In this BAFTA award-winning film, filmmaker Deeyah Khan examines the erosion…
Birthright: A War Story
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BIRTHRIGHT: A WAR STORY is the real-life "Handmaid’s Tale." This urgent documentary examines how women are being jailed, physically violated and even put at risk of dying as a radical movement tightens its grip across America. The film tells the story of women who have become collateral damage in the aggressive campaign to take control of reproductive health care and to allow states, courts and religious doctrine to govern whether, when and how women will bear children. BIRTHRIGHT: A WAR STORY explores the accelerating gains of the crusade to control pregnant women and the fallout that is creating a public health crisis, turning pregnant women into criminals and challenging the constitutional protections of every woman in America.
“A timely new documentary." —The Daily Beast
"Birthright: A War Story packs a powerful message: that reproduction has become perilous for women in America." —The New York Times
"...a compelling documentary that is a must-see." —Film Pulse
"BIRTHRIGHT shows Big Brother in action, and at his most misogynistic." —Los Angeles Times
"To anyone who has watched “The Handmaid’s Tale”...and says it couldn’t happen today, the documentary “Birthright: A War Story” is a strong counterargument." —Washington Post
"Tamarkin's film is a must see for all; these issues should be spoken about and understood to further encourage a movement towards safe, unstigmatized women’s health care and protection in the United States and the world." —The Colgate Maroon News
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Main credits
Tamarkin, Civia (film director)
Tamarkin, Civia (film producer)
Tamarkin, Civia (screenwriter)
Fisher, Luchina (screenwriter)
Arnesen, Ingrid (film producer)
Filmer, Steve (film producer)
Johnson, Suzanne D. (film producer)
Other credits
Director of photography/editor, Brad White; original music, Joel Futterman, Ike Levin.
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Documentary Films; Health & Safety; Law & Criminal JusticeKeywords
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♪♪
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(radio news clips
audio fading in)
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(newswoman)
...Would make performing
abortions a felony
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for doctors leading
to prison time...
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(newsman)
A controversial abortion bill
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was signed into law on Monday.
It will require doctors...
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(newswoman)
A contentious new law said to
take effect in July
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bans abortions if a woman
seeks the procedure...
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(newsman)
Can refuse to pay for
contraception...
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(newswoman)
Protestors voicing their
opinions at the State House...
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(newswoman 2)
State lawmakers passed a bill
banning all abortions...
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(newswoman)
Banning women from seeking
abortions...
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(newsman)
Victory for
pro-choice groups...
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(newsman 2)
Attorneys asking
a federal judge...
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(newsman 3)
Opponents promising to sue...
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The House has approved
a controversial bill...
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(newsman)
A Federal Judge...
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(newsman 2)
The court issued
a preliminary...
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(newsman 3)
New abortion law is headed...
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(newswoman)
Controversial abortion law...
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(newsman)
Bans an abortion...
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(overlapping newscasters
reading headlines)
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♪♪
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(heavy wind blowing)
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♪♪
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- My story doesn\'t have anything
to do with abortion.
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- It had to do with...
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a family doing what\'s
best for their family.
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I\'ve always wanted to be
a father, that\'s...
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That was my main thing is,
you know...
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It wasn\'t necessarily a certain
career or anything like that.
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It was I wanted to be a father
and have a family.
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- I found out in September,
the end of September of 2010
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that I,
that I was pregnant.
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Everything was normal.
Everything was fine.
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Um, I purchased Alex a big boy
bed \'cause he was gonna
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get out of his crib and...
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Again, just those
things you do
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when you\'re gonna
have a second, second baby.
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Alex was two, and so he was
still in diapers.
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And we were getting him--
putting his pajamas
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and getting him ready
for bed and...
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I felt something funny and...
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I looked at Robb and I said,
\"Robb, something\'s wrong.\"
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- I mean, I could see the water
going down to the floor.
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- Robb got me gathered up,
and he got me in our bedroom,
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and he helped me change
my clothes and he...
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helped me clean
myself and he...
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He just tried to make it okay.
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He was driving so fast,
and we got pulled over.
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It was the first time
I heard panic in his voice.
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And he said to the policeman,
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\"My wife\'s in labor,
and it\'s too early.
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You have to let us go.\"
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He waved us on, and he escorted
us to the hospital.
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They did this test strip
to see if the fluid
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was urine or amniotic fluid.
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I just looked at her
and I said,
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\"Just please tell me
I peed my pants.\"
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Like, just please tell me
that humiliating thing.
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That please tell me
that\'s what happened.
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We went to
the perinatologist.
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She explained to us that
my water broke at 22 weeks,
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and one day, I wasn\'t able
to retain any water.
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So, my baby\'s lungs
and other organs,
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but the most vital,
the lungs,
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would not develop past
22 weeks and one day.
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The odds of bringing a baby home
at all with a heartbeat...
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...were less than
ten percent and...
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Bringing a baby home without
a bunch of anomalies and needing
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a lot of machines and things
was less than two percent.
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I did ask her
at what point do we go from...
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At what point do we go
from being good parents
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and doing whatever it is
we need to do to save our child
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and being selfish...
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...and putting our child
through unnecessary things
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just for our own sake?
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(sniffles)
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So, we asked her if we
could induce the labor
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and let nature
take its course.
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And she explained that a law
had passed in Nebraska.
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And she didn\'t go into great
detail about the law but...
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It would be illegal for her
to induce my pregnancy.
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(Todd Pankratz, MD)
Unfortunately, the Nebraska
legislature had passed
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a 20-week fetal pain bill,
which, if any provider
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participated in a abortion
after 20 weeks,
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it was a felony charge
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and your license potentially
could be taken away from you.
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- And I, I\'m and I\'m like,
\"But it\'s not an abortion.\"
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- All of our doctors
said this is--
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We were in a very
unusual situation.
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- The law should not have
affected me at all.
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- The legislature will see
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any elective delivery
of a baby as,
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that is non-viable,
as being an abortion.
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And so, we informed Danielle
and her husband
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that at this point
our hands would be tied.
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- We were very shocked to hear
that there was nothing
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they could do for us
other than have us wait.
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It was ten days
of torture.
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- I got really sick.
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My temperature
went up really high,
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and my blood pressure got
really low and...
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I got really, really sick
and they wouldn\'t--
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They hooked me up to all this
stuff and no one would leave,
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like, the nurses were
there all the time and...
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(sniffles)
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My husband was just so nervous.
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- That just infuriates me.
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Because it did not
have to be that way.
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- The reason I was
so sick is because
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I had a really terrible
infection and, uh...
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Because I waited 10 days
with my membranes ruptured.
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- I could have very
easily lost my--
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love of my life
because of this law
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that was made by people
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that don\'t understand
how its affecting people.
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- Elizabeth was born at 3:00.
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And they wrapped her up,
and they put her in my arms.
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And she gasped.
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- And...
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we watched
her pass away.
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♪♪
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- 2010 was a really big year.
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2010, of course, was the year
the Tea Party swept into power.
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-We\'ve come to take our
government back!
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(cheering)
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Tonight there\'s a Tea Party
tidal wave,
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and we\'re sending
a message to \'em.
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(cheering)
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(chanting USA, USA...)
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(Andrea Friedman)
Members of the Tea Party ran
on a fiscal economic platform.
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Yet as soon they got to office,
it became very clear
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that the Tea Party was,
in fact,
09:43.084 --> 09:46.352
a very socially conservative,
anti-choice group.
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Its leadership,
its membership,
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and the legislators
that they elected.
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And so, one of their clear
original priorities
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became right away to restrict
access to abortion.
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-Will those of us privileged
to live and breathe in this
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the land of the free
and the home of the brave,
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finally come together
and protect mothers
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and their littleinnocent
pain-capable unborn babies.
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-We talk about
the choice.
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You ask us, \"Well,
don\'t we put ourselves
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in the place of a woman
and her choice?\"
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What choice does
the baby have?
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Who speaks for the baby?
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- Then what started and which
continues to this day, uh,
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a frenzy of anti-abortion
restrictions.
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Since 2010, state legislatures
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have passed approximately
300 restrictions.
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- Indeed, we\'ve had more laws
passed in the few years
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than in the prior decade.
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- It is a very scary time
in the United States right now
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for a woman
to become pregnant
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and to seek any kind
of medical care.
10:47.875 --> 10:51.143
- We\'re currently suffering
from a public health crisis
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from a number of forces
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that are all bearing down
on women right now.
10:54.042 --> 10:57.601
- The ultimate goal of
overturning Roe v. Wade requires
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that women lose their rights
in a number of different ways.
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Access to abortion, absolutely.
11:03.583 --> 11:06.810
But that is the tip of the
iceberg compared to all
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the other rights that are also
necessarily going to be chipped
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away at if they were to fully
realize their vision.
11:12.959 --> 11:17.518
- You really can\'t divorce the
struggle for abortion rights
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from the struggle from racial
justice, for the struggle
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for civil rights,
from human rights
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and really the struggle
for power in this country.
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And so, it\'s a mistake to think
the abortion rights struggle
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is about abortion
or even just about women.
11:33.000 --> 11:36.394
- When people tell me how
intense this debate is today
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on abortion, I remind them that
the last time this country
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dealt with an issue
of this dynamic, uh...
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we shot each other to doll rags
on the Civil War battlefield.
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(band playing \"When Johnny Comes
Marching Home\")
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(crowd chanting)
Keep your rosaries
off my ovaries!
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Keep your rosaries
off my ovaries!
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(Michele Goodwin)
This is a new war.
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Women have become
the collateral damage.
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The consequences of this war
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and attack on women
have pretty much been ignored.
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-I come to the Senate floor
today to ask my Republican
colleagues a question.
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Do you have any idea
what year it is?
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Did you fall down,
hit your head
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and think you woke up
in the 1950s or the 1890s?
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Should we call for a doctor,
because I simply cannot believe
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that in the year 2015,
the United States Senate
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would be spending its time
trying to defund
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women\'s health care centers.
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♪♪
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- Historically, women have
never been able to control
their reproduction.
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- 50 to 60 years ago, if you
were a woman who was single
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in a number of states,
it was outlawed
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that you\'d be able
to get the pill.
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- In the \'60s, Connecticut,
we think of as a kind
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of progressive state,
Connecticut had a law against,
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uh, uh, you know,
dispensing contraception
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to married couples.
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Married couples did not have
a right to access contraception
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in the state of Connecticut.
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(McGregor)
And, of course,
the court decided there,
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that it was not the role
of the state to interfere
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with the intimate choices
of married couples.
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This is what\'s interesting
about where we are today is that
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it seems to me one of the ways
you control women
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and you control their ability
to be equal
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and free actors in society
is you don\'t allow them
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to control their reproduction.
14:18.042 --> 14:23.185
- The younger generation is not
at all aware of the miseries
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that women went through
back before...
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Number one, they had effective
birth control and number two,
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before they had the right
to have a medically
safe abortion procedure.
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Young women would
do most anything
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to terminate a pregnancy.
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- During the illegal abortion
era in the United States
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before Roe v. Wade,
every large municipal hospital
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in the country
had a septic abortion ward.
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Indeed, incomplete
often-infected abortion
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was the single most common
reason that women
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were hospitalized
on gynecology services.
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These wards were always filled
with women suffering
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and often dying
from infected abortions.
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(chanting)
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(Walter Cronkite)
The illegal termination
of pregnancy
15:08.251 --> 15:10.476
has reached epidemic
proportions in this country.
15:10.500 --> 15:14.227
The laws which govern abortion
are broken an estimated
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one million times a year.
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(woman)
Gloria Steinem
who I don\'t think
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needs any further
introduction to anyone.
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-We will continue our fight
until every woman has the right
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to decide for herself
whether or not
15:27.042 --> 15:29.185
and when to have an abortion.
15:29.209 --> 15:32.102
- In a landmark ruling,
the Supreme Court today
15:32.126 --> 15:33.475
legalized abortions.
15:33.499 --> 15:35.935
The majority, in cases
from Texas and Georgia,
15:35.959 --> 15:38.394
said that the decision
to end a pregnancy
15:38.418 --> 15:39.475
during the first three months
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belongs to the woman and her
doctor, not the government.
15:44.292 --> 15:47.476
- For the pro-choice movement,
it was a huge victory.
15:47.500 --> 15:48.851
And it still is a huge victory.
15:48.875 --> 15:53.352
But it allowed us to perhaps
get a little bit complacent.
15:53.376 --> 15:55.476
It allowed the pro-choice
side to say we\'ve won.
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We\'ve won at the Supreme Court.
There\'s nowhere else to go.
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The highest court in the land,
and we can relax a little bit.
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We have--
we\'ve won this battle.
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And did not see the onslaught
16:06.542 --> 16:09.583
that was coming
from the anti-choice movement.
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-The reason I\'m here is because
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babies are being killed
in our hospitals and clinics.
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I can\'t tolerate it.
America can\'t tolerate it.
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We must start this
Right to Life Movement,
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which is growing
and growing.
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We will stop the killing.
16:22.917 --> 16:26.475
-How many millions of children
prior to their birth,
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will never live to see
the light of day
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because of the shocking action
of the majority
16:31.499 --> 16:35.185
of the United States
Supreme Court today?
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Whatever their legal rationale,
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seven men have made a tragic,
utilitarian judgment
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regarding who shall live
and who shall die.
16:43.834 --> 16:46.810
- When Roe v. Wade
came down, uh,
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it was an issue that, uh,
16:49.042 --> 16:53.143
cut to the heart
of the Catholic community, uh...
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The Protestants, Evangelicals,
were mostly on the sideline.
16:57.376 --> 17:02.310
And they did not join the fight,
uh, until maybe late \'70s.
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And, uh, I\'ve heard,
you know,
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Jerry Falwell and other, uh,
evangelical leaders
17:07.209 --> 17:10.559
talk about they were late to
the, uh, to the cause and they--
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It was the Catholics
that kept the issue alive
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front and center.
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(Carol Tobias)
A lot of people,
after the 1973 decision
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that were pro-life
were opposed to abortion,
17:22.499 --> 17:24.394
thought that
if they could just
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pass a constitutional amendment
this would be all over.
