52.270
\"The surrogates are well compensated

00:47:52.270 --> 00:47:54.030
in line with their local economy.

00:47:54.030 --> 00:47:56.630
I have seen poverty unlike
anything I could have imagined

00:47:56.630 --> 00:47:58.410
and knowing what this
process is going to do

00:47:58.410 --> 00:48:00.720
for the surrogate and her
family in the long run

00:48:00.720 --> 00:48:02.570
makes me realize that
this is a very good thing

00:48:02.570 --> 00:48:04.250
for all parties involved.\"

00:48:04.250 --> 00:48:07.417
- The fact is, is that the
surrogate actually gets

00:48:07.417 --> 00:48:10.580
$7,000 for carrying our baby.

00:48:10.580 --> 00:48:12.460
She\'s doing me the biggest service

00:48:12.460 --> 00:48:13.870
any one human can do for another.

00:48:13.870 --> 00:48:16.160
She\'s donating part of her body.

00:48:16.160 --> 00:48:17.640
She\'s growing my children.

00:48:17.640 --> 00:48:20.283
She\'s nurturing my
children for nine months.

00:48:23.150 --> 00:48:25.937
And I am forever, ever grateful to her.

00:48:28.686 --> 00:48:31.103
(soft music)

00:48:47.686 --> 00:48:52.186
(Aasia speaking in foreign language)

00:49:44.902 --> 00:49:48.485
(upbeat percussive music)

00:50:20.336 --> 00:50:21.610
- I\'ve been waiting for this my whole life

00:50:21.610 --> 00:50:24.010
and I just haven\'t been able to,

00:50:24.010 --> 00:50:25.250
to feel like a mom.

00:50:25.250 --> 00:50:27.100
I wanted to have this baby shower.

00:50:27.100 --> 00:50:28.290
I wanted to do this baby shower

00:50:28.290 --> 00:50:30.650
and I wanted to do it pretty
and I wanted to do it nice.

00:50:30.650 --> 00:50:34.068
This is my chance to be a mom.

00:50:34.068 --> 00:50:35.401
Feel like a mom.

00:50:36.746 --> 00:50:40.246
(upbeat percussive music)

00:50:54.590 --> 00:50:58.820
You know, I look at what it
took to create these children

00:50:58.820 --> 00:51:01.030
and where everybody came from.

00:51:01.030 --> 00:51:04.596
The fact that even science
was mixed into this,

00:51:04.596 --> 00:51:08.670
and you have a Baptist, a Catholic,

00:51:08.670 --> 00:51:11.720
a Muslim surrogate, a Hindi doctor,

00:51:11.720 --> 00:51:14.870
and a lot of really good
science to create these twins,

00:51:14.870 --> 00:51:18.560
and my kids will know
exactly how special they are.

00:51:18.560 --> 00:51:21.484
They are unique. They are special.

00:51:21.484 --> 00:51:23.720
They are against all the odds.

00:51:26.308 --> 00:51:29.308
(soft, tense music)

00:51:36.138 --> 00:51:40.555
(Aasia speaking in foreign language)

00:52:06.230 --> 00:52:08.390
- I got a call early in the morning

00:52:08.390 --> 00:52:11.953
at eight o\'clock from Aasia
from the surrogacy home.

00:52:14.020 --> 00:52:16.580
That\'s when we acted very promptly.

00:52:16.580 --> 00:52:20.740
Arranged for a vehicle to be
sent to the surrogacy home

00:52:20.740 --> 00:52:22.943
to immediately take her to the hospital.

00:52:25.590 --> 00:52:29.520
On examination, she had a
little but antepartum hemorrhage

00:52:29.520 --> 00:52:31.700
and the decision was taken to take her up

00:52:31.700 --> 00:52:34.060
for a caesarian section immediately

00:52:34.060 --> 00:52:36.573
without wasting any time.

00:52:37.970 --> 00:52:39.800
She delivered two baby girls,

00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:42.093
each weighing 1.5 kgs.

00:52:44.774 --> 00:52:47.774
(soft, tense music)

00:52:50.215 --> 00:52:55.215
(people chattering)
(soft, tense music)

00:53:16.583 --> 00:53:19.250
(phone ringing)

00:53:20.483 --> 00:53:21.316
- Hello?

00:53:23.003 --> 00:53:24.567
Okay, let me ask you this.

00:53:24.567 --> 00:53:26.393
Um, can I see my children tonight?

00:53:28.610 --> 00:53:30.260
Okay, okay, \'cause I mean, I\'m just,

00:53:30.260 --> 00:53:31.510
I\'m kind of freaking out.

00:53:39.999 --> 00:53:43.960
I am in India by myself
without my husband.

00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:45.803
Yeah, he had to stay for work.

00:53:48.150 --> 00:53:48.983
Are you there?

00:53:50.171 --> 00:53:51.500
Did I lose you? I lost you.

00:53:51.500 --> 00:53:52.333
Dang it.

00:53:55.290 --> 00:53:57.033
That\'s going to be an expensive call.

00:54:03.507 --> 00:54:05.140
Oh, I haven\'t slept in 36 hours.

00:54:05.140 --> 00:54:07.040
No, I just want to go see my children.

00:54:10.429 --> 00:54:12.846
(soft music)

00:55:02.140 --> 00:55:02.993
This is Kelsey.

00:55:05.070 --> 00:55:06.920
She\'s a little fighter, she\'s feisty.

00:55:09.438 --> 00:55:12.605
(phone line trilling)

00:55:15.150 --> 00:55:16.190
- [Brian] I didn\'t sleep well last night

00:55:16.190 --> 00:55:19.626
because I worried about
you going to India,

00:55:19.626 --> 00:55:21.850
worried about the girls, if
they were going to be okay.

00:55:21.850 --> 00:55:24.200
- They look great, you know.

00:55:24.200 --> 00:55:25.033
They got me inside.

00:55:25.033 --> 00:55:28.050
I got all washed up, put on
the scrub top, the whole works,

00:55:28.050 --> 00:55:32.000
and I got to old Kelsey
because Riley\'s still

00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:34.270
in the oxygen tent tonight,
they won\'t let me hold her,

00:55:34.270 --> 00:55:36.503
but probably tomorrow
I\'ll get to hold her.

00:55:37.890 --> 00:55:39.555
- [Brian] You didn\'t
meet our surrogate yet?

00:55:39.555 --> 00:55:40.388
- No, no.

