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I have often been described
as the journalist of the FARC.

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But I am the only one who has dared
to cross certain borders...

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...to go to the jungle...

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...to dig into what happens
in the conflict.

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I went into the jungle...

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...to interview the three Americans.

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I reached a point, a place...

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...when appearing, in flesh and blood
is Mono Jojoy himself.

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Hello.
- Hello.

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Jojoy was the most beloved
and most feared...

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...of all the commanders in the guerilla.

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Jojoy had 500 prisoners...

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...deep in the jungle.

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Mono Jojoy opened the door...

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...and there appeared...

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...the three Americans...

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...sitting in a very dark room,
very sordid.

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We are recording,
we are recording.

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Suddenly Mono Jojoy...

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...says: \"You!\"

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and tells someone to translate.

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\"You\".

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And I hear a voice of a woman.

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As soon as the video came out...

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...everyone began to publish
the story of the three Americans.

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And the woman translating...

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...wasn\'t so noticeable.

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Who is this woman?
What is she doing here?

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How did she get into the ranks of the FARC?
Who brought her there?

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It became a kind of obsession for me.

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It was Tanja Nijmeijer.
The Dutch woman of the FARC.

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A Dutch girl has shown up with the
Colombian guerrilla group, the FARC.

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Eileen is the pseudonym of
the young woman in her twenties...

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...who has spent five years
fighting for the FARC.

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There is now a lot of speculation
about how it is possible...

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...that a girl from Groningen
ended up in Colombia.

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She is a terrorist.
No more no less than that.

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Everyone in the Netherlands knows her name.
- Colombia is accusing Tanja...

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Go, boy.

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Colombia is a big question mark.

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Colombia is a mystery.

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Colombia is a puzzle that is
very difficult to put together.

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95 percent of the land...

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...is in the hands of five percent
of the people.

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These lands are very productive...

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...very fertile.

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That has unleashed a conflict
in the rural areas.

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A permanent conflict.

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Down with the guerrillas...

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In the 1960s,
the peasant movements started...

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...which were basically seeking to achieve...

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...social and economic demands.

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On the scene came the so-called
revolutionary armed forces of Colombia...

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...or the FARC.

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Peasants looking
for a better standard of living.

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A huge repression against them appears.

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In the course of six decades...

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...that little community of armed peasants...

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...becomes one of the largest guerrillas
in Latin America.

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By 2002, it has become a small
revolutionary army...

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...facing the state with the aim of building
a new political and social system...

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...based on Marxist, Leninist ideas.

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Very good, how are you feeling?

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Yes, very good.

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A little tired.

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Here the state is made up of elites
who only get rich and who abuse.

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At first, I didn\'t believe that story.

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I didn\'t believe it
and I didn\'t want to believe it.

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But eventually I started seeing it.
I saw in practice...

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...that it did exist,
that State terrorism exists.

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Surely a State exists precisely
to fulfill a social function.

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That\'s what I thought.

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But here, no.

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Álvaro Uribe was a regional politician.

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At one point in his life
there was a family tragedy.

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Which was the death of his father.

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The armed men kill his father
and hurt his brother...

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...and from that moment on...

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...Uribe finds reason for life.

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Which is: revenge.

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He wins the elections, convincing
Colombians that he is capable...

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...of militarily defeating the guerrilla.

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And a paramilitary fury...

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...that ravages entire populations.

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Killing the peasants,
slaughtering populations...

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...going to areas where
the guerrilla has support...

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...from the civilian population
and reprimand them...

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...cutting off their arms and heads
with a chainsaw.

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Thousands and thousands
of Colombians are killed...

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...by paramilitary groups, acting...

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...with the complicity of the state.

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First of all, I warn anyone...

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...who is involved in the guerrilla.

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Either shape up or ship out.

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Long live the Bolivarian movement
for a new Colombia.

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The fact is that the nineties were
very successful for the guerrilla.

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At that moment it was
a real collective project...

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...made up of 13,000 people...

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...who were all armed
and all wanted to take over power.

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Say for a better Colombia.
A more just Colombia, you know.

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I knew for quite a while that
I wanted to work with the guerrilla...

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...and I knew perfectly what that meant.

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I want to see how the guerrilla
is going to take over power.

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I was very convinced of that at the time,
that it would happen at some point.

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That the guerrilla would take over power.

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I started to work
with the guerrilla in the city.

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At first only engaged in political activities
and then also military activities.

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I remember when I arrived
at the bus station in Bogota...

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...I was immediately sent with a girl
who was going to plant a bomb.

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But I didn\'t do anything myself, you know.
I was just walking with her.

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At 11:10 in the morning...

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...there was an explosion here
on this TransMilenio bus.

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Three bottles with explosive liquid
were placed here.

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Fortunately, no one was injured.