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(newsman)
The first stop for the right
to life demonstrators
17:29.583 --> 17:30.475
was the capitol.
17:30.499 --> 17:32.685
They immediately went to
Congressional offices
17:32.709 --> 17:33.768
to make their point.
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-And what do we want?
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We want a Constitutional
Amendment, right?!
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(crowd cheering)
17:40.418 --> 17:41.935
(newsman)
Today was the fourth anniversary
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of the Supreme Court decision
that said women have
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a constitutional right
to obtain abortions.
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And opponents are still working
for a Constitutional amendment
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to override that decision.
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(music playing)
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- When it became apparent that
wasn\'t going to happen,
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or at least wasn\'t going
to happen very quickly,
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National Right to Life decided
to try the incremental approach.
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- In 1973, we thought
the battle was won
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when Roe v. Wade was handed down
in January of that year.
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But very soon thereafter,
the opposition to abortion
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began to do terrible, terrible
damage to women\'s rights.
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One of the most notable in the
mid-\'70s was the Hyde Amendment,
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introduced by the late
Congressman Henry Hyde
of Illinois,
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which cut off Medicaid
funding for abortion.
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- Hyde himself said, I would ban
it for all women if I could,
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but I can only reach these women
\'cause they\'re the ones who get
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their health care through
the federal government.
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(Jessica Gonzalez-Rojas)
The first casualty of the Hyde
Amendment was Rosie Jimenez.
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Rosie Jimenez was a Latina
27-year-old single mother, uh,
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of a daughter
about five years old.
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She was a nursing student.
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She literally had a scholarship
check in her purse
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when she learned about her
unplanned pregnancy.
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She was on Medicaid and was
therefore denied access to
abortion coverage.
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She was forced to resort to
unsafe underground abortion
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and ultimately
died of septic shock.
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- Don\'t murder your baby,
please, let us help you!
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(Carole Joffe)
If you think about the
anti-abortion movement
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from its origins in the early
\'70s over the last 40 odd years,
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it\'s been a remarkable
development.
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It started primarily
by just local actions,
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protesting at local clinics.
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Over time developing
much more, uh, strong ties
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with the Republican Party.
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(man)
A human life amendment
would only...
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(protestor chatter)
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(Carol Tobias)
National Right to Life
decided if we want
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to change the law, we have
to change the lawmakers.
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- How can Jimmy Carter
be a man of God
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if he is preaching the Bible
out of one side of his mouth
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and he is for abortion
out of the other?
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You cannot mix religion
and abortion.
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They\'re directly opposed.
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- In 1980, our first election,
we helped to defeat Jimmy Carter
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and elect Pro-Life
Ronald Reagan.
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- Ronald Reagan came into
politics, uh, not as someone
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who was opposed to abortion.
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I know he was not pro-life
initially.
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And he signed a pro-abortion
legislation, very liberal
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pro-abortion
legislation as governor.
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By the late \'70s, uh,
he\'s beginning to rethink this.
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-And all the evidence so far,
comes down on the side
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of the unborn child being
a living human being.
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- That was beginning to be an
issue that was, uh, becoming
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one of the litmus test issues
if you wanted to, uh,
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operate at the national
level of the Republican Party.
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-Thank God for a president
who agrees in totality
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with what we morally
stand for here.
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(Carole Joffe)
Those who funded this movement
saw enormous potential
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to bring hundreds and thousands,
if not millions of new voters
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into the Republican Party.
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This was a battering ram that
helped bring to the fore
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all the issues they opposed.
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But abortion was the centerpiece
because it, it--
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now it brought in the churches
with all their resources.
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- I remember, uh, that, uh,
that was the one thing that
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George Bush had to assure
Ronald Reagan on the phone
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when he-- when Reagan
made the call,
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would he like to join
his ticket as vice president.
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Uh, he had to be assured
that he would be pro-life.
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♪♪
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(Carole Joffe)
Prescott Bush, the father
of the first President Bush
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was the national treasurer
of Planned Parenthood.
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Barbara Bush-- It was an open
secret that she was pro-choice.
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- George H. W. Bush was known
as a very strong advocate
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of Planned Parenthood, uh,
and, uh, uh, contraceptives.
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And he had a nickname
to go with that.
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(chuckling)
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- His nickname was \"Rubbers.\"
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- So, uh, this was a big change
for, uh, for George H. W. Bush
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and probably for the entire
Bush, Bush family.
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-There are many issues
and abortion divides.
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We have room in our party for
people that feel one way,
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pro-life or pro-choice.
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Democratic Party
the same way.
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Uh, I think everyone knows that
this is an issue that divides.
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- I remember, uh, a, uh, former
member of Congress who\'s a big,
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uh, lobbyist now, a very nice
fellow, uh, maybe 25 years ago,
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telling me \"Give up Richard
on the abortion issue.
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We\'ve lost that issue.\"
And we just said no.
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Uh, this, this is who
we are, this, uh--
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\"We\'ll never give up
on the life issue.\"
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And when you really believe
that, uh, it\'s the taking
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of a human life, I mean, you
know, you take, uh, you spend
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time and resources and energy
to, uh, try to, you know,
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save those babies and, uh,
you organize the same
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as if you were trying
to defeat the communists.
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- ♪ Christ has gotten us
the victory hallelujah ♪
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♪ Sound the trumpets of war ♪
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- Amen!
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-Roe v. Wade is going down!
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(cheering and applause)
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- ♪ Glory, glory hallelujah ♪
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- All we want
is a show of strength.
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- ♪ Glory, glory hallelujah ♪
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- Well, we don\'t have a plan.
We simply come here
to save babies
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because abortion is murder.
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- ♪ His truth is marching on ♪
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- Terminating the life of the
abortionist, I would not say
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is murder that needs to--
needs, needs forgiveness.
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It is an act of,
of, of rescue.
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It is an act of mercy.
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It is an act of defense
of a neighbor.
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And so, it isn\'t one that one
needs to ask forgiveness for.
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(explosion)
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(explosion, woman shrieks)
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-Oh, my God!
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(indistinct shouting)
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(Andrea Friedman)
We\'ve had abortion
providers murdered
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in their church,
in their home.
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And this is a, a true domestic
terrorist attack
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on women\'s right to choose.
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- The harassment,
intimidation of providers,
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indeed resulting in the murder
of a number of providers,
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has had a chilling
effect on our field.
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- We\'re getting to a point
where less and less physicians
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know how to perform
an abortion.
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There should really be
a baseline knowledge for all
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people who become physicians
regardless of their specialty.
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And for whatever reason,
a lot of medical schools
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determined that abortion
education just shouldn\'t
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be part of that
baseline knowledge.
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- Even if doctors got
abortion training
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and they really wanted
to provide abortion,
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sometimes their superiors
were just telling them,
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no, you can\'t,
you can\'t do abortion here.
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You won\'t work here or, um,
you know, were afraid.
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You can\'t being doing
abortion in my,
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in this private practice
or it\'ll make us look bad.
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We\'ll lose patients, people will
protest us, you know,
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we won\'t be able to compete
with other practices in town
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if we\'re known
as abortion providers.
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- The anti-choice movement, um,
has moved from just being
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the group that yells
and screams at women
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as they walk into clinics.
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They\'re no longer just
the folks holding the signs
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and protesting
outside of events.
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They have moved
into positions of power.
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They are taking over,
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um, in a very strategic way
politically
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that\'s actually putting a lot
of pressure on our communities
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in ways that we really haven\'t
seen in a very long time.
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(Andrea Friedman)
They understood that change
was going to happen
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in a state-by-state way.
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And so, they recruited
candidates at every level.
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They did organizing via
churches, via community groups.
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They recruited new members
and they brought them onboard
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to their political strategy.
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They got them elected
first at the local level.
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Then moving up the chain.
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And our movement failed to have
that same level farm team.
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-Uh, the President of Center
for Arizona Policy,
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Cathi Herrod.
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(cheering and applause)
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-Thank you, Aaron.
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At Center for Arizona Policy,
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our mission is to promote
and defend
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the foundational principles
of life, marriage and family,
26:33.625 --> 26:34.935
and religious liberty.
26:34.959 --> 26:36.185
(applause)
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You know, Moms and Dads,
when our daughters at the ages
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of nine or ten years old should
walk into an abortion clinic,
26:42.418 --> 26:44.185
be given their
first female exam,
26:44.209 --> 26:46.810
be given birth control pills,
and be taken to court
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to get an order for an abortion
without us knowing about it.
26:50.418 --> 26:52.768
How can we stay silent?
We cannot stay silent.
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We must engage in what\'s
going on in public policy.
26:56.500 --> 26:58.060
(applause)
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- I know the media in the last
couple of years has started
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paying attention about all these
laws that are being passed.
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But we\'ve been passing laws
since the late 1970s.
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- The legislators continued
to pass these ideologically
27:10.792 --> 27:14.185
driven mandates on health care
because they could.
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And our side went to the courts,
tried to stop some of these.
27:19.334 --> 27:22.810
And then we had the case
of Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
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And in that case,
the court upheld
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the majority of these
restrictions.
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-In upholding Pennsylvania\'s
right to a 24-hour
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waiting period, to parental
consent and to state-sponsored
27:36.625 --> 27:40.935
propaganda that women will have
to be subjected to before they
27:40.959 --> 27:45.475
can seek a medically safe,
legal abortion, they have set
27:45.499 --> 27:50.418
the cause of women\'s rights
back a good 20 years.
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- In that case, there was also
a door that was left open.
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And that door
was that a state
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could, in fact,
pass legislation
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that would infringe
on the right of a woman\'s
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access to an abortion--
right to an abortion,
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so long as it did not
cause an undue burden.
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Now the court never specified
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what an undue burden
actually happens to be.
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What\'s been so strategic and
clever is that state by state,
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oppositional forces have gone
to state legislatures
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and have now been able
to enact a number of victories.
28:32.376 --> 28:35.559
- We want to nibble
away at Roe v. Wade.
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We want to educate
the American public.
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We want to protect unborn
children and their mothers.
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And we want to set up enough
common sense legislation,
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laws, standards, that the
Supreme Court eventually
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has to look at those
1973 decisions and say
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\"we have no idea what the Court
was thinking at that time\"
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because that was a really stupid
ruling and overturn it.
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(crowd cheering)
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(Carole Joffe)
After President Obama
was elected in 2008,
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a lot of conservatives, very,
very angry, furious about
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Obama\'s election, did not see
him as a legitimate president.
29:22.334 --> 29:27.475
Among the many arguments they
had was that he was pro-choice.
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And so, the 2010 election
brought total control
29:30.917 --> 29:33.685
of Republicans
to many state legislatures.
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So, what you started to see
in 2010 continuing
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to the present moment
is restriction
29:40.917 --> 29:44.018
after restriction
after restriction.
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- Lawmakers just approved a bill
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that would make performing
abortions a felony for doctors.
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-My goal is to end abortion
in Mississippi.
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- South Carolina lawmakers
have passed a bill
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banning abortion
after 19 weeks.
29:56.251 --> 29:58.893
(newswoman)
A contentious new law
set to take effect in July
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bans abortions if a woman seeks
the procedure because the fetus
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could have birth defects
or is a certain gender or race.
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- Several new abortion
restrictions
30:08.334 --> 30:10.060
going up for debate at the
Arizona State Capitol today.
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(newsman)
A controversial abortion bill
was signed into law on Monday.
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It will require doctors to
administer an anesthetic
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to a fetus more
than 20 weeks old.
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(newsman 2)
The new bill would ban most
abortions after 20 weeks.
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Abortions would have
to be performed
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in hospital-style surgical rooms
30:25.499 --> 30:29.768
and doctors would need admitting
privileges at nearby hospitals.
30:29.792 --> 30:31.352
-In signing House Bill Two,
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uh, today we celebrate
and further cement
30:34.418 --> 30:38.352
the foundation on which
the culture of life, uh,
30:38.376 --> 30:39.935
in Texas, is built upon.
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It also is our responsibility
to improve the quality of care
30:43.499 --> 30:46.893
for women in this state,
ensuring that any procedure
30:46.917 --> 30:50.559
they undergo is performed
in clean, sanitary
30:50.583 --> 30:54.875
and safe conditions
by capable personnel.
30:55.750 --> 30:59.476
(Andrea Friedman)
The anti-choice side was just
very successful in putting women
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on the defensive and shifting
their rhetoric to the ones
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that were supporting women\'s
rights instead of our side.
31:06.625 --> 31:10.475
And having to-- and making
us battle on our own terms.
31:10.499 --> 31:13.726
Whereas it was, they were about
the fetus and the life
31:13.750 --> 31:16.060
of the fetus
and now they\'re saying
31:16.084 --> 31:17.518
\"No, we\'re also about
the life of the woman.\"
31:17.542 --> 31:20.851
- None of these laws have ever
been about patient safety.
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They\'re about regulating women,
regulating, uh, women\'s access
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to their
reproductive care, um...
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decreasing the number of
abortions which basically
31:31.500 --> 31:33.768
decreases the number of
providers and clinics
31:33.792 --> 31:36.185
that can provide abortion,
making it more difficult
31:36.209 --> 31:38.851
for women to get procedures,
making it more expensive.
31:38.875 --> 31:41.643
Medical system benefits may
be available for prenatal care.
31:41.667 --> 31:44.475
The father of the pregnancy is
liable to assist and support,
31:44.499 --> 31:45.976
even if he\'s offered
to pay for the abortion.
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The legislature
has passed a script
31:48.499 --> 31:49.768
that I have to read
to my patients.
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And if I don\'t read that script,
in the law, it\'s a felony.
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I could go to jail,
lose my medical license.
31:57.499 --> 31:59.352
They can report it
to the board
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if I don\'t read this script
to this patient.
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And some of the things in this
script are not medically sound.
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- It\'s been sad for me
as a public health physician
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as well as a gynecologist to see
how the opposition
32:11.376 --> 32:12.559
has hurt women\'s health
over the years.
32:12.583 --> 32:15.268
And there have been several
strategies that they\'ve used.
32:15.292 --> 32:18.475
One is to develop an alternative
medical literature,
32:18.499 --> 32:20.685
terribly flawed studies
and publish them generally
32:20.709 --> 32:23.893
in minor league journals but
they then get these articles
32:23.917 --> 32:26.394
into the hands of legislators.