00:55:40.388 --> 00:55:41.914
I mean, it was after midnight night,

00:55:41.914 --> 00:55:44.450
and I didn\'t know what the protocol was

00:55:44.450 --> 00:55:47.367
and I didn\'t want to
step on anybody\'s toes.

00:55:47.367 --> 00:55:48.283
- Understandable.

00:55:49.670 --> 00:55:51.423
You get some sleep.

00:55:51.423 --> 00:55:52.790
- Yeah.

00:55:52.790 --> 00:55:54.092
- [Brian] And I love you.

00:55:54.092 --> 00:55:56.201
- I love you too, baby.
- Now more than ever.

00:55:56.201 --> 00:55:57.691
(Lisa laughs)

00:55:57.691 --> 00:55:59.108
I love you.
- Bye.

00:56:00.877 --> 00:56:03.294
(soft music)

00:56:05.761 --> 00:56:08.428
(phone ringing)

00:56:11.714 --> 00:56:13.797
- [Dr. Allahbadia] Hello?

00:56:14.689 --> 00:56:17.106
(soft music)

00:56:23.100 --> 00:56:25.540
- It seems that we\'re having trouble

00:56:25.540 --> 00:56:27.510
with the administrators of the hospital

00:56:27.510 --> 00:56:29.513
where my surrogate had her baby.

00:56:31.060 --> 00:56:34.260
The doctors at the hospital
have been excellent.

00:56:34.260 --> 00:56:37.160
My babies have gotten excellent care,

00:56:37.160 --> 00:56:39.500
but the administrators are

00:56:40.520 --> 00:56:43.684
giving us trouble with
the birth certificate.

00:56:43.684 --> 00:56:45.267
- Okay, thank you.

00:56:47.370 --> 00:56:48.203
We couldn\'t help it.

00:56:48.203 --> 00:56:50.380
This hospital was the closest hospital.

00:56:50.380 --> 00:56:52.570
And I had talked to the
doctor who was going

00:56:52.570 --> 00:56:54.530
to be delivering the baby.

00:56:54.530 --> 00:56:56.290
I told them this is a surrogate mother

00:56:56.290 --> 00:56:59.160
and we have all the paperwork in order.

00:56:59.160 --> 00:57:01.810
Somebody big, they, you know,

00:57:01.810 --> 00:57:06.323
their medical legal advisor
jammed up the entire process.

00:57:09.610 --> 00:57:11.920
- The hospital, because
they don\'t normally

00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:13.540
work with Dr. Allahbadia,

00:57:13.540 --> 00:57:16.277
is trying to put the birth certificate

00:57:16.277 --> 00:57:18.653
in the name of the surrogate.

00:57:18.653 --> 00:57:21.383
So we have to go
straighten this out today.

00:57:24.270 --> 00:57:26.860
We did not have a good first meeting.

00:57:26.860 --> 00:57:29.710
I was called into the
administrator\'s office.

00:57:29.710 --> 00:57:32.723
I sat down and she
promptly asked me to leave.

00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:35.313
You know, these are my babies.

00:57:35.313 --> 00:57:37.610
I\'ve gone through all of this

00:57:37.610 --> 00:57:39.230
and these people are just like,

00:57:39.230 --> 00:57:41.300
well it\'s not our problem
and you can adopt.

00:57:41.300 --> 00:57:44.370
But these are my genetic
children and, you know,

00:57:45.557 --> 00:57:49.205
I shouldn\'t have to go through this.

00:57:49.205 --> 00:57:54.038
And I\'m praying to God this
driver knows where he\'s going.

00:57:57.650 --> 00:57:59.263
(phone ringing)

00:57:59.263 --> 00:58:00.346
- Dr. Sharma.

00:58:02.100 --> 00:58:03.350
I\'m outside the hospital.

00:58:04.194 --> 00:58:06.432
The patient is with me.

00:58:06.432 --> 00:58:09.410
The genetic mother.
She\'s with me in the car.

00:58:09.410 --> 00:58:11.540
So she is very upset.

00:58:11.540 --> 00:58:13.970
Just talk to her and
tell her that, you know,

00:58:13.970 --> 00:58:16.290
legally, everything is all right.

00:58:16.290 --> 00:58:18.361
Because he\'s insisting

00:58:18.361 --> 00:58:20.570
certificate should be given in the name

00:58:20.570 --> 00:58:24.140
of the surrogate mother and
let the genetic mother adopt.

00:58:24.140 --> 00:58:25.040
This is crazy.

00:58:25.040 --> 00:58:26.694
Yeah, yeah.

00:58:26.694 --> 00:58:27.547
Just speak to Lisa.

00:58:27.547 --> 00:58:29.053
Her name is Lisa Switzer.

00:58:31.370 --> 00:58:35.703
- The medical legal expert
has been very rude to me.

00:58:36.774 --> 00:58:40.441
- [Dr. Sharma] I would
like to talk to them.

00:58:41.583 --> 00:58:44.815
I have already requested Dr. Allahbadia

00:58:44.815 --> 00:58:48.065
that please try to arrange a discussion

00:58:50.592 --> 00:58:54.678
with me and the doctor of
that particular hospital,

00:58:54.678 --> 00:58:56.440
and I will try to convince him.

00:58:56.440 --> 00:58:59.082
- Well I do appreciate
your help because this is-

00:58:59.082 --> 00:59:00.673
- [Dr. Sharma] Yes, I
will to convince him.

00:59:00.673 --> 00:59:02.900
- This is very stressing already.

00:59:04.660 --> 00:59:05.583
- [Dr. Sharma] Can I
talk to Dr. Allahbadia?

00:59:06.420 --> 00:59:07.488
- Sure.

00:59:07.488 --> 00:59:11.405
(speaking in foreign language)

00:59:29.052 --> 00:59:31.738
- [Dr. Allahbadia] Thank you very much.

00:59:31.738 --> 00:59:34.160
- ICMR is basically an advisory board body

00:59:34.160 --> 00:59:35.955
to the government of India.

00:59:35.955 --> 00:59:39.436
There was a mushrooming of
ART clinics in the country.

00:59:39.436 --> 00:59:41.396
Almost all the clinics,

00:59:41.396 --> 00:59:43.800
they are practicing surrogacy.

00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:45.290
The government of India\'s
Ministry of Health

00:59:45.290 --> 00:59:47.690
asked that ICMR should do something,

00:59:47.690 --> 00:59:49.670
some guidelines should be there,

00:59:49.670 --> 00:59:51.740
because there\'s a lot
of unethical practices

00:59:51.740 --> 00:59:52.640
that are going on.