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I was sent to spray graffiti...

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...at the National University in Bogota.

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And then, I don\'t know,
to plant a firebomb.

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I was just working as an
English teacher at a university...

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...and after that job
I was doing military activities...

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...for the FARC in town.

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It is terrible. There are many dead!
Many are badly injured.

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It\'s the most detestable act
that could possibly exist.

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It\'s the act of demented people.

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We had never done
such an action until now.

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The targets we had hit
in the cities to date...

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...had been aimed
at the military targets.

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This was another situation.

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It was carried out
by a different FARC cell.

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We were looking to hit
the centre of political power...

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...and its clandestine...

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...and mafioso alliance
with Paramilitarism.

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The country suffers again...

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...a terrible onslaught by these groups.

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Uribe announced a reward of 500 million pesos
to the people who provide information...

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...to find the whereabouts and capture
of those involved in the attack.

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I met Tanja in Groningen
in a student house...

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...because I was dating a boy
who lived in that student house.

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And that\'s how Tanja and I
became friends.

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People have asked me many times:

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Was Tanja always very politically
or socially involved?

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But when I look back on that
all I can do is say:

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\"No, I didn\'t think so.\"

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We both had a form of idealism.

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She called me.

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She said: \"Jans, I\'m going into the jungle
to teach the indigenous people there\".

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She said she could do something good,
that she could help.

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That was the Spring of 2003.

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And then we didn\'t hear
from her for a long time.

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Dear Jans, how are things over there?

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I hope you haven\'t forgotten me.

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I haven\'t been able to send
anything for a long time...

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...but I have my notebook here
full of letters to you...

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...about my adventures
my dreams, my misfortunes.

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I will save that for you for
when we meet again.

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Tanja and I both have a love
for writing.

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We both kept diaries
when we were students.

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And when Tanja went to Colombia...

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...we kept writing each other.

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We wrote our thoughts down...

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...as letters to each other.

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And not thinking that we would
actually read everything of it.

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I wrote \"Sweet Tan\".
She wrote \"Sweet Jans\".

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Don\'t worry about me.
You haven\'t lost me.

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On the contrary.

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During the long hours
that I am on watch...

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...I fantasize about drinking tea
running errands, chatting...

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...going out with you, etcetera.

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Or about the moment
we see each other again.

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Tanja arrived at my camp in December.

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Well, let\'s say I was surprised, obviously...

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...that someone who came
from so far from Europe...

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...would somehow want to join the ranks
of the FARC and participate...

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...in a struggle that could apparently
be unrelated to her. It was strange.

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It particularly caught my attention...

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...not only the self-requirement she had
in her tasks...

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...but also in her military preparation.

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She always said she wanted to be
part of the combat units someday.

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I think the common denominator
among the guerrilla is searching.

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First of all, everyone is looking for a family.

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It is very difficult from having a friend.
It is a comrade.

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Because you don\'t know who I am
because I have another name.

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And I never asked you
where you came from.

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But we both share ideals
and defend something.

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It\'s a nucleus of people...

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...that in reality has always been persecuted
and repressed by the Colombian State.

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Persecuted and massacred
by the paramilitary.

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The paramilitaries keep killing them.

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What do I have to say.

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I\'ve been at the front for a couple of months
and that\'s a big deal.

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I also fought,
but that is the least of it.

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Walking with a heavy backpack,
wet clothes running, etc.

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A very interesting experience
that no one can take away from me.

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They do not want peace, but are
increasing their terrorist activities.

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The military balance...

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...that before had always been
in favor of the state...

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...begins to lean in favour of the FARC.

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And the United States realizes...

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...that the political, economic and social
stability of Colombia is in danger...

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...and its national security
is therefore also in danger...

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...and it launches, together with
the Colombian government...

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...the so-called Plan Colombia,
in which millions of dollars are invested...

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...in military assistance, logistics,
and especially aviation.

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With the instruments of the constitution
and the law in hand...

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...we have all the determination
to defeat the guerrillas.

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Dearest Jan, I feel sad,
disappointed and alone.

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My commander has a new girlfriend.

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He is 45, she 16.

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And she\'s incredibly stupid.

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I\'m sure you\'ll hate her.

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I don\'t feel like bleating anymore
about being a communist...

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...being honest, being frugal,
being obedient...

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...and watch the hypocrisy
of the commanders.

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It might have been a little naive.

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I wrote quite a lot, and I wrote especially
when I was sad or angry...

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...or saw injustice.

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Or sometimes just to pass time
because I was bored.

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I wasn\'t really analysing things.

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It was more so that I just wrote down
what was going on...

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...and often how I felt about it.

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I do not know, Jans,
where this project is going.

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What will it be like
when we have power?

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The women of the commanders
in Ferrari Testarossa...