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So, they\'ve created an
alternative universe
32:27.917 --> 32:31.185
that would have us believe
that abortion is dangerous.
It\'s not.
32:31.209 --> 32:35.475
- I think the studies that would
say that there is a link
32:35.499 --> 32:39.352
between breast cancer and
abortion are too many
32:39.376 --> 32:45.227
and too strong to just deny
that there\'s any kind of link.
32:45.251 --> 32:48.475
Uh, there are studies that show
women who\'ve had abortions
32:48.499 --> 32:52.601
do have higher suicide rates
or attempted suicide rates.
32:52.625 --> 32:55.475
- No credible medical
organization holds this belief.
32:55.499 --> 32:58.685
Yet these alternative groups are
out there trying to convince
32:58.709 --> 33:01.476
legislators that there\'s
a giant conspiracy afoot
33:01.500 --> 33:03.643
to hide this risk factor
from women.
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It makes no sense.
33:04.625 --> 33:07.685
- What\'s important to understand
about what\'s happening
33:07.709 --> 33:11.475
right now in the United States
is that the attack
33:11.499 --> 33:15.310
on women\'s reproductive
health and their ability
33:15.334 --> 33:18.102
to make decisions about their
reproductive health
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is not just
about abortion.
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It\'s even about
whether or not
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young people have access
to sex education.
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Or sex education that includes
more than abstinence only.
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In a lot of states,
as it turns out, no.
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That sex education
is only about abstinence.
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It even boils down to
contraception
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and whether or not women
have access to contraception.
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- How has contraception become
part of the war on abortion?
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To many people,
it\'s ludicrous.
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The whole idea of contraception
is you prevent a birth, uh,
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and therefore you prevent
an unwanted pregnancy
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and therefore you reduce
the need for abortions.
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The more extreme, we might say
the more fanatical wings
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of the anti-abortion movement
changed the discourse.
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They said no, contraception
doesn\'t prevent abortions.
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Contraception is,
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is supportive
of the abortion mentality.
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The same person who would
try to prevent a birth
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is the same kind
of person who would,
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if she had an unwanted
pregnancy, would abort it.
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So, contraception became like
the little sister of abortion.
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Evil, not quite as evil,
but still evil, uh...
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And then the ante
got raised even more.
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Contraception itself became
reframed as an abortifacient,
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something that causes
an abortion.
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- In a major
ruling today,
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the Supreme Court
said that some employers
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cannot be forced to cover birth
control in their health plans
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if that violates
their religious beliefs.
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- We\'re finding that companies
are denying contraceptive access
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in their insurance plans, um,
and there\'s pharmacists that are
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denying access to contraception
in their pharmacies.
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We\'re seeing laws across
the country that are cutting
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at the heart
of family planning programs,
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and these programs provide
vital resources to women
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and to communities.
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-Texas will not allow
a program
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that includes
abortion providers
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or their affiliates,
like Planned Parenthood,
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to be a provider.
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(applause)
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(Jessica)
We\'re seeing HIV on the rise.
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We\'re seeing sexually
transmitted infections
on the rise.
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We\'re seeing unplanned
pregnancies on the rise.
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There\'s real life implications
when you cut and defund
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preventative and family
planning programs.
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- Part of the problem
in our defensive fight
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is how successful the
anti-choice side has been
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around stigmatizing abortion.
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- How this shows up in our
communities is we have women
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scared to speak up
for themselves.
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We have women being shamed into,
um, completing pregnancies
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that they don\'t want or
they\'re-- or barriers to access
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which puts them into positions
they don\'t want to be in.
36:27.542 --> 36:29.394
- The Supreme Court
just handed down
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an important
ruling on abortion.
36:31.499 --> 36:33.475
By five to three vote,
36:33.499 --> 36:35.102
the eight justices
struck down
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new regulations in Texas
that have forced
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many abortion
clinics to close.
36:39.959 --> 36:41.185
-Women across America
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have had their constitutional
rights vindicated.
36:44.834 --> 36:47.060
(crowd cheering)
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-It was a win
for the abortion industry.
36:52.418 --> 36:53.643
All excited about this victory,
36:53.667 --> 36:56.976
Planned Parenthood announced
a nationwide campaign.
36:57.000 --> 36:59.726
They will work to repeal
pro-life laws,
36:59.750 --> 37:03.893
pass pro-abortion laws, well,
they didn\'t say pro-abortion,
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but that\'s what they are.
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Enact pro-abortion laws
and pursue litigation
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to strike down laws
they consider to be unjust.
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Now, I will admit
I was a bitamused by that.
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We\'ve been
passing pro-life laws
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in state after state
after state
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for year after
year after year.
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And they think they\'re going to
waltz in and just repeal them?
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It\'s not gonna happen,
so, you know...
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(applause)
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Good luck to them,
but it ain\'t gonna happen.
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- So, we are living at a time
where it\'s not--
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it\'s not just abortion,
it\'s not just contraception,
37:38.499 --> 37:44.476
it\'s not just sex ed,
it is every aspect of pregnancy
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and childbirth
that is now being subject
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to state punishment,
control and surveillance.
37:52.499 --> 37:56.018
(Joan McGregor)
The same young women who are
sexually active
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assume that they have these
rights are unaware
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of the fact that many of these
rights are being eroded.
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- Roe versus Wade,
isn\'t that, uh...
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uh, something to do
with Black History?
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- Yeah, I\'ve heard of it,
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but I don\'t know
the specifics of it.
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- Roe versus Wade, um...
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Man, I studied that
so long ago.
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- Didn\'t that, like, get rid of
segregation between schools?
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(woman)
Does Roe versus Wade
mean anything to you?
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- I\'ve heard it.
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- Wasn\'t it that it made, like,
birth control, uh, legal?
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- Um, it was a landmark decision
by the United States
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Supreme Court
on the issue of abortion.
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- I\'m not surprised that
I didn\'t learn it in school.
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But it does-- it\'s upsetting
that we never learned that.
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- And one, two and three...
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(Carol Tobias)
We have been working for many
years to encourage,
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educate and motivate
young people.
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♪♪
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A lot of our state affiliates
have youth camps.
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(young female)
Basically we are the generation
that\'s gonna stop this.
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So, we need to be educated
and know how to debate
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and talk to people
and change people\'s lives.
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(man)
We will be teaching you
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how to make your pro-life
case persuasive.
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How you-- how to be able
to articulate
your pro-life position.
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(young woman)
When you feel like you don\'t
have enough courage
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to speak up for what
you believe in,
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and you see all these people
here, like, our age,
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it gives you the courage,
like, get out there
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and really spread
the word of God.
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-I know we are going to win
because we are winning
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the hearts and minds
of the young people.
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-The war of abortion
is between life and death,
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and we need everyone to fight.
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It doesn\'t matter
if you are younger or old.
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For allthe teenagers here
like me, God can use you.
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Together, I believe my
generation can end abortion.
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(cheering and applause)
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-It is not progressive
to try to resolve problems
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by eliminating a human life.
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It took 300 years
for the Church to conquer Rome.
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If it takes us 300 years to
conquer the United States
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in regard to life,
we\'ll sit here and do it.
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(cheering)
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♪♪
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- The anti-abortion movement\'s,
uh, laws, rhetoric and strategy,
40:37.500 --> 40:42.435
uh, is really doing something
far greater than only depriving
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women of the right
to choose abortion.
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It\'s establishing precedent
for punishing them
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for experiencing
miscarriages, stillbirths,
40:49.499 --> 40:52.310
for not being able to guarantee
a healthy birth outcome.
40:52.334 --> 40:56.476
And what they\'ve ignored
is the fact that in countries
40:56.500 --> 40:58.185
that have
criminalized abortion,
40:58.209 --> 41:01.185
that today make abortion
illegal, like El Salvador and
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some states in Mexico, of course
the women are going to jail.
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The women are going to jail not
only for having abortions,
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but women who\'ve had
miscarriages and stillbirths
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which are very hard to
distinguish from an abortion.
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♪♪
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(speaking Spanish)
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- So, the notion that abortion
can be recriminalized
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and women won\'t go to jail
is absolutely untrue
42:18.499 --> 42:20.810
and is shown to be untrue
by the fact that women
42:20.834 --> 42:24.893
in every other country where
abortion is illegal, go to jail.
42:24.917 --> 42:27.643
And that women here in the
United States of America
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are already going to jail.
42:29.292 --> 42:32.060
Women who\'ve suffered
miscarriages and stillbirths,
42:32.084 --> 42:34.227
couldn\'t guarantee a healthy
birth outcome,
42:34.251 --> 42:36.601
who did something--
gave birth to a healthy baby,
42:36.625 --> 42:39.559
but somebody believed something
they did during their pregnancy
42:39.583 --> 42:43.394
created a risk of harm,
endangered that baby,
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and women who have attempted
abortions are going to jail.
42:47.792 --> 42:51.851
(newswoman)
Purvi Patel, an Indian-American
woman, became the first person
42:51.875 --> 42:55.310
in U.S. history sentenced to
prison for feticide,
42:55.334 --> 42:56.685
for ending her own pregnancy.
42:56.709 --> 42:59.601
(newswoman 2)
Prosecutors would
later accuse Patel
42:59.625 --> 43:02.394
of taking drugs to try
to end her pregnancy.
43:02.418 --> 43:05.976
(newsman)
23-year-old Kenlissia Jones
is charged with the murder
43:06.000 --> 43:08.726
of her own child in possession
of a dangerous drug.
43:08.750 --> 43:12.018
Investigators say Jones
researched the abortion pill
43:12.042 --> 43:13.768
on the Internet
for a week and a half,
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acquiring Cytotec
from Canada.
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(newsman 2)
35-year-old Bei Bei Shuai has
been behind bars for 432 days.
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Prosecutors charged her with
murder and attempted feticide.
43:24.418 --> 43:27.435
Back in 2010, she was
despondent over a breakup
43:27.459 --> 43:29.810
with her boyfriend
and ate rat poison.
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The child was born but died
several days later.
43:34.084 --> 43:35.435
- All across the country,
43:35.459 --> 43:39.376
we have seen this policing
of the womb.
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(Jennie Linn McCormack)
I didn\'t have the means
to raise another child.
43:48.126 --> 43:52.643
I was single, divorced,
raising three kids,
43:52.667 --> 43:57.143
living on child support
and public assistance.
43:57.167 --> 44:00.185
I had a boyfriend,
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and we were using protection.
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I didn\'t have, um, periods
for a few months
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which was not unusual.
44:10.499 --> 44:13.768
I didn\'t realize I was pregnant
until I started showing.
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- Jennie at this time
was, uh, had an income
44:19.459 --> 44:23.475
with three children
of $250 a month.
44:23.499 --> 44:26.559
- I made calls around Idaho.
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There\'s no abortion clinics
that, um, I could do.
44:31.500 --> 44:35.476
- No physician
in this part of Idaho
44:35.500 --> 44:37.060
will perform an abortion.
44:37.084 --> 44:40.475
- I called down to Utah.
It\'s too expensive.
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It\'s three
and a half hours away.
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- The abortion
would have cost her
44:47.000 --> 44:50.976
close to $2,000, uh,
in Salt Lake.
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Plus, she would have had
a babysitter
44:53.583 --> 44:55.310
at least for one night
44:55.334 --> 45:00.475
if she went to Salt Lake,
and a woman in Jennie\'s position
45:00.499 --> 45:01.476
that was just not an option.
45:01.500 --> 45:06.851
- That\'s when I called
my sister to help me out, um...
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She looked online
and she ordered the pills.
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And they were
sent to me, um...
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And I took them.
45:19.418 --> 45:23.376
By 7:00
in the morning, I, uh...
45:26.499 --> 45:28.499
I aborted.
45:29.959 --> 45:32.709
I wrapped it in a sack,
I put it in a box.
45:35.459 --> 45:38.475
I could not, uh, bury it.
45:38.499 --> 45:41.643
It-- the ground
was frozen.
45:41.667 --> 45:44.643
The only other
thing I could do
45:44.667 --> 45:48.935
is probably put it
in the trash.
45:48.959 --> 45:53.875
And... I couldn\'t do that.
45:54.959 --> 45:58.209
Put it on my back patio, uh...
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I guess a few days later,
46:03.042 --> 46:07.185
my friend
came over, um...
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I\'m not clear exactly
what I said to him about it.
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But, uh...
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He went and told his sister...
46:21.499 --> 46:22.935
...that I had an abortion.
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She called the police.
46:24.667 --> 46:29.227
- The police investigated, uh,
this tip as a crime
46:29.251 --> 46:31.475
because Idaho passed, uh, laws
46:31.499 --> 46:35.810
restricting when a woman
can have an abortion.
46:35.834 --> 46:41.475
And the abortions in Idaho must
be performed by a physician.
46:41.499 --> 46:43.268
And in the second trimester,
46:43.292 --> 46:45.518
they must be performed
in a hospital.
46:45.542 --> 46:51.352
- I look out the window
and there\'s three officers.
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I hear these
two bangs on the doors.
46:56.418 --> 46:59.018
By the time I opened it,
there was four,
46:59.042 --> 47:04.750
and they wanted to know if I had
an unlawful miscarriage.
47:06.000 --> 47:12.475
I said, even if I did, wouldn\'t
that be my personal choice?
47:12.499 --> 47:16.143
He said no.
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Not in some circumstances.
47:19.500 --> 47:21.518
It can be
against the law.
47:21.542 --> 47:23.227
(police radio chatter)
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I honestly didn\'t think I was--
47:24.667 --> 47:26.435
I did anything wrong.
47:26.459 --> 47:30.475
I didn\'t understand that
it was illegal to self-induce.
47:30.499 --> 47:32.601
- Because Jennie,
during the questioning,
47:32.625 --> 47:36.643
admitted that she had, uh,
taken pills with the intent
47:36.667 --> 47:39.394
to induce an abortion,
47:39.418 --> 47:44.499
the police investigated
this as a felony.
47:44.959 --> 47:49.768
The case was treated in--
like it was a homicide.