00:59:53.600 --> 00:59:56.080
Although our government has
circulated these guidelines

00:59:56.080 --> 01:00:00.160
to all the states, guidelines
are not mandatory to follow.

01:00:00.160 --> 01:00:02.010
It is, you know, legal power in this.

01:00:02.010 --> 01:00:04.890
There\'s no mandatory
things in this document.

01:00:04.890 --> 01:00:06.090
If somebody follows, it\'s fine.

01:00:06.090 --> 01:00:07.650
If somebody doesn\'t follow this,

01:00:07.650 --> 01:00:09.433
you can\'t force them to do so.

01:00:10.590 --> 01:00:12.920
My job is not acting as a policeman.

01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:14.790
At this moment, this is a guideline.

01:00:14.790 --> 01:00:16.600
This is not a law.

01:00:16.600 --> 01:00:18.290
- I\'m scared. I mean, I\'m really scared.

01:00:18.290 --> 01:00:20.320
I mean, I want to bond with my children

01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:24.910
in a much more meaningful
level, much more deeper level,

01:00:24.910 --> 01:00:29.480
but I\'m scared to death at
this point of the attachment.

01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:30.690
What is it going to do to me?

01:00:30.690 --> 01:00:32.270
What are these people
doing to my children?

01:00:32.270 --> 01:00:34.090
What\'s going to happen
when they decide, oh no,

01:00:34.090 --> 01:00:35.080
this isn\'t good enough?

01:00:35.080 --> 01:00:36.600
Or what, are they going
to keep my children

01:00:36.600 --> 01:00:38.710
or are they gonna, you know...

01:00:38.710 --> 01:00:40.300
Now I got to get the
state department involved?

01:00:40.300 --> 01:00:42.426
I mean, holy crap.

01:00:42.426 --> 01:00:45.593
(phone line trilling)

01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:49.567
Yes, ma\'am, my name is Lisa Switzer.

01:00:49.567 --> 01:00:51.690
I\'m an American citizen

01:00:51.690 --> 01:00:55.310
and I have twins that
were born from surrogacy

01:00:57.017 --> 01:01:00.363
and the hospital is
causing problems for me.

01:01:01.950 --> 01:01:04.928
They don\'t want to
release my children to me.

01:01:04.928 --> 01:01:05.890
My children are in the NICU.

01:01:05.890 --> 01:01:08.400
They\'re saying they won\'t give
me the birth certificates.

01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:10.800
They\'re saying the US
Embassy needs to be involved.

01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:12.300
I need to make an appointment.

01:01:16.860 --> 01:01:18.720
Yes, and they don\'t want
to talk to the doctor.

01:01:18.720 --> 01:01:21.130
They have told the doctor that they want

01:01:21.130 --> 01:01:22.883
the US Embassy to do this.

01:01:23.850 --> 01:01:25.740
I\'m in a very precarious position

01:01:25.740 --> 01:01:27.040
because I have no authority.

01:01:27.040 --> 01:01:29.123
They will not even speak to me.

01:01:31.843 --> 01:01:34.260
(soft music)

01:01:39.380 --> 01:01:40.340
Okay.

01:01:40.340 --> 01:01:42.680
Great, and I\'ll call Dr. Allahbadia now

01:01:42.680 --> 01:01:45.330
and tell him to be on the
lookout for your call.

01:01:45.330 --> 01:01:48.320
- A lot of American citizens
when they call us for help,

01:01:48.320 --> 01:01:49.390
because there is a problem,

01:01:49.390 --> 01:01:51.250
they want somebody to take responsibility.

01:01:51.250 --> 01:01:53.680
They ask us to act as their
lawyer and we can\'t do that.

01:01:53.680 --> 01:01:55.790
We can\'t act as legal counsel.

01:01:55.790 --> 01:01:58.320
Really, the responsibility
is shared by everyone.

01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:02.080
Lisa gave me the contacts for her clinic

01:02:02.080 --> 01:02:04.110
and she gave me the names of the people

01:02:04.110 --> 01:02:06.000
that were involved at the hospital.

01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:08.940
So really we just started reaching out.

01:02:08.940 --> 01:02:10.630
This is a new era for everybody,

01:02:10.630 --> 01:02:13.770
so there are different
organizations and local governments

01:02:13.770 --> 01:02:16.490
that are on their way to
establishing those protocols.

01:02:16.490 --> 01:02:18.840
But this is definitely
a new era for everybody.

01:02:21.441 --> 01:02:23.858
(soft music)

01:02:30.393 --> 01:02:34.810
(Sanno speaking in foreign language)

01:03:20.565 --> 01:03:22.982
(soft music)

01:03:24.897 --> 01:03:28.433
- The hospital only agreed
to let us do the DNA test.

01:03:29.390 --> 01:03:32.500
It\'s probably the first
time in a very long time

01:03:32.500 --> 01:03:35.250
that I have felt like I have
any control over anything.

01:03:37.057 --> 01:03:38.620
I need really small.

01:03:38.620 --> 01:03:39.453
Newborn.

01:03:40.406 --> 01:03:44.690
Newborn baby.

01:03:44.690 --> 01:03:47.863
I need newborn clothes. Baby clothes.

01:03:47.863 --> 01:03:48.696
- [Man] Baby clothes.

01:03:48.696 --> 01:03:49.853
- Yeah, two girls.

01:03:53.300 --> 01:03:54.853
Okay. That\'s too big.

01:03:56.625 --> 01:03:58.170
Smaller.

01:03:58.170 --> 01:03:59.383
Too big, but cute.

01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:03.373
That\'s closer.

01:04:05.570 --> 01:04:07.390
That\'s too big. That\'s way too big.

01:04:07.390 --> 01:04:10.362
The babies are smaller than this.

01:04:10.362 --> 01:04:11.195
They\'re little.

01:04:11.195 --> 01:04:12.445
They\'re like...

01:04:14.010 --> 01:04:15.890
1.5 kilogram.

01:04:15.890 --> 01:04:17.040
How do you say preemie?

01:04:19.460 --> 01:04:20.910
I still think that\'s too big.

01:04:22.040 --> 01:04:23.040
That\'s better, yeah.

01:04:24.060 --> 01:04:24.893
That\'s a boy.