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...with silicone tits and caviar?

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My generation and the previous
generation of journalists...

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...were born and grew up
in the middle of the war.

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We didn\'t know a single day...

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...where there was no fighting,
a kidnapping, a massacre...

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...a bombing...

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...where there was no seizure of a town.

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And those of us who decided
to become journalists...

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...and to cover this conflict...

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...we did it believing
that it was necessary...

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...to talk about what was
happening in the country.

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And what I understood
covering the war...

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...was that you had to be
in the middle of war.

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In the second or third week of July 2007...

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...the Rapid Deployment Force,
who were the military elite in Colombia...

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...arrived at the camp of Carlos Antonio Lozada,
one of the FARC commanders.

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They found a lot of material
of military importance.

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One thing caught my attention
which was a set of notebooks.

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It was all dated.
It was organized by date.

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It was in paragraphs
and was very well organised.

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But it was in another language
that was not English.

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Why, why?

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Why am I in this difficult situation?

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I want to dream to plan, to live.

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I have to read and study,
to take advantage of the time I have left.

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Initially, I thought it was a kidnappee.

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I think I thought that for a while.

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But instead, there was a surprise.

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It was the story of a woman...

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...who was member of the FARC.

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The life I am living now
here at the front...

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...is the life of most
of the guerrilla combatants.

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That is what I wanted to get to know.

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It was a very intimate testimony...

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...of what it was like to live in the war.

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There are times where she says...

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...that wielding weapons and being part
of the revolution is saving the world.

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But there are other times
where there is sadness...

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...and she says:
\"When can I leave this jungle?\"

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Sometimes everyone here seems
so simple, so childish to me.

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Sometimes I don\'t feel like
following orders anymore.

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Following the orders of a bunch of sexists
who try to shoot birds with a shotgun?

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They decrypted
Carlos Antonio Lozada\'s computer.

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There were many photos of her
and I had a face to put the words.

00:37:32.560 --> 00:37:33.880
My first question was:

00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:38.960
How did she decide to take up a weapon
in the name of a war that isn\'t hers?

00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:46.760
We talked in the office
with the editor of the newspaper...

00:37:47.040 --> 00:37:49.760
...and we decided to publish them.

00:37:52.640 --> 00:37:56.920
A Dutch young woman is fighting in the
Colombian rebel movement the FARC...

00:37:57.040 --> 00:37:59.520
...a Marxist rebel movement.

00:37:59.960 --> 00:38:02.920
Her diaries were found in a recently
captured guerrilla camp.

00:38:03.040 --> 00:38:06.040
They were published in the Colombian
newspaper El Tiempo.

00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:09.960
Her real name is Tanja Nijmeijer
and she comes from Denekamp.

00:38:10.240 --> 00:38:14.600
What is a young Dutch woman doing
in a terrorist paramilitary organization?

00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.760
And what will be the consequences
of this publication?

00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.200
I saw my name there.

00:38:26.040 --> 00:38:30.520
Everything was addressed to me.
That was really crazy.

00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.920
They were things that were
never meant to be published...

00:38:35.040 --> 00:38:38.440
...or to be told or mentioned
to everyone.

00:38:40.640 --> 00:38:43.440
Dear Janneke,
I am so tired of this.

00:38:43.560 --> 00:38:47.800
I don\'t want it anymore.
I often think of leaving here.

00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:49.240
I really do.

00:38:50.720 --> 00:38:52.640
Fragments from the diary have shown...

00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:56.440
...that Tanja Nijmeijer has actually
had enough of the FARC.

00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:58.480
She is tired and disappointed.

00:38:58.600 --> 00:39:03.400
Disappointed in the corruption she\'s seen,
also in the abuses of power within the FARC.

00:39:03.600 --> 00:39:09.520
Tanja isn\'t really talking about
the people, you understand?

00:39:10.200 --> 00:39:13.480
Sometimes I dream of the Netherlands
and then wake up crying.

00:39:13.600 --> 00:39:17.920
Over and over, the same question.
Did I do the right thing?

00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:03.200
It is unknown where Tanja Nijmeijer now is.

00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:06.120
Possibly in the jungle of Colombia
on the run.

00:40:06.240 --> 00:40:08.640
She is wanted by the Colombian military...

00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:12.440
...and her own movement, the FARC,
has accused her of high treason.

00:40:12.640 --> 00:40:15.360
It\'s likely that her life is in danger.

00:40:19.040 --> 00:40:23.600
The country was in a great
journalistic confrontation...

00:40:23.720 --> 00:40:27.160
...about what was going
on in the battlefields.

00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:33.240
The information around the diaries
was manipulated quite a bit.

00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:39.200
But I thought that maybe
she would be court-martialed...

00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:45.200
...because the translated words
from her diary...