47:49.792 --> 47:51.976
Although the abortion law
47:52.000 --> 47:56.559
is not the same law
as a homicide, um,
47:56.583 --> 47:59.268
in this area,
47:59.292 --> 48:05.435
abortion is murder to many,
many people.
48:05.459 --> 48:07.394
(Jennie)
I turned myself in.
48:07.418 --> 48:09.310
They fingerprinted me, um,
48:09.334 --> 48:14.475
took my picture
and gave me my charges.
48:14.499 --> 48:16.475
The newspaper came out.
48:16.499 --> 48:17.475
People were looking at me
48:17.499 --> 48:21.475
with some disgusting
looks on their face.
48:21.499 --> 48:23.435
(Richard)
Jennie was a pariah, uh...
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She lost, uh, her job at a dry
cleaners because people would
48:28.376 --> 48:33.060
not even allow her to handle
their dirty clothes.
48:33.084 --> 48:34.518
- I turned into a hermit.
48:34.542 --> 48:38.917
I couldn\'t go to the store,
people were snickering at me.
48:42.126 --> 48:44.060
I just stayed home
all the time.
48:44.084 --> 48:46.601
- When the charges were
dismissed at the probable
48:46.625 --> 48:51.726
cause hearing, we went-- we were
afraid that the prosecutor
48:51.750 --> 48:55.102
might re-file charges
because he was so aggressively
48:55.126 --> 49:00.143
pursuing Jennie that we filed
in Federal District Court.
49:00.167 --> 49:04.810
The Federal courts found the
Idaho law was an undue burden
49:04.834 --> 49:10.394
on Jennie\'s access
to an abortion.
49:10.418 --> 49:13.518
- You have no clue how I feel.
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How my kids, what this
has done to my family.
49:18.209 --> 49:23.459
I have never regretted
having an abortion.
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I just wish
it didn\'t happen like this.
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-Lord, we\'re here today
to represent you.
49:34.917 --> 49:37.475
We pray your blessings
upon our legislators,
49:37.499 --> 49:42.475
and we thank you for them and
those who stand for life.
49:42.499 --> 49:48.475
-I am declaring this election
year, 2016,
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the year
of the innocent unborn.
49:52.667 --> 49:56.435
May this year, 2016,
go down in history
49:56.459 --> 49:58.185
as a year of repentance,
49:58.209 --> 50:02.976
a year of turning around
this American holocaust.
50:03.000 --> 50:04.475
(applause)
50:04.499 --> 50:08.352
-Now, I have a bill that I will
introduce into the House today.
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I imagine I\'ll have a lot of
co-sponsors on it.
50:11.292 --> 50:15.810
But it\'s a constitutional
amendment that will define
50:15.834 --> 50:19.394
when life begins
in the state of Alabama.
50:19.418 --> 50:22.394
We have to say
at the very beginning
50:22.418 --> 50:23.893
of our founding document
50:23.917 --> 50:26.475
that life begins
at conception.
50:26.499 --> 50:31.143
Life begins at that moment
and we have to respect it.
50:31.167 --> 50:36.352
And we will respect it
from the beginning to the end.
50:36.376 --> 50:38.475
- There is no way to add
fertilized eggs,
50:38.499 --> 50:40.475
embryos or fetuses
to the Constitution
50:40.499 --> 50:44.810
without subtracting pregnant
women from that community.
50:44.834 --> 50:47.851
What the anti-abortion movement
in this country, uh,
50:47.875 --> 50:50.475
the movement that\'s trying
to re-criminalize abortion
50:50.499 --> 50:53.018
is putting in place
is a mechanism by which
50:53.042 --> 50:58.475
any of the six million people
who become pregnant each year
50:58.499 --> 51:01.976
could be subject
to arrest and prosecution.
51:02.000 --> 51:06.268
- If they can get this being
a person at the point
51:06.292 --> 51:11.102
of conception, then you see you
cannot terminate a pregnancy
51:11.126 --> 51:14.959
because you are then getting
into the field of murder.
51:15.542 --> 51:18.475
(man)
Personhood is the new
Civil Rights Movement
51:18.499 --> 51:20.102
for the 21st Century.
51:20.126 --> 51:23.268
It is the fulfillment
of our potential as a people
51:23.292 --> 51:24.143
and as a nation.
51:24.167 --> 51:28.102
And it is reinvigorating the
culture of life in our society.
51:28.126 --> 51:31.518
- The goal was to boil down to
the very basic principle
51:31.542 --> 51:36.768
of our cause that the most,
um, the, the large majority
51:36.792 --> 51:38.352
of people could grab onto.
51:38.376 --> 51:40.475
And that would be
basically said
51:40.499 --> 51:43.559
in enough characters
to fit into a tweet.
51:43.583 --> 51:48.476
And so, we were able to boil
down to a single word,
and that\'s \"Personhood.\"
51:48.500 --> 51:53.310
(man)
Before us lies the arduous road
of the many battles to come
51:53.334 --> 51:55.559
as we seek a federal
constitutional amendment
51:55.583 --> 51:57.185
that protects
allhuman life.
51:57.209 --> 52:00.976
- To break out of sort of this
tired rhetoric of pro-life,
52:01.000 --> 52:05.475
pro-choice, Republican,
Democrat, dah-dah-dah, you know,
52:05.499 --> 52:08.394
this-- we needed to come at this
issue from a whole nother
52:08.418 --> 52:13.185
perspective, in a whole nother,
um, um, way of thinking.
52:13.209 --> 52:15.601
We take a social
movement approach
52:15.625 --> 52:19.268
which has been emulated
by the marijuana movement,
52:19.292 --> 52:23.475
the gay rights movement, uh,
many environmental movements.
52:23.499 --> 52:24.435
Things like that.
52:24.459 --> 52:26.685
If you look at the actions that
we\'ve taken, you\'ll be--
52:26.709 --> 52:30.102
you would be able to identify
that that\'s been our blueprint.
52:30.126 --> 52:32.935
I could care less
about the Supreme Court.
52:32.959 --> 52:37.102
Uh, to me, uh, it\'s not our goal
to overturn Roe versus Wade.
52:37.126 --> 52:39.518
I don\'t think
it will ever be overturned.
52:39.542 --> 52:41.499
We don\'t need it to be.
52:42.499 --> 52:47.060
- So, part of the legal strategy
was to pepper throughout
52:47.084 --> 52:52.476
the statutes in every state,
references to the unborn,
52:52.500 --> 52:55.685
to fetal life,
to giving the fetus
52:55.709 --> 52:59.268
as much legal status
as possible.
52:59.292 --> 53:03.499
♪♪
53:11.292 --> 53:12.476
- South Carolina
was the first state
53:12.500 --> 53:16.851
to declare a viable fetus
to be a person.
53:16.875 --> 53:19.352
The Medical University
of South Carolina had a policy
53:19.376 --> 53:23.601
back in the \'80s of actually
testing women who came through
53:23.625 --> 53:25.227
their system
for illegal drugs
53:25.251 --> 53:27.475
when they would do
a routine blood, blood test.
53:27.499 --> 53:32.475
- It was very much focused
on black women who were poor.
53:32.499 --> 53:35.935
What they did not know is that
the Medical University
53:35.959 --> 53:40.810
of South Carolina was engaging
in this surreptitious process
53:40.834 --> 53:42.851
with police
and with prosecutors.
53:42.875 --> 53:46.976
What they did not know is that
every bit of information
53:47.000 --> 53:49.475
that they would tell
nurses and doctors
53:49.499 --> 53:51.643
for the furtherance
of their care
53:51.667 --> 53:55.475
would actually be told to
police and prosecutors
53:55.499 --> 53:59.268
without their knowledge,
without them ever being read
53:59.292 --> 54:03.185
any kind of Miranda Right
or anything else like that.
54:03.209 --> 54:06.685
There were dozens of women
who were dragged out
54:06.709 --> 54:10.475
of the Medical University
of South Carolina hospital,
54:10.499 --> 54:14.310
dragged out bloodied,
in bloodied gowns,
54:14.334 --> 54:19.475
shackled and tossed in the back
of police cars.
54:19.499 --> 54:21.976
These were women
who were left out on their own.
54:22.000 --> 54:25.976
It wasn\'t part of a narrative
about choice, right?
54:26.000 --> 54:29.475
And so there were organizations
that didn\'t come to the aid
54:29.499 --> 54:32.476
of these women,
and I think they didn\'t see
54:32.500 --> 54:34.625
that that was the start.
54:36.542 --> 54:39.475
(C. Rauch)
Cornelia Whitner
is an African American
54:39.499 --> 54:44.976
from Greenville, South Carolina
who was charged with child abuse
54:45.000 --> 54:48.685
because her child tested
positive for drugs at birth.
54:48.709 --> 54:51.475
She pled guilty to it.
54:51.499 --> 54:54.685
At sentencing, uh,
Cornelia Whitner admitted
54:54.709 --> 54:57.394
that she was addicted
to drugs, um...
54:57.418 --> 55:00.976
She asked for some help
with her drug addiction.
55:01.000 --> 55:03.583
And the help
she got was jail.
55:04.499 --> 55:06.209
(cell door shuts)
55:06.750 --> 55:08.475
I got involved
in the case in what we call
55:08.499 --> 55:12.185
a Post-Conviction Relief Action,
which is after you\'re convicted,
55:12.209 --> 55:15.810
you try to overturn your
conviction on some ground.
55:15.834 --> 55:20.102
We took the position
that a, uh,
55:20.126 --> 55:22.018
viable fetus
is not a child
55:22.042 --> 55:24.726
within the meaning
of the Child Abuse Act.
55:24.750 --> 55:26.851
The Lower Court
agreed with us.
55:26.875 --> 55:30.935
The State took an appeal
from that case.
55:30.959 --> 55:33.018
Ultimately the South Carolina
Supreme Court
55:33.042 --> 55:35.475
reversed the Lower Court
decision,
55:35.499 --> 55:39.875
reinstated her conviction
by a three to two vote.
55:41.251 --> 55:45.935
It actually took them
ironically, 28 months to finally
55:45.959 --> 55:51.143
decide what the word \"child\"
meant within our code, uh...
55:51.167 --> 55:54.475
And they said in the opinion
that the word \"child\"--
55:54.499 --> 55:57.475
meaning of the word \"child\"
is plain and unambiguous,
55:57.499 --> 56:00.976
to which I responded when it
takes you 28 months to decide
56:01.000 --> 56:05.542
what a word means, it is neither
plain nor unambiguous.
56:08.292 --> 56:11.475
The anti-abortionists would like
to take the Whitner decision
56:11.499 --> 56:15.475
as authority
for pushing personhood
56:15.499 --> 56:19.435
as far as they can toward
the moment of conception.
56:19.459 --> 56:21.435
- When you put the fetus
on equal grounds,
56:21.459 --> 56:25.559
the law then becomes the arbiter
of what is right and good
56:25.583 --> 56:29.518
for that woman\'s pregnancy,
for her health and her life.
56:29.542 --> 56:33.102
(bells tolling melody)
56:33.126 --> 56:38.268
- In Alabama, there have been
over 500 prosecutions
56:38.292 --> 56:39.310
of pregnant woman.
56:39.334 --> 56:42.435
We have hundreds of women
who have taken plea deals
56:42.459 --> 56:46.102
under a law that\'s a child
endangerment statute
56:46.126 --> 56:50.352
that it\'s proponent
said was never intended
56:50.376 --> 56:53.310
to be applied
to pregnant women.
56:53.334 --> 56:56.851
♪♪
56:56.875 --> 57:01.102
- This area, at least initially,
was where methamphetamine began
57:01.126 --> 57:02.810
to have its most
significant problems,
57:02.834 --> 57:06.475
specifically with, uh, homemade
Mom and Pop meth labs.
57:06.499 --> 57:10.601
And so, we worked with our own
legislative delegation,
57:10.625 --> 57:12.475
ultimately with our legislature
57:12.499 --> 57:14.475
to develop our own
chemical endangerment law.
57:14.499 --> 57:18.976
- The chemical endangerment
statute was intended to apply
57:19.000 --> 57:25.018
to children exposed to meth labs
and drug abuse at home, um...
57:25.042 --> 57:27.768
and the harmful chemicals
and, you know,
57:27.792 --> 57:29.268
the dangers
associated with that.
57:29.292 --> 57:34.810
- For us it was, uh, an avenue
to try to deal with what we saw.
57:34.834 --> 57:38.227
It was a growing problem of
children, uh, that were
57:38.251 --> 57:41.018
testing positive in our local
hospitals upon birth.
57:41.042 --> 57:45.475
Our theory at that point in time
was for the definition of child,
57:45.499 --> 57:48.268
that it included a child
in utero, for purposes of being
57:48.292 --> 57:52.310
able to charge for the mother
exposing that child
57:52.334 --> 57:53.976
to a controlled substance
while pregnant.
57:54.000 --> 57:57.935
- And then these prosecutions
of pregnant women began
57:57.959 --> 58:01.185
which was a misconstruction
of that statute
58:01.209 --> 58:03.625
and misapplication
to that conduct.
58:04.499 --> 58:08.143
(newsman)
Casey Shehi charged with one
count of chemical endangerment
58:08.167 --> 58:11.227
of exposing a child to an
environment in which controlled
58:11.251 --> 58:14.518
substances are ingested,
produced or distributed,
58:14.542 --> 58:16.310
which is a felony.
58:16.334 --> 58:20.476
- I can\'t think of anything
worse than to be called
58:20.500 --> 58:24.143
a child abuser, you know,
a neglectful mother,
58:24.167 --> 58:28.394
because that\'s really what that
charge says, to me, anyway.
58:28.418 --> 58:31.352
(Ann Sharpe)
My daughter Casey was
having a rough pregnancy.
58:31.376 --> 58:33.518
She had already been in the
hospital a couple of times.
58:33.542 --> 58:36.726
She had a condition
called preeclampsia.
58:36.750 --> 58:38.559
She was swollen to the point
58:38.583 --> 58:40.476
that her skin
was ready to burst.
58:40.500 --> 58:43.352
- Started having contractions,
preterm labor, and my doctor
58:43.376 --> 58:47.394
took me out of work at that
point and put me on bed rest.
58:47.418 --> 58:50.352
- She called me one night,
hysterical.