01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:27.650
No, that\'s a boy.

01:04:27.650 --> 01:04:28.483
That\'s a boy.

01:04:30.020 --> 01:04:31.870
Let\'s see if we can, we can show you.

01:04:35.550 --> 01:04:38.290
That\'s how small my baby is, okay?

01:04:38.290 --> 01:04:40.300
She\'s little.
- Very tiny.

01:04:40.300 --> 01:04:44.620
- Very tiny.
- Yeah.

01:04:44.620 --> 01:04:45.743
- There we go.

01:04:47.220 --> 01:04:49.433
Do you have little pacifiers?

01:04:50.565 --> 01:04:52.830
(upbeat percussive music)

01:04:52.830 --> 01:04:54.973
These poor guys are going
to be folding all week.

01:04:57.116 --> 01:05:00.616
(upbeat percussive music)

01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:07.350
- Surrogacy is something very complex.

01:05:07.350 --> 01:05:10.240
Some countries are adhering to it,

01:05:10.240 --> 01:05:14.160
some countries prefer to wait until

01:05:14.160 --> 01:05:17.150
a proper blueprint is put into place.

01:05:17.150 --> 01:05:22.150
It is a controversial and at
times a very complex situation

01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:25.183
that is unpleasant for all the parties.

01:05:29.319 --> 01:05:30.439
- [Woman] Hello?

01:05:30.439 --> 01:05:31.786
- [Lisa] Mama?

01:05:31.786 --> 01:05:33.800
- [Woman] I don\'t understand.

01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:37.130
Why are they keeping you from the babies?

01:05:37.130 --> 01:05:38.980
- This morning, I went
over to the hospital

01:05:38.980 --> 01:05:40.230
\'cause I thought, well, okay,

01:05:40.230 --> 01:05:41.063
they\'re gonna let me do the buccal swabs.

01:05:41.063 --> 01:05:42.270
We\'re finally moving forward,

01:05:42.270 --> 01:05:43.630
all of these things are happening.

01:05:43.630 --> 01:05:45.913
And then, you know, we take 10 steps back.

01:05:47.160 --> 01:05:49.940
When I got there, you
know, I had DNA swab.

01:05:49.940 --> 01:05:51.040
I had them in my hand.

01:05:51.040 --> 01:05:53.840
They\'re already marked one
for Kelsey, one for Riley.

01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:55.590
I called the nurse over.

01:05:55.590 --> 01:05:58.570
Next thing I know this woman
is jumping down my throat

01:06:00.720 --> 01:06:03.010
saying you told me you were
sending these to the embassies

01:06:03.010 --> 01:06:03.980
and I know that\'s a lie.

01:06:03.980 --> 01:06:05.260
And I said, no, I never said I was sending

01:06:05.260 --> 01:06:06.093
this to the Embassy.

01:06:06.093 --> 01:06:08.140
I said I was going back
to the clinic with it

01:06:08.140 --> 01:06:10.830
and we were sending it to
a lab that was certified,

01:06:10.830 --> 01:06:13.120
that the Embassy would
recognize as, you know,

01:06:13.120 --> 01:06:15.240
a genetic testing center.

01:06:15.240 --> 01:06:18.140
And she says, well, I
haven\'t seen you before.

01:06:18.140 --> 01:06:20.070
Yesterday, it was the first
time I\'ve ever seen you

01:06:20.070 --> 01:06:23.710
and you know, I don\'t know who
you are and I run this NICU.

01:06:23.710 --> 01:06:25.580
I\'m in charge of it, and what I say goes,

01:06:25.580 --> 01:06:28.073
and you are not allowed to
see your children anymore.

01:06:29.580 --> 01:06:31.980
- [Woman] Well what does
Rudy say to all this?

01:06:31.980 --> 01:06:33.720
- Well Rudy says it\'s not right, you know,

01:06:33.720 --> 01:06:36.480
but, there\'s nothing
Rudy can do about this.

01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:37.890
This has nothing to do with Rudy.

01:06:37.890 --> 01:06:39.480
This is, you know, it\'s
out of his control.

01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:41.622
It\'s out of Allahbadia\'s control.

01:06:41.622 --> 01:06:46.000
- [Woman] Well what
are you supposed to do?

01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:46.833
- Wait.

01:06:47.720 --> 01:06:50.717
Let other people fight it out
for me, let the US Embassy,

01:06:50.717 --> 01:06:54.457
let the Indian government,
all of this, fight it out.

01:06:57.680 --> 01:06:58.630
- [Woman] Oh, baby.

01:07:02.195 --> 01:07:03.028
I just...

01:07:04.250 --> 01:07:05.083
- I love you.

01:07:07.157 --> 01:07:09.994
- [Woman] I love you too, precious.

01:07:09.994 --> 01:07:11.327
You\'re my angel.

01:07:13.834 --> 01:07:16.251
(soft music)

01:07:22.934 --> 01:07:27.351
(Sanno speaking in foreign language)

01:08:10.770 --> 01:08:12.050
- I just don\'t need one more problem

01:08:12.050 --> 01:08:14.100
and yet here I am facing another problem.

01:08:16.270 --> 01:08:18.440
The surrogate looked for me yesterday.

01:08:18.440 --> 01:08:20.880
Aasia\'s afraid that she\'s
not going to get paid

01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:23.150
any more money or that she\'s only

01:08:23.150 --> 01:08:24.850
being paid one lakh, and I...

01:08:26.690 --> 01:08:28.100
I don\'t know how I got
brought into the middle

01:08:28.100 --> 01:08:31.270
of her payment history, but
now I\'m in the middle of it.

01:08:31.270 --> 01:08:33.440
So now I\'ve got to go be
an advocate for Aasia,

01:08:33.440 --> 01:08:34.910
\'cause I certainly don\'t want to be

01:08:34.910 --> 01:08:36.573
a non-advocate for Aasia.

01:08:38.240 --> 01:08:39.880
She\'s asking me to talk to the clinic

01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:41.730
and ask them why they haven\'t paid.

01:08:41.730 --> 01:08:43.230
While I understand, you know,

01:08:43.230 --> 01:08:45.280
she\'s kind of in a
precarious position herself.

01:08:45.280 --> 01:08:46.370
She just wants to go home,

01:08:46.370 --> 01:08:48.250
she just wants to go
take care of her kids,

01:08:48.250 --> 01:08:52.590
and she\'s either not understanding what

01:08:52.590 --> 01:08:55.920
they\'re going to give her
or maybe she\'s thinking

01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:57.780
that she isn\'t getting paid

01:08:57.780 --> 01:08:58.840
what she thought she was getting paid.