00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:49.520
...indicated a great discomfort of her
there in the guerrilla...

00:40:49.640 --> 00:40:52.880
...and she made some fierce criticism.

00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.360
So I thought punishments will come.

00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:01.800
What happens
if you want to get out?

00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:03.680
Well, that\'s not an option.

00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:07.200
No, if you don\'t want to,
then you have to run away...

00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.320
...and then you\'re a deserter,
that will cost you your life.

00:41:10.720 --> 00:41:14.080
You can be executed?
- If you leave the FARC, you\'re a deserter.

00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:19.760
There were a lot of people talking
about executions.

00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:22.560
So they thought
that was going to happen.

00:41:22.680 --> 00:41:26.600
And knowingly they have not only
published my most intimate thoughts.

00:41:27.240 --> 00:41:31.080
So I was like,
what\'s the ethics behind that?

00:41:32.720 --> 00:41:35.800
And at that moment,
when those journals were found...

00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:40.000
...I felt very strongly that I had failed
as a revolutionary.

00:41:41.600 --> 00:41:47.560
I thought I joined the guerrilla here
because I wanted to show my solidarity...

00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:50.800
...and I actually did the opposite.

00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.840
Sometimes I think maybe
it would have been easier for me...

00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.960
...if I had been court-martialed.

00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:21.320
At the time Tanja\'s diaries
were published...

00:42:22.200 --> 00:42:25.080
...one very unfortunate thing
was happening...

00:42:25.600 --> 00:42:30.800
...which cost the FARC a lot politically...

00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:32.840
...and that was the increase
of the kidnappings.

00:42:38.080 --> 00:42:40.360
It didn\'t matter...

00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:44.000
...if you were an entrepreneur,
a politician...

00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.200
...or if you were an ordinary citizen.

00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:50.280
If you had the way of being able to pay
for what the FARC asked you...

00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.360
...well then you were simply
a victim of kidnapping.

00:42:59.080 --> 00:43:03.840
People who lasted 12 or 15 years
in the guerrilla\'s power...

00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:07.640
...stuck in the depths
of the jungle,

00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.240
separated from their families...

00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:14.680
... andpractically became one
with the roots of trees.

00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:18.560
So I thought, Tanja is in trouble.

00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:24.760
The parents are very worried
about Tanja\'s safety...

00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:26.800
...now that the diaries are out in public...

00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:30.120
...indicating that she has had
enough of the FARC.

00:43:30.240 --> 00:43:33.000
You have been with the family
who don\'t want to talk.

00:43:33.120 --> 00:43:35.680
They still want media silence?

00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:40.240
Yes, absolutely. They want peace.
They are in hiding for the past time.

00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:43.000
And they just have one question:

00:43:43.120 --> 00:43:45.120
Is Tanja alive?

00:43:52.640 --> 00:43:55.640
This is one of the first things
I do each morning.

00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:58.640
I turn on the computer
and log onto the internet.

00:43:59.560 --> 00:44:02.800
I go to the Colombia portal.

00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:05.400
Every now and then you read...

00:44:05.520 --> 00:44:09.760
...about attacks on a camp
and you worry about...

00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:13.200
...whether Tanja is still alive,
would she be there?

00:44:15.200 --> 00:44:17.440
But fortunately such reports are rare.

00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.960
We gave them a normal childhood,
a protected childhood.

00:44:25.720 --> 00:44:29.480
They didn\'t live on the streets.
They had a home, decent clothes.

00:44:29.600 --> 00:44:33.520
They went to school.
We tried to give them lots of love.

00:44:34.120 --> 00:44:39.120
If you think about her living in the jungle...

00:44:39.240 --> 00:44:42.720
...you\'d go completely crazy.

00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.840
You can imagine that she
could have been punished.

00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:49.480
You just don\'t know
how the FARC reacts.

00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.680
Grandma, I love you very much.

00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:03.440
My sister is very beautiful.

00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:09.200
Mum, it\'s been over four months.

00:45:09.600 --> 00:45:11.720
I can\'t get used to you
not being here.

00:45:20.160 --> 00:45:22.640
There was a time in the development
of the war in Colombia...

00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:26.240
...when there was not a single Colombian
who did not have a relative...

00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:28.520
...a neighbour, a friend...

00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:31.680
...the friend of a friend,
who had been kidnapped.

00:45:39.200 --> 00:45:41.320
Me personally...

00:45:42.160 --> 00:45:45.040
...I experienced the pains...

00:45:45.160 --> 00:45:48.680
...derived from the military
confrontation and the war...

00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:52.480
...with the disappearance of the mother
of my two oldest children.

00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:55.760
We spent time along with her family...

00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:58.360
...desperately looking for her...

00:45:59.920 --> 00:46:02.160
...in the morgues...