58:50.376 --> 58:52.768
- I was on the phone
one night with my ex-husband.
58:52.792 --> 58:56.810
We got into a big fight, um,
about my--
58:56.834 --> 58:58.268
our son, my oldest son.
58:58.292 --> 59:01.476
- It took me a while
to get her to calm down,
59:01.500 --> 59:03.143
even for her to tell me.
59:03.167 --> 59:03.893
I was terrified.
59:03.917 --> 59:05.018
Didn\'t know what had happened.
59:05.042 --> 59:09.768
- I was crazy, nervous,
and hyperventilating,
59:09.792 --> 59:12.475
and, um, just couldn\'t...
59:12.499 --> 59:14.475
I couldn\'t function,
I couldn\'t sleep.
59:14.499 --> 59:15.475
I was crying uncontrollably.
59:15.499 --> 59:18.935
- I\'m the one who said, do you
have something you can take?
59:18.959 --> 59:20.227
You have got
to go to sleep.
59:20.251 --> 59:23.185
You\'ve got to calm yourself down
or you will lose this baby.
59:23.209 --> 59:27.475
- My boyfriend at that time
had a prescription for Valium.
59:27.499 --> 59:31.893
Um, I asked him, let me
have a half of your Valium
59:31.917 --> 59:34.475
just so that I can calm down
and go to sleep.
59:34.499 --> 59:35.851
- I thought nothing of it.
59:35.875 --> 59:37.851
I thought, okay,
you know, a half of--
59:37.875 --> 59:39.018
half a Valium is, is fine.
59:39.042 --> 59:42.685
I thought there was no way any
harm would ever come from that.
59:42.709 --> 59:45.559
- I went to my last doctor\'s
appointment about four weeks
59:45.583 --> 59:50.643
before my due date, and my blood
pressure was through the roof.
59:50.667 --> 59:55.583
So, the doctor admitted me
and I had a baby that day.
59:56.625 --> 01:00:01.143
So, one of the nurses came in,
and she kind of whispered to me,
01:00:01.167 --> 01:00:04.268
we\'re going to have to take
James to the nursery
01:00:04.292 --> 01:00:07.310
until he can produce
his first void
01:00:07.334 --> 01:00:10.435
because you had
a positive drug screen.
01:00:10.459 --> 01:00:14.851
It was positive for
a benzodiazepine.
01:00:14.875 --> 01:00:16.476
I said that can\'t be right.
01:00:16.500 --> 01:00:17.475
That can\'t be right.
01:00:17.499 --> 01:00:20.143
Half of the Valium
that I took earlier wasweeks,
01:00:20.167 --> 01:00:22.475
almost a month
before he was born.
01:00:22.499 --> 01:00:24.643
There\'s no way it was still
in my system, no way.
01:00:24.667 --> 01:00:28.475
I said, that, that\'s impossible,
that can\'t be true.
01:00:28.499 --> 01:00:30.643
Please test
that sample again.
01:00:30.667 --> 01:00:33.352
And they did,
they tested the sample again.
01:00:33.376 --> 01:00:35.394
And she said that it came back
the same,
01:00:35.418 --> 01:00:37.060
still positive for Benzo.
01:00:37.084 --> 01:00:40.143
And I said, okay, um, I need you
to send that sample out
01:00:40.167 --> 01:00:43.685
to LabCorp, an offsite,
you know, laboratory,
01:00:43.709 --> 01:00:47.060
to see really if there was any--
if it was positive or negative.
01:00:47.084 --> 01:00:52.475
And they did, um, but, of
course, I didn\'t find out those
results until days later.
01:00:52.499 --> 01:00:56.018
(Ann)
James had nothing in his system.
01:00:56.042 --> 01:01:01.435
And she had a minimal amount
of whatever is in a Valium.
01:01:01.459 --> 01:01:05.976
(Casey)
It was six weeks after James
was born, I went back to work.
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:09.476
My boss comes walking down
the hall, and she just comes
01:01:09.500 --> 01:01:12.935
in my office and closes
the door behind her.
01:01:12.959 --> 01:01:16.060
And that made me a little
nervous, you know.
01:01:16.084 --> 01:01:17.935
What is she about to tell me?
01:01:17.959 --> 01:01:19.643
Um, She said, \"Casey,
01:01:19.667 --> 01:01:23.227
there are three
investigators in the lobby.\"
01:01:23.251 --> 01:01:25.394
The gentleman there said,
01:01:25.418 --> 01:01:26.976
\"we have a warrant
for your arrest.
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:29.352
And we\'re gonna have
to take you to jail.\"
01:01:29.376 --> 01:01:31.559
And I said, \"what\'s,
what\'s the charge?
01:01:31.583 --> 01:01:32.475
What is it for?\"
01:01:32.499 --> 01:01:36.559
He said \"Chemical Endangerment
of a Child.\"
01:01:36.583 --> 01:01:41.018
I said,
\"Chemical endangerment
of a Child.\"
01:01:41.042 --> 01:01:45.475
And then I... I put it together
that it had to have been
01:01:45.499 --> 01:01:49.084
from the positive
drug screen at the hospital.
01:01:50.625 --> 01:01:54.060
While I was in that jail
for the time that I was,
01:01:54.084 --> 01:01:55.935
you know, they,
they interviewed me.
01:01:55.959 --> 01:01:58.768
And here\'s where I made
the biggest mistake, um...
01:01:58.792 --> 01:02:01.768
I genuinely thought that he was
gonna try to help me.
01:02:01.792 --> 01:02:04.310
\'Cause he said he was,
you know?
01:02:04.334 --> 01:02:08.018
And, um, uh,
I, I was honest with him.
01:02:08.042 --> 01:02:12.018
I was honest with him about what
I\'d done and what I\'d taken.
01:02:12.042 --> 01:02:15.810
Um, and that
was the onlyrealevidence
01:02:15.834 --> 01:02:18.518
that they had against me
was my confession.
01:02:18.542 --> 01:02:20.976
The drug tests
from the hospital
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.475
were all received
without chain of command.
01:02:23.499 --> 01:02:26.227
There was nothing that
that could be held up in court.
01:02:26.251 --> 01:02:28.475
And right after I got
out of jail,
01:02:28.499 --> 01:02:32.475
I asked-- requested from the
hospital all my medical records
01:02:32.499 --> 01:02:34.060
from when the baby was born.
01:02:34.084 --> 01:02:37.475
And in that medical record
was actually the result
01:02:37.499 --> 01:02:41.810
from the offsite lab that I had
requested, and it was negative.
01:02:41.834 --> 01:02:46.435
It dragged on and
on and it finally--
01:02:46.459 --> 01:02:48.394
they said that it had gone
before the grand jury,
01:02:48.418 --> 01:02:49.893
and they decided that
there was no evidence
01:02:49.917 --> 01:02:52.518
to support the arrest,
so it was not processed.
01:02:52.542 --> 01:02:57.475
- Now in order to get it off her
record is going to cost her
01:02:57.499 --> 01:03:00.185
$2,000 plus
attorney\'s fees
01:03:00.209 --> 01:03:04.893
for their making an arrest
that they cannot substantiate.
01:03:04.917 --> 01:03:08.227
- I need to be redeemed
somehow...
01:03:08.251 --> 01:03:09.018
(sniffles)
01:03:09.042 --> 01:03:12.475
to show all
of the people that, you know,
01:03:12.499 --> 01:03:18.475
believed that I was
a danger to my son
01:03:18.499 --> 01:03:22.435
without knowing
the truth, you know.
01:03:22.459 --> 01:03:24.601
I want them
to know the truth.
01:03:24.625 --> 01:03:25.893
I want \'em to know
the truth.
01:03:25.917 --> 01:03:29.893
And maybe it\'s
for selfish reasons.
01:03:29.917 --> 01:03:31.976
I don\'t-- maybe it\'s because
I just don\'t want
01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:34.459
people thinking
of me that way.
01:03:41.499 --> 01:03:43.475
(heavy breathing)
01:03:43.499 --> 01:03:45.060
(man off camera)
Calm down.
01:03:45.084 --> 01:03:51.475
(Debi Word)
It\'s scary, it is, it is scary
watching someone have a seizure.
01:03:51.499 --> 01:03:54.418
You feel like
she\'s about to die.
01:03:56.959 --> 01:04:01.143
(Katie Darovitz)
When I found out that I was
pregnant for the first time,
01:04:01.167 --> 01:04:05.685
I would definitely say
I was scared.
01:04:05.709 --> 01:04:07.352
I was scared mainly because
01:04:07.376 --> 01:04:12.499
I didn\'t know how things would
go with me having epilepsy.
01:04:16.167 --> 01:04:20.851
- And then twelve weeks later,
she lost the baby.
01:04:20.875 --> 01:04:23.394
- I went to the doctor.
01:04:23.418 --> 01:04:25.310
And he told me
I had a miscarriage.
01:04:25.334 --> 01:04:28.768
- The doctors told her that
it was more than likely because
01:04:28.792 --> 01:04:32.102
of her anti-seizure medicine.
01:04:32.126 --> 01:04:34.435
And that she may not
be able to have a baby.
01:04:34.459 --> 01:04:40.476
- And when I got pregnant again,
I was definitely happy and...
01:04:40.500 --> 01:04:44.268
I would definitely
say that I knew more
01:04:44.292 --> 01:04:47.810
of what to do this time.
01:04:47.834 --> 01:04:52.143
I researched
all my medicine.
01:04:52.167 --> 01:04:54.935
And the images online
01:04:54.959 --> 01:04:58.102
of the different
side effects,
01:04:58.126 --> 01:05:03.518
cleft palate, club foot,
um, spina bifida.
01:05:03.542 --> 01:05:06.475
I had seen on one website
01:05:06.499 --> 01:05:09.893
that marijuana
has no effects
01:05:09.917 --> 01:05:12.334
on the child during pregnancy.
01:05:14.126 --> 01:05:17.768
- When she got pregnant
the second time,
01:05:17.792 --> 01:05:21.601
I highly suspected that
she had been using cannabis.
01:05:21.625 --> 01:05:28.475
- I just stopped taking the
medicine and started smoking.
01:05:28.499 --> 01:05:29.976
My seizures had stopped.
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:35.394
I felt like that was the better
choice to save my son.
01:05:35.418 --> 01:05:40.976
(Debi)
Will weighed seven pounds,
eight ounces, perfectly healthy.
01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:46.559
Came out open-eyed,
looking around, just...
01:05:46.583 --> 01:05:51.227
fat little baby,
like a little butterball, um...
01:05:51.251 --> 01:05:53.726
You know, it--
he was just...
01:05:53.750 --> 01:05:57.851
He was really...
It was a really good day.
01:05:57.875 --> 01:06:00.102
And then Katy called me.
She was crying.
01:06:00.126 --> 01:06:05.268
She said that she had tested
positive and that she was sorry.
01:06:05.292 --> 01:06:09.060
And, um, she knew that I had
warned her, uh, but she felt
01:06:09.084 --> 01:06:12.893
like she had to do what she felt
was right for the baby.
01:06:12.917 --> 01:06:17.601
- They drug tested me
without my permission.
01:06:17.625 --> 01:06:19.475
- She was never asked.
01:06:19.499 --> 01:06:24.726
Never signed a form saying
can we do a drug test on you?
01:06:24.750 --> 01:06:28.394
They said that\'s all part
of patient care.
01:06:28.418 --> 01:06:29.643
When you sign
01:06:29.667 --> 01:06:33.768
that you accept their care,
01:06:33.792 --> 01:06:36.499
they can do whatever tests
they want on you.
01:06:38.209 --> 01:06:39.601
- I was in bed.
01:06:39.625 --> 01:06:43.475
Actually, just about to wake up
and then the phone rang.
01:06:43.499 --> 01:06:47.268
The officer\'s name
was Officer Hopkins.
01:06:47.292 --> 01:06:50.475
He had introduced himself
and he said,
01:06:50.499 --> 01:06:53.685
\"I need to talk to you
about a case.\"
01:06:53.709 --> 01:06:57.476
The next thing I know,
he\'s knocking on the door.
01:06:57.500 --> 01:06:59.518
Open up the door,
he comes in,
01:06:59.542 --> 01:07:04.475
and he\'s getting out the
handcuffs, and he was, like,
01:07:04.499 --> 01:07:06.018
\"We have a warrant
for your arrest.\"
01:07:06.042 --> 01:07:10.227
- My son called me and said that
the sheriff was there
01:07:10.251 --> 01:07:12.475
to pick Katie up,
and they were arresting her.
01:07:12.499 --> 01:07:17.292
And they were charging her with
Chemical Child Endangerment.
01:07:19.583 --> 01:07:21.476
Katie was taken to the jail.
01:07:21.500 --> 01:07:25.475
She was very unstable
and crying hysterically
01:07:25.499 --> 01:07:27.475
after she got to the jail.
01:07:27.499 --> 01:07:29.851
So, they put her
on suicide watch.
01:07:29.875 --> 01:07:32.475
- They put me
in a suicide suit.
01:07:32.499 --> 01:07:37.475
It was like a paper onesie,
no underwear, nothing.
01:07:37.499 --> 01:07:41.851
- She was still bleeding
from having the baby.
01:07:41.875 --> 01:07:47.518
She was getting blood
on her paper scrubs.
01:07:47.542 --> 01:07:50.976
She was also still lactating.
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:54.475
She didn\'t have
any protection from that.
01:07:54.499 --> 01:07:58.851
She was not allowed to be
in a cell with the other girls.
01:07:58.875 --> 01:08:04.475
Her suicide watch was for her
to sit in the hallway
01:08:04.499 --> 01:08:07.268
so they could watch her.
01:08:07.292 --> 01:08:10.976
- I remember the department
nurse asking me specifically
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:14.893
\"Did I feel
like hurting myself.\"
01:08:14.917 --> 01:08:17.601
And I looked at her
and I said, \"No.\"
01:08:17.625 --> 01:08:19.685
I just had a baby.
01:08:19.709 --> 01:08:22.475
I have to live for him.
01:08:22.499 --> 01:08:26.060
(baby babbling)
01:08:26.084 --> 01:08:29.685
(Kate)
She could be sentenced
for ten years in prison?