01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:01.923
I don\'t know, but she\'s
coming to me for help.

01:09:05.670 --> 01:09:09.587
(speaking in foreign language)

01:09:41.131 --> 01:09:43.548
(soft music)

01:10:02.558 --> 01:10:05.676
(speaking in foreign language)

01:10:05.676 --> 01:10:07.759
(laughs)

01:10:10.421 --> 01:10:14.421
(speaking in foreign language)

01:12:15.526 --> 01:12:20.526
(people chattering)
(soft music)

01:12:25.102 --> 01:12:25.935
- No, no, no.

01:12:25.935 --> 01:12:27.130
No, he\'s ours. He\'s ours.

01:12:29.925 --> 01:12:32.566
- You\'re somethin\', aren\'t ya?

01:12:32.566 --> 01:12:34.316
I missed you, bubbie.

01:12:35.309 --> 01:12:36.881
- I\'m so glad you\'re here.

01:12:36.881 --> 01:12:41.298
(Aasia speaking in foreign language)

01:13:10.305 --> 01:13:11.906
(laughs)

01:13:11.906 --> 01:13:15.906
(speaking in foreign language)`

01:13:20.554 --> 01:13:21.454
- Missed you.

01:13:21.454 --> 01:13:23.978
- Missed you.
(kisses)

01:13:23.978 --> 01:13:26.811
Ah, back at the executive enclave.

01:13:28.021 --> 01:13:29.771
- [Lisa] Our India home sweet home.

01:13:36.180 --> 01:13:37.658
That was one day that-

01:13:37.658 --> 01:13:40.241
(baby crying)

01:13:41.473 --> 01:13:42.306
- Oh.

01:13:45.330 --> 01:13:47.545
Which one is this?
- Kelsey.

01:13:47.545 --> 01:13:50.045
(baby crying)

01:13:53.500 --> 01:13:57.417
(speaking in foreign language)

01:14:27.160 --> 01:14:29.150
- I want to give her a little extra money.

01:14:29.150 --> 01:14:30.990
I think what she\'s done is admirable.

01:14:30.990 --> 01:14:33.740
I think, I mean, I think what she\'s had

01:14:33.740 --> 01:14:35.390
to go through with the abruption

01:14:35.390 --> 01:14:36.950
and the emergency and all that stuff,

01:14:36.950 --> 01:14:41.060
and she carried twins, you
know that she would, you know,

01:14:41.060 --> 01:14:43.360
I don\'t mind, you know,
giving a little extra.

01:14:43.360 --> 01:14:46.083
I just can\'t give this
huge amount of money.

01:14:51.430 --> 01:14:52.400
Me and my husband are having

01:14:52.400 --> 01:14:54.600
a really large discussion on that one.

01:14:54.600 --> 01:14:56.270
It\'s like a bonus.

01:14:56.270 --> 01:14:57.580
And she wanted a lot.

01:14:57.580 --> 01:14:59.250
And I was like, I\'m not even doing that.

01:14:59.250 --> 01:15:02.410
And Dr. Allahbadia suggested
about half of what she wanted,

01:15:02.410 --> 01:15:04.350
and I was suggesting maybe about half

01:15:04.350 --> 01:15:06.890
of what Dr. Allahbadia
thought I should pay.

01:15:06.890 --> 01:15:11.040
\'Cause quite frankly, I think
people get the idea that,

01:15:11.040 --> 01:15:13.367
you know, we just have
money cause we\'re Americans

01:15:13.367 --> 01:15:15.910
and we have dollars and we
just have all this money

01:15:15.910 --> 01:15:17.890
\'cause we can come over here and do this.

01:15:17.890 --> 01:15:21.020
I don\'t think they realize
that we\'re not wealthy.

01:15:21.020 --> 01:15:24.210
I mean, we are by many
of people\'s standards,

01:15:24.210 --> 01:15:27.840
but we don\'t have an extra $2,000

01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:30.120
to just hand out to anybody who\'s asking.

01:15:30.120 --> 01:15:33.183
You know, I wish we did.
It\'s just not that simple.

01:15:40.351 --> 01:15:44.768
(Aasia speaking in foreign language)

01:15:57.136 --> 01:15:59.340
(cars honking)

01:15:59.340 --> 01:16:00.810
- There\'s three parts to this.

01:16:00.810 --> 01:16:04.200
Part one is a contract between
the parents and ourselves

01:16:04.200 --> 01:16:05.433
to provide a service.

01:16:07.924 --> 01:16:08.900
And for the payment.

01:16:08.900 --> 01:16:12.460
Part two is a agreement
between the parents,

01:16:12.460 --> 01:16:16.390
the clinic and the surrogate,

01:16:16.390 --> 01:16:18.830
as well as the surrogate\'s husband,

01:16:18.830 --> 01:16:21.490
who\'s called the conforming party.

01:16:21.490 --> 01:16:24.250
And part three is usually happening

01:16:24.250 --> 01:16:25.510
if there\'s a donor involved.

01:16:25.510 --> 01:16:29.920
The payment goes to the clinic
and the clinic then doles out

01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:33.890
the funds to the different
agencies and the surrogate.

01:16:33.890 --> 01:16:36.990
This is a case where the Rotunda told me

01:16:36.990 --> 01:16:39.096
how much they\'re paying the surrogate.

01:16:39.096 --> 01:16:41.470
When they told me that this
is how they compensate,

01:16:41.470 --> 01:16:43.800
I took it at face value.

01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:45.720
- I have no idea what the contracts were

01:16:45.720 --> 01:16:49.203
between the medical tourism
company and the parents.

01:16:50.980 --> 01:16:55.300
We had a contract, a medical
contract with the clients.

01:16:55.300 --> 01:17:00.300
And at that time there was no
need of having any contract

01:17:00.870 --> 01:17:03.230
between us and the surrogates.

01:17:03.230 --> 01:17:05.980
The contract was between the
parents and the surrogate.

01:17:08.352 --> 01:17:11.660
- The contract that we
signed with Planet Hospital

01:17:11.660 --> 01:17:14.140
was broken down into how
much everybody would be paid.

01:17:14.140 --> 01:17:16.810
Is that what got done? I don\'t know.

01:17:16.810 --> 01:17:19.576
Originally she was
supposed to be paid $7,000.