00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:07.000
...in the places where
corpses appeared, etc.

00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:09.240
And we never found her.

00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:12.360
My children were very young
at that time.

00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.800
They were four and five years old...

00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:20.560
...and every day we have been accompanied...

00:46:20.680 --> 00:46:25.480
...by the feeling of emptiness
that their mother was not with us.

00:46:27.600 --> 00:46:32.440
The degradation that the Colombian
armed conflict reached...

00:46:32.560 --> 00:46:37.720
...ended up knocking on the door
of every home in this country...

00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:39.680
...in one way or another.

00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:56.160
Kidnappings were beginning to increase.

00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:59.280
And what it did was increase the war.

00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:03.040
Guerrilla groups, paramilitary groups.

00:47:03.160 --> 00:47:05.960
They all ate from the same corrupt plate.

00:47:10.200 --> 00:47:14.000
I was a young journalist
doing an investigation...

00:47:14.120 --> 00:47:18.600
...into weapons trafficking
and about kidnapping.

00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.560
The paramilitaries set a trap for me...

00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:27.840
...and at the jail door they kidnapped me.

00:47:31.080 --> 00:47:34.600
They take me out of Bogota
and to a paramilitary camp.

00:47:35.640 --> 00:47:39.360
There they torture me,
massively raped me...

00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:42.880
...and give the order to kill me.

00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:49.360
I was in the back of a van.

00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:52.400
There were three guys.

00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:56.120
One of them always
pointed a gun at me.

00:48:01.080 --> 00:48:03.800
I refused to allow myself
to be a victim.

00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:09.520
And after a very, very, very
deep reflection...

00:48:09.640 --> 00:48:12.360
...and talking to myself...

00:48:13.640 --> 00:48:18.200
...I turned to journalism and I decided
to dedicate myself to being a journalist.

00:48:19.600 --> 00:48:22.040
And journalism brought me my life back.

00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:28.840
After they kill you in life
what else can happen to you?

00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:31.400
I had nothing to lose anymore.

00:48:35.600 --> 00:48:39.280
In the middle of my personal drama...

00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:43.080
...I decided to work for the salvation...

00:48:43.240 --> 00:48:46.240
...of this one woman, Tanja.

00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:55.280
And we walked through the jungles,
sending messages through the army radio...

00:48:55.400 --> 00:49:00.480
...saying: \"Tanja, if you can hear us...

00:49:00.600 --> 00:49:04.120
...try to get to an army outpost.\"

00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:12.480
Every time there was a bombing...

00:49:12.600 --> 00:49:14.280
...she came to my mind.

00:49:23.520 --> 00:49:25.920
I started to worry...

00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.840
...because we hadn\'t heard
anything from her.

00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:33.120
The weeks became months.
The months became years.

00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:39.880
How can you not contact your parents
for so long? Not your sisters, or me.

00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:44.040
Are we ever going to hear
from her again?

00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:01.320
Hello, Hannie Nijmeijer.

00:50:16.120 --> 00:50:20.080
They had been looking for me
at the embassy, at the Red Cross.

00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:23.800
I was just gone for them.

00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:39.600
All this commotion.

00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:45.960
My dear girl, I once told you...

00:50:46.080 --> 00:50:50.120
...that you had a mother who\'d turn
the world upside down to find you.

00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:55.320
These past few years we\'ve been trying
our hardest to get a sign of life from you.

00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:56.920
But to no avail.

00:50:57.200 --> 00:51:01.320
This was the only option left to us.

00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:06.240
We\'ve made the long journey again
and we\'re not far away from you.

00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:08.320
We miss you so much.

00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:10.720
Please come back to us.

00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:13.120
Give us a sign of life.

00:51:13.240 --> 00:51:17.800
The possibility of returning to us
is guaranteed.

00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:23.680
Everything possible is being done
to enable your return to us.

00:51:25.120 --> 00:51:29.200
How can we go on living
with no words from you?

00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:31.600
Please give us a sign of life.

00:51:31.720 --> 00:51:33.600
Please come back.

00:51:33.880 --> 00:51:35.400
Love, Mum.

00:51:39.720 --> 00:51:44.160
At some point I asked
if I could send a letter home.

00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:47.880
That was approved.
I wrote a very long letter...

00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:50.720
...explaining exactly
why I had joined the guerrilla...

00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:53.200
...and why I would stay
with the guerrilla.

00:51:53.600 --> 00:51:58.400
That was the first time my parents had
actually heard a sign of life from me.

00:51:59.080 --> 00:52:02.800
And they had been looking for me
for a year and a half.

00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:06.720
But I think that was one of
the hardest periods in their lives.

00:52:09.520 --> 00:52:12.560
Because one thing is to be sure
that your daughter is dead...