01:08:29.709 --> 01:08:33.518
Ten years in-- Till this child
is ten years old?
01:08:33.542 --> 01:08:37.268
I can\'t imagine
this baby
01:08:37.292 --> 01:08:40.935
being away from his mother
for that long
01:08:40.959 --> 01:08:44.851
and wondering what happened.
01:08:44.875 --> 01:08:49.475
- It hurts that
a lot of people
01:08:49.499 --> 01:08:53.542
don\'t understand
why I made that choice.
01:08:55.126 --> 01:09:01.143
And I just hope that the day my
son can understand what I did,
01:09:01.167 --> 01:09:05.499
I hope he doesn\'t hate me for
it because it was illegal.
01:09:08.376 --> 01:09:09.559
And I hope he understands
01:09:09.583 --> 01:09:13.542
that I just...
I love my son.
01:09:18.167 --> 01:09:21.435
- These women are caught up
in that pro-life/Personhood
01:09:21.459 --> 01:09:24.475
movement or fight
that\'s going on.
01:09:24.499 --> 01:09:26.185
-And I ask you
for your prayers,
01:09:26.209 --> 01:09:28.227
and I ask you for the prayers
on this house,
01:09:28.251 --> 01:09:29.810
that we can change
this situation
01:09:29.834 --> 01:09:32.476
and make
Alabama abortion-free.
01:09:32.500 --> 01:09:33.476
Thank you.
01:09:33.500 --> 01:09:35.976
(Carmen)
In the cases that
I handled on appeal,
01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:41.227
I knew that, um, abortion and,
you know the right to life,
01:09:41.251 --> 01:09:42.394
these were gonna be issues.
01:09:42.418 --> 01:09:46.476
My position was that this
interpretation of the statute
01:09:46.500 --> 01:09:50.185
is doing the opposite
of protecting unborn life.
01:09:50.209 --> 01:09:55.726
- If you\'re threatened with the
potential of incarceration
01:09:55.750 --> 01:09:59.475
by revealing your
full health history,
01:09:59.499 --> 01:10:02.394
why in the world
would you go to see a doctor?
01:10:02.418 --> 01:10:04.268
- You have women,
for example,
01:10:04.292 --> 01:10:06.559
um, in states
with strong restrictions
01:10:06.583 --> 01:10:09.475
or strong criminalization laws
for drug use,
01:10:09.499 --> 01:10:12.352
giving birth in their cars
instead of going to the hospital
01:10:12.376 --> 01:10:13.685
because they\'re afraid to be
drug tested.
01:10:13.709 --> 01:10:17.060
- Now, I know of one case
in particular in this area
01:10:17.084 --> 01:10:20.475
where a woman gave birth
to a two-pound premature baby
01:10:20.499 --> 01:10:23.352
at home in her bathtub, and she
stayed at home for about
01:10:23.376 --> 01:10:26.893
three days before she went to
the hospital to seek appropriate
01:10:26.917 --> 01:10:30.435
medical care for herself
and this premature newborn.
01:10:30.459 --> 01:10:33.018
And it was because she was
afraid of being arrested.
01:10:33.042 --> 01:10:36.726
- In some states, it\'s safer for
a woman to go and give birth
01:10:36.750 --> 01:10:38.851
in a developing country
than it is
01:10:38.875 --> 01:10:41.435
to actually
give birth in that state.
01:10:41.459 --> 01:10:43.435
So, from a public health
perspective,
01:10:43.459 --> 01:10:46.726
we\'re really missing the mark
in terms of this policing.
01:10:46.750 --> 01:10:52.475
- If you carry the Personhood
statutes to their logical
01:10:52.499 --> 01:10:56.476
extreme and say that...
01:10:56.500 --> 01:10:58.685
life begins
at conception,
01:10:58.709 --> 01:11:04.893
then what you\'re saying
is that the state has the right
01:11:04.917 --> 01:11:08.643
to intervene in a woman\'s life
from the second
01:11:08.667 --> 01:11:12.976
she becomes pregnant,
intervene in a big way,
01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:15.976
such as saying what you
can take, can\'t take,
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:20.185
what you can do and can\'t do,
uh, and that\'s,
01:11:20.209 --> 01:11:23.143
that\'s an intrusion
in the life of an individual
01:11:23.167 --> 01:11:28.499
that should shock every true
conservative in this country.
01:11:37.042 --> 01:11:40.102
(church bell rings)
01:11:40.126 --> 01:11:44.209
♪♪
01:11:48.499 --> 01:11:52.394
- At the same time that we\'ve
had this shift in the rhetoric
01:11:52.418 --> 01:11:54.310
and the environment
around abortion
01:11:54.334 --> 01:11:57.851
and reproductive rights,
where we have this increasing
01:11:57.875 --> 01:11:59.476
stigma on abortion,
01:11:59.500 --> 01:12:03.475
we also have a growth
of a Catholic hospital system.
01:12:03.499 --> 01:12:07.310
So, while the anti-choice
movement was in the courts
01:12:07.334 --> 01:12:11.102
and in the legislatures and
doing the propaganda campaigns,
01:12:11.126 --> 01:12:15.435
at the same time you have
the hospital system,
the health care system,
01:12:15.459 --> 01:12:18.394
sort of a fourth place where
these attacks were happening.
01:12:18.418 --> 01:12:23.475
- Catholic hospital mergers
and Catholic hospital buyouts
01:12:23.499 --> 01:12:24.810
of local hospitals
01:12:24.834 --> 01:12:29.601
and the rise of anti-choice
legislation
01:12:29.625 --> 01:12:31.475
have created the perfect storm.
01:12:31.499 --> 01:12:34.475
- It is the location
where politics,
01:12:34.499 --> 01:12:37.976
religion and medicine intersect.
01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:40.935
(all chanting)
Stop the merger!
01:12:40.959 --> 01:12:43.185
Stop the merger!
01:12:43.209 --> 01:12:44.102
(man)
We can!
01:12:44.126 --> 01:12:45.268
(all)
Stop the merger!
01:12:45.292 --> 01:12:48.394
-The beef that I have
with this whole concept
01:12:48.418 --> 01:12:49.475
is this right here.
01:12:49.499 --> 01:12:53.018
It\'s called The Ethical
and Religious Directives.
01:12:53.042 --> 01:12:54.060
If it wasn\'t for this,
01:12:54.084 --> 01:12:55.976
I think we would have
an ongoing discussion.
01:12:56.000 --> 01:13:01.475
But this here ties your rights,
my rights, everybody\'s rights,
01:13:01.499 --> 01:13:04.435
because it doesn\'t
allow us to practice
01:13:04.459 --> 01:13:08.143
the type of medicine that
you are entitled to.
01:13:08.167 --> 01:13:11.475
(woman)
We\'re not against the Catholics
or the Catholic Church.
01:13:11.499 --> 01:13:16.018
People shouldn\'t be able
to make rules and partnerships
01:13:16.042 --> 01:13:17.685
like this without any input.
01:13:17.709 --> 01:13:20.475
This is the only place
in the county I can practice
01:13:20.499 --> 01:13:23.060
obstetrics and gynecology.
01:13:23.084 --> 01:13:25.352
I think,
one of the signs says,
01:13:25.376 --> 01:13:28.810
it should be under state law,
not under canon law.
01:13:28.834 --> 01:13:30.768
(cheering and applause)
01:13:30.792 --> 01:13:34.102
- Even though there are variety
of Catholic health care networks
01:13:34.126 --> 01:13:37.310
and there\'s actually
quite a lot of them,
01:13:37.334 --> 01:13:39.935
in order to be considered
a Catholic hospital,
01:13:39.959 --> 01:13:43.518
they have to comply with the
Ethical and Religious Directives
01:13:43.542 --> 01:13:45.976
for Catholic Health Care
services.
01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:50.268
And those are very
specific policies
01:13:50.292 --> 01:13:51.475
written by the U.S. Bishops.
01:13:51.499 --> 01:13:54.810
-If you\'re a Catholic facility,
your medical ethics
01:13:54.834 --> 01:13:56.976
come from the fact
you\'re Catholic.
01:13:57.000 --> 01:13:58.976
And as Catholics,
we have great concern
01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:00.768
for the dignity
of every human person.
01:14:00.792 --> 01:14:06.475
- Catholic health care is as old
as the Catholic Church.
01:14:06.499 --> 01:14:11.475
And, uh, it-- Catholic
health care is seen as
01:14:11.499 --> 01:14:14.810
an integral ministry
of the Church.
01:14:14.834 --> 01:14:16.394
We currently have
a Holy Father
01:14:16.418 --> 01:14:20.268
who describes the Catholic
Church as a field hospital.
01:14:20.292 --> 01:14:24.143
(Freedman)
When a Catholic hospital takes
over a non-Catholic hospital,
01:14:24.167 --> 01:14:27.394
then they usually lose their
abortion services.
01:14:27.418 --> 01:14:31.518
They also lose their ability to
offer sterilizations to women.
01:14:31.542 --> 01:14:33.685
And women really
rely on sterilization
01:14:33.709 --> 01:14:37.435
much more than we realize
around the country.
01:14:37.459 --> 01:14:41.499
♪♪
01:14:44.499 --> 01:14:47.102
(Mary Jo Deppen)
Every time I had a kid,
it\'s always been in the back
01:14:47.126 --> 01:14:51.685
of my head, how am I gonna
take care of all these people?
01:14:51.709 --> 01:14:53.475
(sniffles)
01:14:53.499 --> 01:14:56.060
I had four children.
01:14:56.084 --> 01:14:58.601
I was falling deeper
into poverty.
01:14:58.625 --> 01:15:00.060
I was starting to grow up
01:15:00.084 --> 01:15:02.475
and mature a little
and freaking out.
01:15:02.499 --> 01:15:03.476
What am I doing with my life?
01:15:03.500 --> 01:15:06.227
How am I going to take care
of everybody?
01:15:06.251 --> 01:15:09.601
Um, I really wanted
to get the tubal done.
01:15:09.625 --> 01:15:11.601
I didn\'t want to have
any more children.
01:15:11.625 --> 01:15:13.518
I was pretty adamant
of that at that point.
01:15:13.542 --> 01:15:16.643
First and foremost,
I wouldn\'t use the IUD because
01:15:16.667 --> 01:15:20.475
of my pro-life views, and I have
trouble just taking that pill,
01:15:20.499 --> 01:15:23.018
a birth control pill
that you have to take
01:15:23.042 --> 01:15:27.851
at the same time every day
for it to be effective.
01:15:27.875 --> 01:15:31.851
As far as getting a man
to wear a condom,
01:15:31.875 --> 01:15:33.227
that can be impossible.
01:15:33.251 --> 01:15:36.476
If a man doesn\'t like it,
it doesn\'t feel the same.
01:15:36.500 --> 01:15:42.499
Um, I\'m not really too sure but
I\'ve had that argument before.
01:15:43.126 --> 01:15:45.143
I wanted to get
my tubes tied.
01:15:45.167 --> 01:15:47.643
I, I asked about
getting my tubes tied.
01:15:47.667 --> 01:15:49.185
My only options always been,
01:15:49.209 --> 01:15:52.726
when I lived in Denver
I went to St. Anthony\'s.
01:15:52.750 --> 01:15:55.143
I live in Grand Junction,
I go to St. Mary\'s.
01:15:55.167 --> 01:15:59.518
That\'s who you go to see if
you\'re on Medicaid in this town
01:15:59.542 --> 01:16:05.227
and they don\'t do sterilizations
unless it\'s medically necessary.
01:16:05.251 --> 01:16:08.935
I had asked my doctor
after I had my fourth,
01:16:08.959 --> 01:16:11.475
can we go ahead
and get my tubes tied?
01:16:11.499 --> 01:16:17.476
And in a roundabout way I was
pretty much just told, no.
01:16:17.500 --> 01:16:19.475
We, we can\'t do that
at a hospital here.
01:16:19.499 --> 01:16:22.601
You can go somewhere and find
a doctor who will do it.
01:16:22.625 --> 01:16:27.394
Trying to get on the highway and
drive 3-1/2 hours just to meet
01:16:27.418 --> 01:16:29.810
with a doctor to see
if they want to do it
01:16:29.834 --> 01:16:34.102
and drive back home,
coming up with the gas money,
01:16:34.126 --> 01:16:36.893
what if I break down
on the side of the road?
01:16:36.917 --> 01:16:39.060
There\'s no other
way around it.
01:16:39.084 --> 01:16:42.475
I can\'t get my tubes tied.
01:16:42.499 --> 01:16:45.601
I\'m just gonna
get pregnant.
01:16:45.625 --> 01:16:48.209
I just kind of accepted it.
01:16:48.542 --> 01:16:53.475
- We do know and acknowledge
that the tubal ligation
01:16:53.499 --> 01:16:57.018
during a C-section,
uh, can be, uh...
01:16:57.042 --> 01:17:00.893
challenging and problematic,
and, and for that reason,
01:17:00.917 --> 01:17:04.475
many, many hospitals are talking
with their bishops
01:17:04.499 --> 01:17:08.102
and, um,
looking at this situation.
01:17:08.126 --> 01:17:13.475
- We have these sick patients
who are sent to us.
01:17:13.499 --> 01:17:17.475
They\'re the ones who
are at huge increased risk
01:17:17.499 --> 01:17:19.475
of another pregnancy
01:17:19.499 --> 01:17:23.018
and huge increased risk
of another surgery.
01:17:23.042 --> 01:17:26.435
This may be their
only chance
01:17:26.459 --> 01:17:30.475
to have
the procedure they need
01:17:30.499 --> 01:17:33.518
and their life
is threatened
01:17:33.542 --> 01:17:36.185
by having
another pregnancy.
01:17:36.209 --> 01:17:39.435
- I\'ve been in the practice
of obstetrics and gynecology
01:17:39.459 --> 01:17:42.310
in Southern California
for the past 28 years.
01:17:42.334 --> 01:17:46.476
Approximately six years ago,
the hospital was purchased
01:17:46.500 --> 01:17:51.475
by a religious group who changed
the bylaws of the hospital.
01:17:51.499 --> 01:17:54.559
And the purchase and sale
of the hospital was contingent
01:17:54.583 --> 01:17:58.893
on the doctors signing off
on the religious bylaws.