01:17:19.576 --> 01:17:21.476
I don\'t know that she got paid $7,000.

01:17:24.700 --> 01:17:26.510
- When we developed this document,

01:17:26.510 --> 01:17:29.740
at the time this issue
was not very popular.

01:17:29.740 --> 01:17:31.544
That foreigners would
come to this country,

01:17:31.544 --> 01:17:33.740
hire surrogate mothers here

01:17:33.740 --> 01:17:35.880
and they will have the
children and they will go back.

01:17:35.880 --> 01:17:38.050
But now it has come so in our act

01:17:38.050 --> 01:17:41.060
we have mentioned very clearly
that the genetic parents

01:17:41.060 --> 01:17:45.006
should appropriately compensate
the surrogate mother.

01:17:45.006 --> 01:17:49.506
(woman speaking in foreign language)

01:17:53.140 --> 01:17:56.140
- If there is a legislation
it should talk about

01:17:56.140 --> 01:17:57.820
the expecting surrogate\'s rights,

01:17:57.820 --> 01:18:00.693
which is very shallow in the present form.

01:18:01.630 --> 01:18:04.140
We questioned the ICMR on many things.

01:18:04.140 --> 01:18:06.633
We did a very detailed
critique of the guideline.

01:18:08.320 --> 01:18:11.480
- There are several forms for
consent from various people,

01:18:11.480 --> 01:18:14.020
but how does it become mandatory,

01:18:14.020 --> 01:18:16.980
how is it going to be implemented,

01:18:16.980 --> 01:18:20.700
and how are we going to hold a particular

01:18:22.800 --> 01:18:24.870
provider or a clinic that goes

01:18:24.870 --> 01:18:26.860
against these things accountable?

01:18:26.860 --> 01:18:29.360
I mean, how is this whole
thing going to play out?

01:18:38.587 --> 01:18:40.843
- [Dr. Allahbadia] You just
want the babies to go home?

01:18:40.843 --> 01:18:41.843
- Yes.
- That\'s it.

01:18:42.990 --> 01:18:44.890
- Yes, and from what I understand,

01:18:44.890 --> 01:18:48.120
the results of the DNA test
should get them out of there.

01:18:48.120 --> 01:18:50.340
- Once the babies are
out of that hospital,

01:18:50.340 --> 01:18:51.310
we want to celebrate.

01:18:51.310 --> 01:18:53.020
I think we will get a cake here,

01:18:53.020 --> 01:18:54.980
our cake cutting ceremony.

01:18:54.980 --> 01:18:56.690
- [Brian] That would be wonderful.

01:18:56.690 --> 01:18:59.100
- Well, I have planned something, so...

01:18:59.100 --> 01:19:00.850
- [Brian] Oh, excellent.

01:19:00.850 --> 01:19:02.200
- We actually want to just get

01:19:02.200 --> 01:19:05.180
the American consulate
involved, get the babies out.

01:19:05.180 --> 01:19:07.350
Next continental flight.

01:19:07.350 --> 01:19:08.879
- Absolutely.
- Out there.

01:19:08.879 --> 01:19:09.953
- [Brian] As soon as they can get out.

01:19:11.350 --> 01:19:14.480
They\'re diplomats and they
have to do it diplomatically.

01:19:14.480 --> 01:19:16.700
I\'d like them to go in,
bust heads, crack skulls,

01:19:16.700 --> 01:19:19.090
take names, you know, and be done with it,

01:19:19.090 --> 01:19:20.713
but that\'s not how it works.

01:19:22.640 --> 01:19:24.780
- We had to establish our own process

01:19:24.780 --> 01:19:26.420
and our own policy for this.

01:19:26.420 --> 01:19:28.840
We had to make sure that
all the parties knew that

01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:30.710
we were satisfied that these children

01:19:30.710 --> 01:19:32.870
were American citizens.

01:19:32.870 --> 01:19:36.040
The problem really seemed
kind of an internal process

01:19:36.040 --> 01:19:37.650
that the hospital was going through.

01:19:37.650 --> 01:19:40.050
And we really can\'t speak
to internal processes.

01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:42.970
We were contacted by all parties involved

01:19:42.970 --> 01:19:45.950
and we were invited to
participate in trying

01:19:45.950 --> 01:19:47.813
to find a resolution to this problem.

01:19:49.490 --> 01:19:52.500
- We have been in touch
with Suzanne Yountchi

01:19:52.500 --> 01:19:54.640
of the American consul

01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:58.920
regarding the Switzer surrogacy issue.

01:19:58.920 --> 01:20:01.590
Suzanne was kind enough to help us

01:20:01.590 --> 01:20:04.293
and give us a hand to clear these hurdles.

01:20:08.770 --> 01:20:11.620
- We have all been called
at the Lilavati Hospital.

01:20:11.620 --> 01:20:14.623
That\'s Suzanne from the US Embassy,

01:20:15.540 --> 01:20:20.125
Lisa and Brian Switzer, the
surrogate, as well as myself,

01:20:20.125 --> 01:20:22.775
we are all called for a
meeting at Lilavati Hospital.

01:20:25.640 --> 01:20:28.490
They said that they will be
issuing the birth certificate

01:20:28.490 --> 01:20:31.230
to Lisa and Brian for the babies

01:20:31.230 --> 01:20:33.310
and they just want the surrogate to sign

01:20:33.310 --> 01:20:36.043
and confirming that the
babies do not belong to her.

01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:40.970
- [Lisa] I\'ll be on the birth certificate,

01:20:40.970 --> 01:20:42.643
Brian will be on the birth certificate

01:20:42.643 --> 01:20:44.420
and there\'ll be no question from them.

01:20:44.420 --> 01:20:47.320
We are going to have our girls in our arms

01:20:47.320 --> 01:20:50.120
with nobody telling us that
we can\'t take them anywhere.

01:20:53.393 --> 01:20:55.810
(soft music)

01:21:02.540 --> 01:21:03.810
- Girls.

01:21:03.810 --> 01:21:05.583
- [Man] Little baby girls.

01:21:05.583 --> 01:21:06.760
(clapping)

01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:07.860
- Very good.

01:21:07.860 --> 01:21:08.984
- Thank you.
- Thank you.

01:21:08.984 --> 01:21:09.984
- Thank you.

01:21:10.891 --> 01:21:11.724
(Brian chuckles)

01:21:11.724 --> 01:21:12.960
- They\'re our little angels.