00:52:12.680 --> 00:52:16.760
...and it\'s something else when
you have no certainty at all.

00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:21.320
And I think that\'s very difficult.
That\'s definitely something...

00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:25.800
...I would have done differently
if I had the chance to do it again.

00:52:26.680 --> 00:52:27.960
Definitely.

00:52:43.640 --> 00:52:49.240
The fact that I had a personal
experience of suffering...

00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.640
...that meant that my journalistic work...

00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:55.240
...was fueled...

00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:58.800
...by the pain I experienced.

00:53:01.640 --> 00:53:03.320
\"You\"...

00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:11.440
I managed to send a message to Jojoy...

00:53:11.560 --> 00:53:14.760
...saying that I wanted to interview Tanja.

00:53:15.680 --> 00:53:19.360
And he authorized me to come.

00:53:21.200 --> 00:53:23.960
The war is getting very heavy.

00:53:24.080 --> 00:53:28.760
Access to the jungle
is almost impossible.

00:53:32.240 --> 00:53:34.760
I cross rivers...

00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:38.320
...I walk hours and hours every day...

00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:42.960
...with a group of guerrilla fighters who
have the mission of taking me there.

00:53:48.520 --> 00:53:51.160
And the day I arrive...

00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:57.400
...Jojoy had organized a group
of almost 500 guerrilla fighters.

00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:01.960
And they are doing very solemn acts.

00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:05.800
There was a little theatre play.

00:54:10.040 --> 00:54:15.240
Suddenly there is a big stir
because Mono Jojoy appears.

00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:17.800
Good day.

00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:19.560
Sit down.
- Thank you.

00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:21.960
Four.

00:54:22.080 --> 00:54:24.600
I discover her.

00:54:24.720 --> 00:54:28.640
among dozens of guerrilla fighters.

00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:31.400
She is sitting there,
just like everyone else...

00:54:31.520 --> 00:54:34.120
...with a big smile on her face...

00:54:34.640 --> 00:54:38.880
...as a spectator, watching the ceremony
that was taking place.

00:54:40.600 --> 00:54:43.720
When the ceremony ends,
there is a party.

00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:48.680
And I see her celebrating
with her guerrilla colleagues.

00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:12.720
So how is this woman, eh Mono?

00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:16.400
She is an extraordinary student
of guerrilla life.

00:55:16.520 --> 00:55:19.560
She is very committed
and the people love her.

00:55:19.680 --> 00:55:25.280
She is already beginning to lead the
guerrilla, because she is capable.

00:55:34.200 --> 00:55:37.480
Mono Jojoy told me...

00:55:37.600 --> 00:55:41.840
...there is a journalist here
and he\'d like to interview you.

00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:47.680
You have to know whether
you\'re going to give that interview or not.

00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:50.520
I was like: Well, I want
to do it either way.

00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:54.000
I want to do it anyway, because...

00:55:54.120 --> 00:55:57.760
...I felt like I had
to set something straight.

00:55:59.680 --> 00:56:04.280
It had been three years before..

00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:07.520
...that they found my journals.

00:56:09.160 --> 00:56:13.840
I hadn\'t been punished at that time,
but it took me two years...

00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:16.640
...to gain back the trust.

00:56:17.040 --> 00:56:20.400
Standing guard, transporting food...

00:56:20.520 --> 00:56:22.880
...cooking, digging trenches.

00:56:26.720 --> 00:56:29.360
I wasn\'t feeling so bad
about that anymore.

00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:32.120
But I was like,
I want to make it right anyway.

00:56:32.240 --> 00:56:36.720
I want to tell the world that I\'m here
because I want to be here.

00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:41.000
That was actually really important
to me as a revolutionary.

00:56:41.680 --> 00:56:43.720
And then we did that interview.

00:56:45.160 --> 00:56:50.560
How do you deal with it here?

00:56:51.160 --> 00:56:55.960
Are you nostalgic when you think
about your family?

00:56:56.320 --> 00:56:58.440
It was a great sacrifice.

00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:04.080
But if I had chosen to be
with my family...

00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:06.680
...I would not have been
able to be here.

00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:10.480
It was one or the other
and I chose this route.

00:57:10.600 --> 00:57:13.600
Because I think it was a sacrifice
that had to be made.

00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:16.800
The guerrilla is your family?
- Yes, of course.

00:57:17.120 --> 00:57:20.080
The guerrilla is even more.

00:57:21.040 --> 00:57:24.600
What I want to say
to this world is, it is this:

00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:30.320
I am a guerrilla fighter of the revolutionary
armed forces of Colombia (FARC)...

00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:36.800
...and I will continue to be a guerrillera
until we win or until I die.

00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:43.800
If the Colombian government
still believe...

00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:47.400
...and try to publicise
that I am here as a kidnappee...