01:17:58.917 --> 01:18:02.185
Few of them felt that such
drastic changes
01:18:02.209 --> 01:18:04.559
would actually come to pass.
01:18:04.583 --> 01:18:10.518
Once the sale was signed off on
and the hospital was purchased,
01:18:10.542 --> 01:18:13.601
immediately the religious bylaws
were introduced
01:18:13.625 --> 01:18:17.685
to the department
and women no longer could get
01:18:17.709 --> 01:18:20.143
routine obstetrical
and gynecological care.
01:18:20.167 --> 01:18:23.768
- Women may receive grossly
inappropriate and negligent care
01:18:23.792 --> 01:18:26.726
for complications
such as miscarriage
01:18:26.750 --> 01:18:27.935
in the first part of pregnancy.
01:18:27.959 --> 01:18:31.475
When the timely emptying of the
uterus is medically indicated,
01:18:31.499 --> 01:18:32.726
these women may
be turned away.
01:18:32.750 --> 01:18:35.685
- They\'re told,
\"Oh, you can just go home
01:18:35.709 --> 01:18:37.475
and wait till
you get sick,\"
01:18:37.499 --> 01:18:38.726
And carry around this baby
01:18:38.750 --> 01:18:43.310
that\'s going to die
for however long.
01:18:43.334 --> 01:18:47.476
And then you can come in
and maybe we\'ll decide
01:18:47.500 --> 01:18:51.376
you\'re sick enough
to deliver you.
01:18:51.750 --> 01:18:55.559
- If you want the best health
care, go to a Catholic hospital.
01:18:55.583 --> 01:18:57.518
That\'s what my family
had always taught me.
01:18:57.542 --> 01:18:58.893
I was born
in a Catholic hospital.
01:18:58.917 --> 01:19:02.475
That\'s where I got all my
health care my whole life,
01:19:02.499 --> 01:19:04.394
was at Catholic hospitals.
01:19:04.418 --> 01:19:06.475
I was experiencing
my second pregnancy,
01:19:06.499 --> 01:19:08.475
I was about 12 weeks along.
01:19:08.499 --> 01:19:10.352
I was, like, had some
pinkish discharge,
01:19:10.376 --> 01:19:12.475
so my husband was, like, okay,
I\'m gonna take you to the ER.
01:19:12.499 --> 01:19:15.310
And they were, like,
\"Oh, well, just go home
and put your feet up.\"
01:19:15.334 --> 01:19:17.475
They were, like, but you
probably are having
a miscarriage.
01:19:17.499 --> 01:19:21.227
So, you can be hopeful, but,
like, don\'t... you know,
01:19:21.251 --> 01:19:24.475
Just know, that it\'s probably
not a good sign.
01:19:24.499 --> 01:19:29.394
The next day I started
bleeding fairly heavily.
01:19:29.418 --> 01:19:31.475
So, I go back to the ER.
01:19:31.499 --> 01:19:35.018
And they\'re, like,
take me to the ultrasound.
01:19:35.042 --> 01:19:36.102
And they do an ultrasound.
01:19:36.126 --> 01:19:40.435
And they\'re, like, well,
your fetus stopped growing
01:19:40.459 --> 01:19:43.685
regularly, like,
a couple weeks ago.
01:19:43.709 --> 01:19:45.726
But we can\'t do anything
for you,
01:19:45.750 --> 01:19:48.475
because there\'s
still a heartbeat.
01:19:48.499 --> 01:19:52.792
So, you just need to go home.
01:19:53.625 --> 01:19:56.475
So, I go home.
01:19:56.499 --> 01:20:01.102
And by, within hours,
I was bleeding so heavily
01:20:01.126 --> 01:20:03.185
that I couldn\'t
even use pads.
01:20:03.209 --> 01:20:06.518
My twins were babies
at the time, um...
01:20:06.542 --> 01:20:09.475
And I was taking
their diapers
01:20:09.499 --> 01:20:12.851
and using them, um,
01:20:12.875 --> 01:20:15.143
to collect the blood,
\'cause, like, I literally
01:20:15.167 --> 01:20:17.601
was just bleeding
through pads.
01:20:17.625 --> 01:20:21.102
I just remember
falling out on the floor.
01:20:21.126 --> 01:20:22.976
And then the next thing
I remember is the paramedics
01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:25.726
being there and that they
couldn\'t get an IV in my arm
01:20:25.750 --> 01:20:29.601
because I was going into shock
and my veins were collapsing.
01:20:29.625 --> 01:20:32.476
I didn\'t even realize
how close to death I was
01:20:32.500 --> 01:20:35.475
until I got to the hospital,
\'cause then I felt,
01:20:35.499 --> 01:20:38.851
like a coldness,
01:20:38.875 --> 01:20:43.394
like when you lose
a lot of blood.
01:20:43.418 --> 01:20:46.102
And then they rushed me
to the emergency surgery
01:20:46.126 --> 01:20:47.310
for an emergency D & C.
01:20:47.334 --> 01:20:53.143
And the same gynecologist who
had sent me home both times
01:20:53.167 --> 01:20:55.018
was still on call.
01:20:55.042 --> 01:20:58.475
And I said to the
anesthesiologist,
01:20:58.499 --> 01:21:00.102
please don\'t let him kill me
01:21:00.126 --> 01:21:02.475
\'cause all I remember
thinking about was,
01:21:02.499 --> 01:21:04.518
I\'ve gotta go home.
01:21:04.542 --> 01:21:06.499
Sorry.
01:21:08.583 --> 01:21:11.500
I\'ve got to go home
to my babies.
01:21:16.499 --> 01:21:19.042
They don\'t know where I am.
01:21:23.499 --> 01:21:27.499
♪♪
01:21:41.499 --> 01:21:46.475
(Faith Groesbeck)
This is a very poor community.
01:21:46.499 --> 01:21:49.143
We have a very
low income level.
01:21:49.167 --> 01:21:51.726
We have a very
low level of education.
01:21:51.750 --> 01:21:55.475
People do not feel empowered
to come forward
01:21:55.499 --> 01:21:58.685
and speak up against
these large institutions
01:21:58.709 --> 01:22:03.143
that have so much power
in our community.
01:22:03.167 --> 01:22:08.935
Nearly every health care
and human services nonprofit
01:22:08.959 --> 01:22:11.518
in my county is religious.
01:22:11.542 --> 01:22:15.060
So, there is a pervasive
01:22:15.084 --> 01:22:18.185
climate of favoritism
01:22:18.209 --> 01:22:23.499
toward religious respectives
on reproductive health care.
01:22:28.459 --> 01:22:31.893
There was a hospital merger
in our community.
01:22:31.917 --> 01:22:35.518
We had two facilities,
now we\'re going to have one.
01:22:35.542 --> 01:22:39.559
That would create a sole
Catholic health care system
01:22:39.583 --> 01:22:42.476
in our--
for our entire county.
01:22:42.500 --> 01:22:43.518
What would change?
01:22:43.542 --> 01:22:48.475
How would that change things
in Muskegon County?
01:22:48.499 --> 01:22:50.475
Everybody was reassured.
01:22:50.499 --> 01:22:52.583
There would be
no changes.
01:22:54.042 --> 01:22:58.935
So, the first thing was the lack
of contraception for employees,
01:22:58.959 --> 01:23:01.726
the lack of insurance coverage
for contraception.
01:23:01.750 --> 01:23:06.559
The second thing was the
inability to terminate,
01:23:06.583 --> 01:23:10.643
even in the event
of a non-viable pregnancy,
01:23:10.667 --> 01:23:15.768
lethal anomaly, something that
would, for sure, um...
01:23:15.792 --> 01:23:19.352
a fetus that for sure would not
survive outside of the womb.
01:23:19.376 --> 01:23:25.394
Um... and then the next thing
that came to my attention
01:23:25.418 --> 01:23:29.499
was the miscarriage
mismanagement issue.
01:23:30.499 --> 01:23:33.475
Women having to...
01:23:33.499 --> 01:23:37.559
Knowing that they were going
through a miscarriage,
01:23:37.583 --> 01:23:40.475
being strapped
to a fetal monitor.
01:23:40.499 --> 01:23:43.935
Telling them that nothing
could be done for them
01:23:43.959 --> 01:23:46.935
because it was
a Catholic hospital
01:23:46.959 --> 01:23:49.601
and having to listen
01:23:49.625 --> 01:23:55.935
to their fetus\'s heartbeat
until they could recognize
01:23:55.959 --> 01:23:59.475
the exact moment
that it stopped.
01:23:59.499 --> 01:24:01.475
There\'s a woman miscarrying.
01:24:01.499 --> 01:24:06.268
She needs help completing
the miscarriage medically
01:24:06.292 --> 01:24:11.685
because she\'s sick and her body
isn\'t doing it on her own.
01:24:11.709 --> 01:24:15.310
And there\'s a doctor
on the phone with the bishop.
01:24:15.334 --> 01:24:17.167
Why?
01:24:19.499 --> 01:24:21.726
So, I started to do research.
01:24:21.750 --> 01:24:24.475
I started to talk to people,
make phone calls.
01:24:24.499 --> 01:24:29.893
And then I started to understand
why women were being
01:24:29.917 --> 01:24:35.185
sent home from the ER
despite signs of infection.
01:24:35.209 --> 01:24:38.726
Some of the women I spoke to
didn\'t own a thermometer.
01:24:38.750 --> 01:24:42.268
Had other children
they were caring for.
01:24:42.292 --> 01:24:43.476
Were in excruciating pain.
01:24:43.500 --> 01:24:46.475
Some of these women
had clear signs of infection.
01:24:46.499 --> 01:24:51.475
Foul-smelling amniotic fluid,
uterine tenderness.
01:24:51.499 --> 01:24:57.060
You\'re asking somebody
with no medical background,
01:24:57.084 --> 01:25:00.268
to go home and monitor
01:25:00.292 --> 01:25:05.394
a potentially life-threatening
condition
01:25:05.418 --> 01:25:09.810
while they\'re
making dinner
01:25:09.834 --> 01:25:11.851
and putting kids to bed.
01:25:11.875 --> 01:25:16.475
It, it was very--
it was unbelievable to me
01:25:16.499 --> 01:25:21.185
that people\'s lives could be
toyed with like that.
01:25:21.209 --> 01:25:23.143
- People rest
better at home.
01:25:23.167 --> 01:25:25.643
They\'re more comfortable,
they\'re less tense at home.
01:25:25.667 --> 01:25:29.685
So, obviously if it\'s safe
to send the mother home
01:25:29.709 --> 01:25:32.352
with good discharge
instructions,
01:25:32.376 --> 01:25:35.475
good parameters,
that\'s all the better.
01:25:35.499 --> 01:25:40.475
Um, but it\'s not because we have
to wait till she\'s mortally ill
01:25:40.499 --> 01:25:44.394
before, um, we\'re going
to deliver the pregnancy.
01:25:44.418 --> 01:25:46.935
- But the problem always
comes down to is
01:25:46.959 --> 01:25:50.851
somebody\'s definition
of maternal life.
01:25:50.875 --> 01:25:54.475
What-- how are you going
to define, you know,
01:25:54.499 --> 01:25:57.643
a mom\'s life is in danger,
is it just an infection?
01:25:57.667 --> 01:26:02.394
Does she have to be in complete
sepsis and on life support?
01:26:02.418 --> 01:26:05.685
You know, what does she have,
what\'s the definition of that?
01:26:05.709 --> 01:26:06.726
It\'s never defined.
01:26:06.750 --> 01:26:09.394
And so, that\'s the question that
always everybody has is when
01:26:09.418 --> 01:26:14.518
can you intervene without
putting everybody at risk.
01:26:14.542 --> 01:26:18.060
- There\'s a maternal health care
crisis in the United States,
01:26:18.084 --> 01:26:19.352
which is a human rights crisis.
01:26:19.376 --> 01:26:22.768
Two to three women will die
every day in the United States
01:26:22.792 --> 01:26:25.102
from pregnancy-related
complications
01:26:25.126 --> 01:26:28.018
and approximately half of these
deaths are preventable.
01:26:28.042 --> 01:26:30.643
So, while every death
is a personal tragedy
01:26:30.667 --> 01:26:32.435
for a community
or a family,
01:26:32.459 --> 01:26:36.102
a preventable death means
that a government or a state
01:26:36.126 --> 01:26:39.583
is not meeting its human rights
obligations.
01:26:41.500 --> 01:26:44.601
- The U.S. does horribly
in comparison to other
01:26:44.625 --> 01:26:47.185
First World and in fact,
even Third World countries
01:26:47.209 --> 01:26:50.851
in terms of maternal
fetal health care.
01:26:50.875 --> 01:26:53.435
We rank somewhere
like 50th in the world
01:26:53.459 --> 01:26:57.352
in terms of maternal survival
after pregnancy.
01:26:57.376 --> 01:27:00.685
(David)
The United States is an anomaly
among developed nations
01:27:00.709 --> 01:27:03.476
in that we are the only one
to my knowledge
01:27:03.500 --> 01:27:06.268
in which the risk of pregnancy
and childbirth
01:27:06.292 --> 01:27:09.685
is actually increasing
rather than decreasing.
01:27:09.709 --> 01:27:10.810
- A maternal health crisis
01:27:10.834 --> 01:27:13.475
does not somehow magically
appears in a country.
01:27:13.499 --> 01:27:17.518
It appears when you have
a confluence of restrictions
01:27:17.542 --> 01:27:20.394
on women\'s health and
information and choices.
01:27:20.418 --> 01:27:22.935
Where you have a lack of
accountability for when there
01:27:22.959 --> 01:27:26.685
is pregnancy-related preventable
death and when you have
01:27:26.709 --> 01:27:29.851
a culture which disregards
the lives of women.
01:27:29.875 --> 01:27:34.475
- The ultimate goal, of course,
is to overturn Roe.
01:27:34.499 --> 01:27:38.559
But doing so means that
you are taking away
01:27:38.583 --> 01:27:41.935
a whole series of other rights
from women.