01:21:15.110 --> 01:21:15.960
Aren\'t they tiny?

01:21:17.150 --> 01:21:19.050
But they\'re both over four pounds now.

01:21:20.210 --> 01:21:21.830
They\'re really healthy.

01:21:21.830 --> 01:21:23.933
I mean, they get checked out every day.

01:21:24.824 --> 01:21:26.624
- Twice a day.
- Twice a day, yeah.

01:21:28.810 --> 01:21:30.463
(baby grunts)
I got your nose.

01:21:33.387 --> 01:21:36.170
(babies grunting)

01:21:36.170 --> 01:21:38.040
- How did you get poop on your arm?

01:21:38.040 --> 01:21:38.910
- [Brian] Oh, oh, oh, oh.

01:21:38.910 --> 01:21:40.263
There you go, sweetie.

01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:44.000
Aren\'t they perfect?

01:21:48.190 --> 01:21:49.210
Couldn\'t have asked for better

01:21:49.210 --> 01:21:50.860
if I\'d have designed them myself.

01:21:58.687 --> 01:22:01.104
(soft music)

01:22:02.102 --> 01:22:06.519
(Aasia speaking in foreign language)

01:22:26.618 --> 01:22:29.035
(soft music)

01:22:50.128 --> 01:22:51.330
- [Suzanne] Raise your right hand.

01:22:51.330 --> 01:22:52.980
Do you swear that all the information

01:22:52.980 --> 01:22:54.290
in these applications are true

01:22:54.290 --> 01:22:55.880
to the best of your knowledge?

01:22:55.880 --> 01:22:56.713
- I do.
- I do.

01:22:56.713 --> 01:22:58.420
- Okay, do you swear that Riley and Kelsey

01:22:58.420 --> 01:22:59.760
are American citizens?

01:22:59.760 --> 01:23:00.593
- I do.
- I do.

01:23:00.593 --> 01:23:02.690
- Okay, I just need you both to sign.

01:23:02.690 --> 01:23:04.825
Father, and then mother below.

01:23:04.825 --> 01:23:05.658
- Okay.

01:23:07.208 --> 01:23:09.625
(soft music)

01:23:17.250 --> 01:23:18.083
Excellent.

01:23:19.952 --> 01:23:20.785
- That\'s it, guys.

01:23:20.785 --> 01:23:22.300
- [Brian] You have been
wonderful, Suzanne.

01:23:22.300 --> 01:23:23.750
- [Lisa] You are an angel.

01:23:23.750 --> 01:23:25.274
Thank you very much.
- Thank you so much.

01:23:25.274 --> 01:23:26.107
- [Lisa] And thank you for your help.

01:23:26.107 --> 01:23:28.473
- Yes, thank you to both.

01:23:28.473 --> 01:23:29.723
- All the best.

01:23:31.154 --> 01:23:33.571
(soft music)

01:23:40.802 --> 01:23:43.802
(people chattering)

01:23:56.963 --> 01:23:59.380
(soft music)

01:24:02.883 --> 01:24:05.883
(people chattering)

01:24:09.337 --> 01:24:11.942
- Anybody want to hold one?

01:24:11.942 --> 01:24:15.634
(Dr. Kadam laughs)

01:24:15.634 --> 01:24:18.634
(people chattering)

01:24:19.543 --> 01:24:20.534
I got your little earlobe.

01:24:20.534 --> 01:24:24.784
(Aasia speaks in foreign language)

01:24:26.703 --> 01:24:28.030
- I just, I wanna thank Aasia.

01:24:28.030 --> 01:24:29.763
She did a wonderful job.

01:24:31.420 --> 01:24:33.510
She made two beautiful babies for us.

01:24:33.510 --> 01:24:34.343
- And they\'re so good.

01:24:34.343 --> 01:24:37.180
They\'re so quiet, so we
knew it was her fault

01:24:37.180 --> 01:24:39.503
because neither of us are quiet, so,

01:24:40.350 --> 01:24:42.293
the babies are actually very good.

01:24:43.463 --> 01:24:48.213
(Dr. Kadam speaking in foreign language)

01:24:59.804 --> 01:25:04.221
(Aasia speaking in foreign language)

01:25:17.518 --> 01:25:19.330
- She\'s just saying that she\'s very happy.

01:25:19.330 --> 01:25:21.880
She\'s got more than what she expected

01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:24.621
and she\'s saying, okay, whatever
they would want to give,

01:25:24.621 --> 01:25:26.210
with, you know, with your happiness,

01:25:26.210 --> 01:25:28.220
you can give to her.
- And we will.

01:25:28.220 --> 01:25:29.322
We will.
- Yeah.

01:25:29.322 --> 01:25:33.867
(Dr. Kadam speaking in foreign language)

01:25:33.867 --> 01:25:37.030
- We hope that Aasia has a wonderful life

01:25:38.162 --> 01:25:40.720
and that she\'s able to
do things for her family

01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:42.223
that she always dreamed of.

01:25:43.230 --> 01:25:44.277
- Yep.
- \'Cause she gave us

01:25:44.277 --> 01:25:46.810
the family we always dreamed of.

01:25:46.810 --> 01:25:47.803
- [Brian] That\'s right.

01:25:49.910 --> 01:25:51.007
- [Lisa] Oh, we have cake.

01:25:51.007 --> 01:25:52.090
- [Woman] Hi.

01:25:54.578 --> 01:25:58.186
(woman speaks in foreign language)

01:25:58.186 --> 01:25:59.723
- [Brian] Give me some cake.

01:25:59.723 --> 01:26:01.973
(laughing)

01:26:04.150 --> 01:26:06.170
Give you a sugar rush
before getting on a plane?

01:26:06.170 --> 01:26:07.720
- Thank you.
- You\'re welcome.

01:26:21.060 --> 01:26:23.327
Passing out cake. Who wants cake?

01:26:24.950 --> 01:26:25.940
Thank you.
- Take care.

01:26:25.940 --> 01:26:27.350
We love you.

01:26:27.350 --> 01:26:28.183
- [Woman] Bye-bye.

01:26:28.183 --> 01:26:29.114
Take care.
- Aasia, thank you.

01:26:29.114 --> 01:26:30.269
- All right.
- Thank you so much.

01:26:30.269 --> 01:26:31.102
- Take care.

01:26:31.102 --> 01:26:32.160
You\'re wonderful.