00:57:47.520 --> 00:57:50.400
...what I say is, that they should come.

00:57:50.520 --> 00:57:52.440
They should come to my rescue.

00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:56.280
And we will welcome them with AK-47s.

00:57:56.400 --> 00:58:00.440
With AKs, with fifty millimetres,
with mines, with mortars...

00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:04.560
With everything.
We will welcome them with pleasure.

00:58:07.680 --> 00:58:11.280
The newspaper \"Who and what\"
posted a two-minute video today...

00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:15.200
...featuring Dutch woman, Tanja Nijmeijer
in the camp of Mono Jojoy.

00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:19.360
In the video, Tanja seems happy
in Mono Jojoy\'s camp.

00:58:21.720 --> 00:58:25.280
We thought that Tanja Nijmeijer
was in Colombia...

00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:28.200
...against her will imprisoned by
the FARC, but I don\'t trust that.

00:58:28.600 --> 00:58:33.440
Here, we had the idea that she was a victim,
but that impression disappeared completely.

00:58:33.640 --> 00:58:36.920
Meanwhile, in the Dutch village
where the guerrillera\'s family lives...

00:58:37.040 --> 00:58:39.840
...her neighbours are not happy with news.

00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:41.840
I find it horrible.

00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:44.960
This has nothing to do
with this small village here.

00:58:45.240 --> 00:58:49.920
It\'s sad. I never expected this
from the neighbours.

00:58:54.040 --> 00:58:57.920
I really had a bit of the feeling
after the interview...

00:58:58.040 --> 00:59:02.520
...that something had been lifted
off my shoulders...

00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:07.360
...but at that moment I didn\'t think
about how my words...

00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:11.000
...or how my version would be
received by the world.

00:59:12.120 --> 00:59:15.480
She is a terrorist.
No more and no less.

00:59:15.600 --> 00:59:19.920
And like all other FARC fighters
it would be the best if she disappeared.

00:59:52.040 --> 00:59:55.200
Dear Jungle Book.
Today, after five years in the FARC.

00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:57.800
They organised a surprise party for me.

00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:02.680
I was allowed to kidnap two kindergarten classes
and execute the hostage of my choice.

01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:04.160
I\'m so spoiled.

01:00:08.240 --> 01:00:10.040
It is a very big word, terrorist.

01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:13.960
I don\'t think you can compare
a guerrillera from the FARC...

01:00:14.080 --> 01:00:17.760
...with someone who has joined
al-Qaeda or ISIS.

01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:21.840
In my mind I think that\'s
a totally wrong comparison.

01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:23.160
But...

01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:25.720
...I\'m not like the rest of the Netherlands.

01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:29.080
A lot of people think
a terrorist is a terrorist.

01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:31.560
You\'ve got a gun.
You fight, you murder.

01:00:31.680 --> 01:00:34.360
So bam, we put that label on it.

01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:41.960
Inside of the guerrilla
she became a myth.

01:00:44.160 --> 01:00:47.320
If she did that from a foreign country...

01:00:47.520 --> 01:00:50.760
...why would we, who are from
this country, not do it?

01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:55.040
And she is for them a popstar, a rockstar.

01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:03.560
We are considered terrorists
but she embraced us...

01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:05.640
...at the cost of what people say.

01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:08.120
Embracing a cause.

01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:39.360
One of the Americans recognised her
from that interview.

01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:43.800
And that was the moment that
Tanja was put on the Interpol list.

01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:46.520
The international arrest warrant.

01:01:48.720 --> 01:01:52.120
Tanja is accused of rebellion
against the Colombian state.

01:01:52.240 --> 01:01:55.960
This would include hard evidence
against Tanja Nijmeijer.

01:01:56.080 --> 01:01:59.480
If convicted, she could face
years in prison.

01:01:59.600 --> 01:02:04.640
We are on maximum alert
for the location and capture...

01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:08.440
...of the Dutch national Tanja...

01:02:08.560 --> 01:02:13.120
...for the crimes of rebellion, sedition
and arson amongst others.

01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:21.080
Her participation as a translator
in that interview is interpreted...

01:02:21.720 --> 01:02:24.880
...by the North American authorities...

01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:30.240
...as complicity in the kidnapping
of the three North Americans.

01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:32.600
The press says that you are CIA agents.

01:04:04.080 --> 01:04:07.360
I promise to God and the people...

01:04:07.560 --> 01:04:11.880
...to uphold the constitution
and the law of Colombia.

01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:20.280
In the year 2010, the right hand man
of Uribe and his Minister of Defense...

01:04:20.680 --> 01:04:22.560
...Mr. Juan Manuel Santos...

01:04:22.680 --> 01:04:27.000
...assumes the presidency and arrives
at the Parliament with the certainty...