01:27:41.959 --> 01:27:45.060
So, women who want to carry
a pregnancy to term,
01:27:45.084 --> 01:27:47.559
want to make choices
about how they give birth,
01:27:47.583 --> 01:27:48.768
might lose those rights.
01:27:48.792 --> 01:27:52.935
Because the court may be able
to decide that what they\'re
01:27:52.959 --> 01:27:55.475
decide-- whey they\'ve chosen
for their birth, for their
01:27:55.499 --> 01:27:57.475
pregnancy is not in the best
interest of the fetus.
01:27:57.499 --> 01:28:00.851
- There\'s a number of cases in
which women have been either
01:28:00.875 --> 01:28:02.726
coerced into options
they didn\'t want
01:28:02.750 --> 01:28:07.875
or didn\'t understand or whose
wishes have been simply ignored.
01:28:13.334 --> 01:28:15.475
(Rinat Dray)
I was born in Israel.
01:28:15.499 --> 01:28:20.143
I was studying to be
a teacher in Israel.
01:28:20.167 --> 01:28:20.893
I love kids.
01:28:20.917 --> 01:28:23.834
I wanted to have
a big family, too.
01:28:28.499 --> 01:28:31.060
I moved to the United States
when I was 24.
01:28:31.084 --> 01:28:34.643
I met my husband
and got married to him.
01:28:34.667 --> 01:28:38.976
I was hoping and I wished
from my first birth
01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:41.310
to have a natural birth.
01:28:41.334 --> 01:28:46.601
When my water broke, I went
right away to the hospital.
01:28:46.625 --> 01:28:51.268
And then the doctor came and
said it\'s going too slow.
01:28:51.292 --> 01:28:53.475
Uh, I want you to do
a C-Section.
01:28:53.499 --> 01:28:57.227
I didn\'t want to do it,
and I didn\'t want to really,
01:28:57.251 --> 01:29:00.268
but they just pressed me,
they pressed me.
01:29:00.292 --> 01:29:02.126
And pressed, so...
01:29:03.251 --> 01:29:04.893
I was in a lot of pain.
01:29:04.917 --> 01:29:07.476
It\'s only because I really
wanted to have
01:29:07.500 --> 01:29:10.935
a natural birth,
so I waited long.
01:29:10.959 --> 01:29:12.185
When my baby was 3-1/2,
01:29:12.209 --> 01:29:16.685
I got pregnant
a second, second time.
01:29:16.709 --> 01:29:20.018
I wish, I wanted
to have a natural birth.
01:29:20.042 --> 01:29:24.018
The doctor came in
and told me,
01:29:24.042 --> 01:29:29.685
and told me, um, you have
five minutes to decide
01:29:29.709 --> 01:29:32.518
or you\'re going
to have a C-section
01:29:32.542 --> 01:29:34.810
or I\'m leaving you alone.
01:29:34.834 --> 01:29:38.227
I was, uh,
very sorry later
01:29:38.251 --> 01:29:40.476
that I didn\'t have the courage
01:29:40.500 --> 01:29:44.499
like, to stand up and say,
no, that\'s not what I want.
01:29:44.709 --> 01:29:48.018
Every time after C-section,
I was feeling broken,
01:29:48.042 --> 01:29:50.625
emotionally, physically.
01:29:52.499 --> 01:29:57.310
It\'s not just because
I didn\'t want it.
01:29:57.334 --> 01:30:03.084
It\'s because
physically I had pain, uh...
01:30:12.499 --> 01:30:14.685
My husband wanted
to have more kids.
01:30:14.709 --> 01:30:18.893
But I was too...
I was too scared.
01:30:18.917 --> 01:30:20.959
But then I got pregnant.
01:30:21.542 --> 01:30:24.851
I was researching that topic.
01:30:24.875 --> 01:30:30.435
There are articles
and research comparing, um,
01:30:30.459 --> 01:30:34.310
natural birth after C-section,
01:30:34.334 --> 01:30:40.475
uh, compared to a C-section,
like, repeat C-section and...
01:30:40.499 --> 01:30:44.310
And I read there that,
uh, like, all the risks
01:30:44.334 --> 01:30:49.185
that can happen to,
to the mother and the baby.
01:30:49.209 --> 01:30:52.435
- So, when Rinat called me, um,
about being a doula for her,
01:30:52.459 --> 01:30:55.475
for the birth of her third
child, um...
01:30:55.499 --> 01:30:57.394
She was looking
to have a vaginal birth
01:30:57.418 --> 01:31:01.601
after two prior cesareans, um,
which is evidence-based
01:31:01.625 --> 01:31:04.893
and there\'s no reason why
not to encourage someone
01:31:04.917 --> 01:31:08.976
to at least attempt,
um, to do so.
01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:11.475
I suggested she might
wanna look into
01:31:11.499 --> 01:31:14.685
getting another
care provider, um...
01:31:14.709 --> 01:31:19.475
Although her care providers
had a reasonably high
01:31:19.499 --> 01:31:25.643
VBAC success rate, um,
I knew from prior experience
01:31:25.667 --> 01:31:30.435
that they were not, um...
01:31:30.459 --> 01:31:35.102
supportive, um, what we might
call woman friendly.
01:31:35.126 --> 01:31:38.475
Even though sometimes
they got the job done,
01:31:38.499 --> 01:31:43.475
they got the job done
with a lot of,
01:31:43.499 --> 01:31:47.185
uh, collateral damage,
emotional trauma,
01:31:47.209 --> 01:31:53.475
um, with a lot of, with a lot
of, uh, with a lot of pain.
01:31:53.499 --> 01:31:54.559
- Because I was on Medicaid,
01:31:54.583 --> 01:32:00.102
I did not have the choice to
switch to a different doctor.
01:32:00.126 --> 01:32:02.185
- When we arrived
in the hospital,
01:32:02.209 --> 01:32:05.851
the doctor on call was not
immediately available.
01:32:05.875 --> 01:32:10.475
Rinat this time definitely
seemed to be in real labor
01:32:10.499 --> 01:32:12.227
and what I would
call active labor.
01:32:12.251 --> 01:32:16.475
When the doctor showed up, um,
she was again given
01:32:16.499 --> 01:32:18.976
the ultimatum, you know,
you can stay
01:32:19.000 --> 01:32:22.475
and have a C-section
or you can leave.
01:32:22.499 --> 01:32:26.475
These are your choices, um...
01:32:26.499 --> 01:32:28.268
Rinat was in a tremendous
amount of pain.
01:32:28.292 --> 01:32:31.976
It was clearly against
everything that she wanted.
01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:35.475
And it was very hard
to come to terms with.
01:32:35.499 --> 01:32:40.102
On one hand, do you stay and
submit to this C-section
01:32:40.126 --> 01:32:44.352
that you don\'t want and
medically right now don\'t need?
01:32:44.376 --> 01:32:47.475
Or do you leave, and if you
leave, go where?
01:32:47.499 --> 01:32:50.018
Go where in the height
of active labor.
01:32:50.042 --> 01:32:54.559
- After two hours,
I was six, dilating six.
01:32:54.583 --> 01:32:59.185
So, Shayna was there and my
mother was there, and, uh...
01:32:59.209 --> 01:33:02.976
I was so happy, uh,
and Shayna was crying
01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:06.851
and wow, it\'s going
to happen, um...
01:33:06.875 --> 01:33:11.559
What you wanted, and, um,
you\'re very happy.
01:33:11.583 --> 01:33:12.685
But then he came in.
01:33:12.709 --> 01:33:17.475
He came in and he said,
\"Don\'t be so happy.
01:33:17.499 --> 01:33:19.435
\"It\'s not going to happen.
01:33:19.459 --> 01:33:22.851
You\'re not going to have
a natural birth.\"
01:33:22.875 --> 01:33:28.352
- The fact that she was pursuing
a VBAC after two cesareans
01:33:28.376 --> 01:33:31.435
against his clinical judgment,
01:33:31.459 --> 01:33:33.976
his personal individual
clinical judgment
01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:38.518
was grounds enough for her
being an abusive mother.
01:33:38.542 --> 01:33:41.685
He said things like
\"You\'re a bad mother
01:33:41.709 --> 01:33:44.227
\"for putting your baby
at risk.
01:33:44.251 --> 01:33:46.893
\"We, we can call a court.
01:33:46.917 --> 01:33:51.475
\"We can call a judge and have
you-- have a court-ordered
01:33:51.499 --> 01:33:54.018
\"C-section that you
have to do this
01:33:54.042 --> 01:33:55.518
for your baby\'s well-being.\"
01:33:55.542 --> 01:33:59.475
Meantime, he had not given her
any information
01:33:59.499 --> 01:34:03.476
that her baby\'s well-being was
actually some type of an issue.
01:34:03.500 --> 01:34:08.435
- If I\'d known that
my baby was in danger,
01:34:08.459 --> 01:34:12.601
I would go for a C-section,
of course.
01:34:12.625 --> 01:34:14.810
- He said, \"We can have
a court-ordered caesarian
01:34:14.834 --> 01:34:17.475
\"to keep your baby
from being subjected,
01:34:17.499 --> 01:34:19.394
\"subjected to your insistence
01:34:19.418 --> 01:34:22.726
on continuing,
uh, to be in labor.\"
01:34:22.750 --> 01:34:26.518
- He said, if you\'re not going
to stand for a C-section,
01:34:26.542 --> 01:34:27.518
we can, uh,
01:34:27.542 --> 01:34:32.475
we can take away
your children, um...
01:34:32.499 --> 01:34:38.310
Just to press me, to scare me,
that I should sign the C-section
01:34:38.334 --> 01:34:39.518
and he\'s also,
01:34:39.542 --> 01:34:44.102
he also came back, um,
01:34:44.126 --> 01:34:47.851
and put a glove on
to check me,
01:34:47.875 --> 01:34:50.935
and then he just took off
the glove
01:34:50.959 --> 01:34:53.185
and said \"No, I\'m not
going to check you.
01:34:53.209 --> 01:34:55.976
\"I\'m not going
to check how dilated you are
01:34:56.000 --> 01:34:58.475
unless you\'re signing
for the C-section.\"
01:34:58.499 --> 01:35:02.475
- What happened was kind
of the unbelievable.
01:35:02.499 --> 01:35:07.102
He brought in
another physician.
01:35:07.126 --> 01:35:11.018
The two of them released
the wheels of the bed.
01:35:11.042 --> 01:35:12.726
They rolled her
out of the room.
01:35:12.750 --> 01:35:14.518
They rolled her down
the hallway.
01:35:14.542 --> 01:35:19.726
- I, um...
was screaming, crying.
01:35:19.750 --> 01:35:23.685
But they didn\'t, uh,
they didn\'t pay attention.
01:35:23.709 --> 01:35:28.499
They just kept rolling the bed
into the operation room.
01:35:31.251 --> 01:35:32.893
- My jaw just dropped.
01:35:32.917 --> 01:35:35.435
She didn\'t sign anything!
What\'s going on here?
01:35:35.459 --> 01:35:37.475
How can they, how can they
just be just rolling her
01:35:37.499 --> 01:35:40.475
down the hallway
into the operating room?
01:35:40.499 --> 01:35:44.475
- But after a few minutes,
01:35:44.499 --> 01:35:47.601
while they are taking
the baby,
01:35:47.625 --> 01:35:49.851
taking care of him,
01:35:49.875 --> 01:35:53.643
the doctor screamed, \"Urologist!
01:35:53.667 --> 01:35:56.268
Urologist, urologist!\"
01:35:56.292 --> 01:36:01.726
Um, and I still
did not realize why?
01:36:01.750 --> 01:36:06.559
And now, they asked Shayna to
leave and they said they need--
01:36:06.583 --> 01:36:12.476
they asked, uh, anesth-- to have
a general anesthesia
01:36:12.500 --> 01:36:17.167
because the doctor cut,
cut my bladder.
01:36:18.583 --> 01:36:23.685
It was horrible to be treated
this way, it was, um...
01:36:23.709 --> 01:36:25.851
Not only the fact
he did a C-section.
01:36:25.875 --> 01:36:29.310
It was all the way,
how he was behaving,
01:36:29.334 --> 01:36:34.102
how he\'s using
scary tactics and, um...
01:36:34.126 --> 01:36:38.227
And what was, I was, like, uh,
I didn\'t believe that something
01:36:38.251 --> 01:36:42.499
like that gonna happen
to me in United States.
01:36:45.875 --> 01:36:49.851
- People have a misconception
about what is taking place
01:36:49.875 --> 01:36:51.726
in the United States right now.
01:36:51.750 --> 01:36:55.102
- We definitely see women
being prosecuted,
01:36:55.126 --> 01:36:56.810
women losing
this bodily autonomy.
01:36:56.834 --> 01:37:01.143
It often happens in various
isolated incidences.
01:37:01.167 --> 01:37:04.851
So, it\'s hard to see sometimes
that there is a larger trend.
01:37:04.875 --> 01:37:08.459
But there absolutely
is a larger trend.
01:37:09.209 --> 01:37:11.685
The attack on abortions,
the attacks on contraception
01:37:11.709 --> 01:37:16.475
and sex education and women\'s
rights to control their bodies
01:37:16.499 --> 01:37:17.559
are all part and parcel.
01:37:17.583 --> 01:37:20.475
And this collateral
damage of other women
01:37:20.499 --> 01:37:25.499
who are being prosecuted,
these are all interconnected.
01:37:30.542 --> 01:37:33.810
And if we don\'t step in
in every place along
01:37:33.834 --> 01:37:38.768
this spectrum, in every aspect
of where anti-choice
01:37:38.792 --> 01:37:41.475
conservatives are trying to
control women\'s choices
01:37:41.499 --> 01:37:45.475
and lives, all of these pieces,
all of these dominos
01:37:45.499 --> 01:37:46.810
are going
to come down together.
01:37:46.834 --> 01:37:50.475
- That even worse, there\'s a lot
of people who just simply
01:37:50.499 --> 01:37:55.935
have no idea
how horrific it has been,
01:37:55.959 --> 01:37:58.143
what is happening to women.
01:37:58.167 --> 01:37:59.518
And I think there
are a lot of people
01:37:59.542 --> 01:38:04.709
who simply don\'t know that they
could possibly be next.
01:38:14.917 --> 01:38:19.000
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