01:26:32.160 --> 01:26:33.917
You are wonderful. Thank you.

01:26:36.322 --> 01:26:38.739
(soft music)

01:26:59.918 --> 01:27:01.918
- Anywhere.
- All right.

01:27:03.176 --> 01:27:05.700
(soft music)

01:27:05.700 --> 01:27:06.840
- We\'ll bring \'em back for a visit.

01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:08.457
- Take care.
- All right.

01:27:09.566 --> 01:27:11.983
(soft music)

01:27:20.054 --> 01:27:24.834
(people chattering)
(soft music)

01:27:24.834 --> 01:27:27.353
- [Brian] Come on, people.

01:27:27.353 --> 01:27:31.096
(people chattering)

01:27:31.096 --> 01:27:32.929
- [Officer] Passports?

01:27:34.991 --> 01:27:39.079
(speaks in foreign language)

01:27:39.079 --> 01:27:41.496
(soft music)

01:27:54.011 --> 01:27:55.807
(people chatting)

01:27:55.807 --> 01:27:57.520
- I have been invited here by

01:27:57.520 --> 01:28:00.650
the Society to chair a
round table as an expert

01:28:00.650 --> 01:28:05.270
on gestational surrogacy
and procreative tourism.

01:28:05.270 --> 01:28:07.700
- Yeah. Thanks, see you soon, bye.

01:28:07.700 --> 01:28:09.430
I\'m here so I don\'t have to
travel all the way to India

01:28:09.430 --> 01:28:13.590
to see some of my, you
know, clinics, you know,

01:28:13.590 --> 01:28:15.990
and I can meet them, just, you know,

01:28:15.990 --> 01:28:19.490
speak to them about challenges,
issues, opportunities.

01:28:19.490 --> 01:28:22.680
Based on the discussions
we\'re having about guarantees,

01:28:22.680 --> 01:28:25.840
I had, I had a great idea.

01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:28.463
Get pregnant or get your money back.

01:28:30.280 --> 01:28:31.750
- Okay.

01:28:31.750 --> 01:28:33.773
- What do you think of that?
- Let me think about it.

01:28:33.773 --> 01:28:35.370
- India\'s not everybody\'s cup of chai,

01:28:35.370 --> 01:28:38.220
so we had to look for other destinations,

01:28:38.220 --> 01:28:39.850
such as Panama, for example,

01:28:39.850 --> 01:28:42.300
is offering surrogacy through us.

01:28:42.300 --> 01:28:44.740
Greece recently started
offering surrogacy.

01:28:44.740 --> 01:28:47.470
I\'d like to explore Ukraine.

01:28:47.470 --> 01:28:50.300
I\'m going to be going
to Lithuania in December

01:28:50.300 --> 01:28:52.248
to check that place out, too.

01:28:52.248 --> 01:28:55.000
- There is a congress in March in Vienna.

01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:56.570
- Yes.
- It\'s a global congress

01:28:56.570 --> 01:28:59.030
on procreative tourism.

01:28:59.030 --> 01:29:02.060
So there are I think 34 countries,

01:29:02.060 --> 01:29:05.620
doctors or hospitals, 20 to
30 medical tourism companies

01:29:05.620 --> 01:29:07.240
setting up roots there.

01:29:07.240 --> 01:29:10.750
Every hotel industry,
airlines, and travel agents

01:29:10.750 --> 01:29:12.920
and medical are taking
part in that meeting.

01:29:12.920 --> 01:29:15.369
It\'s the first meeting of its kind.

01:29:15.369 --> 01:29:17.540
It\'s all within-
- It\'s all within.

01:29:17.540 --> 01:29:18.480
- [Interviewer] Do you
know if there\'s going

01:29:18.480 --> 01:29:22.110
to be anyone there
representing the surrogates?

01:29:22.110 --> 01:29:23.257
- Yeah, but usually-

01:29:23.257 --> 01:29:24.992
- Yeah, we should bring
a surrogate or two,

01:29:24.992 --> 01:29:26.842
you know and, we should just fly \'em down.

01:29:26.842 --> 01:29:29.367
- No, the thing is that, I don\'t know.

01:29:29.367 --> 01:29:31.907
We\'ll know at the meeting what happens.

01:29:36.388 --> 01:29:38.805
(soft music)

01:29:50.899 --> 01:29:52.604
- [Man] Oh my god.

01:29:52.604 --> 01:29:55.547
They\'re beautiful.
(laughing)

01:29:55.547 --> 01:29:58.547
(people chattering)

01:30:02.663 --> 01:30:05.080
(soft music)

01:30:29.211 --> 01:30:32.867
- Knowing what you went through...

01:30:32.867 --> 01:30:35.992
Over there, would you do it again or-

01:30:35.992 --> 01:30:36.825
- Oh yes.
- In a heartbeat.

01:30:36.825 --> 01:30:37.658
In a heartbeat.

01:30:39.260 --> 01:30:40.840
- You know, we\'re home.

01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:44.747
They\'re beautiful and
healthy and lovely and-

01:30:44.747 --> 01:30:46.300
- [Woman] And they received the best care.

01:30:46.300 --> 01:30:47.880
- Yeah, they got good care.

01:30:47.880 --> 01:30:50.050
And, you know, we got the heck out.

01:30:50.050 --> 01:30:51.890
The Embassy says as soon as
you can get out, get out.

01:30:51.890 --> 01:30:54.740
We did.
(laughing)

01:30:54.740 --> 01:30:57.293
No two ways about it. We got out.

01:30:58.742 --> 01:31:00.460
And we are home.
(baby grunting)

01:31:00.460 --> 01:31:01.607
Are you making noises?

01:31:03.150 --> 01:31:05.603
I love them to death with my whole heart.

01:31:07.966 --> 01:31:10.383
(soft music)

01:31:53.958 --> 01:31:58.375
(Aasia speaking in foreign language)

01:32:09.186 --> 01:32:13.603
(women speaking in foreign language)

01:32:26.854 --> 01:32:31.271
(Aasia speaking in foreign language)

01:33:32.842 --> 01:33:35.259
(soft music)

01:33:44.615 --> 01:33:47.782
(soft acoustic music)

01:34:20.892 --> 01:34:24.059
(soft acoustic music)

01:34:41.777 --> 01:34:45.944
(bright, upbeat percussive music)

01:35:11.138 --> 01:35:13.555
(soft music)

01:37:00.288 --> 01:37:02.705
(soft music)