01:04:27.120 --> 01:04:30.840
...that he\'s going to be the one...

01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:32.680
...who will deactivate the FARC.

01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:50.040
The symbol of terror in Colombia has fallen.

01:04:50.600 --> 01:04:52.440
The man known as Mono Jojoy...

01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:56.720
...the bloodthirsty ringleader
responsible for thousands of deaths...

01:04:56.840 --> 01:04:58.640
...for thousands of kidnappings...

01:04:58.760 --> 01:05:01.360
...has gone to his grave.

01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:17.680
The military balance
was totally in favour of the State.

01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:22.080
There was already
a kind of collective feeling...

01:05:22.200 --> 01:05:25.040
...within the guerrilla command...

01:05:25.680 --> 01:05:29.120
...that this was going nowhere.

01:06:00.160 --> 01:06:05.720
Exploratory conversations
have developed with FARC...

01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:09.240
...to seek the end of the conflict.

01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:24.400
The Dutch woman Tanja Nijmeijer...

01:06:24.520 --> 01:06:29.320
...gets an increasingly important role
in the Colombian rebel movement, FARC.

01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:32.600
She will represent the organisation
in the peace negotiations...

01:06:32.720 --> 01:06:35.000
...with the Colombian government.
This became clear today.

01:06:35.120 --> 01:06:36.880
A dialogue is the only way...

01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:40.240
...to end the fighting between the
Colombian government and the FARC.

01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:43.240
That\'s what Tanja Nijmeijer has said,
who acts as a negotiator...

01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:45.560
...for the leftist rebellion movement
at Cuba.

01:06:46.160 --> 01:06:50.800
She became part
of what the FARC called...

01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:53.920
...\"The International Commission
of the FARC\".

01:06:54.280 --> 01:06:58.480
She is another Tanja,
a renewed Tanja.

01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:05.760
Then there are already 500 cameras
from international news agencies.

01:07:06.200 --> 01:07:09.920
They\'re looking for her for interviews.

01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:15.440
Tanja was a protagonist...

01:07:15.680 --> 01:07:17.800
...of the peace talks.

01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:07.760
The first phone call.

01:09:08.120 --> 01:09:11.840
I had so many questions
all this time in my head.

01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:18.360
I hadn\'t spoken to her on the phone since
one time in 2003 when she\'d called me...

01:09:18.480 --> 01:09:21.240
...to say she was going to teach the Indians.

01:09:21.640 --> 01:09:25.040
And so I had a thousand and one questions.

01:09:25.160 --> 01:09:28.360
It was so nice to talk to each other.

01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:34.400
Not long after that, my husband and I
booked a ticket to Havana to meet her, too.

01:09:44.240 --> 01:09:46.440
As things happen in life...

01:09:47.120 --> 01:09:49.680
...I met her for the first time in Havana.

01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:54.240
The first impression I had
was very negative.

01:09:55.320 --> 01:09:57.720
I was like: \"What\'s up with her?\".

01:09:59.080 --> 01:10:01.360
I thought: \"She is arrogant\".

01:10:07.080 --> 01:10:10.600
I assumed that she was
an army infiltrator.

01:10:12.520 --> 01:10:15.080
And I started to do
counterintelligence on her.

01:10:15.440 --> 01:10:19.520
This meant I had to become
a close friend of hers...

01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:23.080
...to see what she was thinking...

01:10:23.200 --> 01:10:25.240
...who she was talking to,
what she was doing.

01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:32.200
Since she spoke English
and she was the international figure...

01:10:32.320 --> 01:10:36.040
...they basically threw her
in front of the cameras...

01:10:36.160 --> 01:10:40.400
...where the pressure and the international
image of the FARC was up to her.

01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:41.560
I think I was being
very dogmatic at that time.

01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:46.840
It was very difficult at that time because
the FARC did not have a clear position.

01:11:47.440 --> 01:11:50.320
For example on the subject of victims.

01:11:51.480 --> 01:11:55.880
The FARC position at the beginning
of the negotiations was a bit as:

01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:58.480
Victims?
The victims are from the state.

01:11:59.120 --> 01:12:01.640
The victims are not just on one side...

01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:05.720
...and that victims from all sides are important.

01:12:06.440 --> 01:12:11.320
I think that, over the years, there
has been much more clarity about this.

01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:18.280
And I think that has become a bit
perhaps a bit of nuanced...

01:12:18.400 --> 01:12:22.320
...in Havana after those meetings
with the victims.

01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:31.440
For fourteen years...

01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:32.600
...five months...

01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:35.520
...seventeen days.

01:12:37.520 --> 01:12:41.520
30,000 disappeared

01:12:44.320 --> 01:12:46.920
I went to the fourth victims\' delegation...

01:12:47.040 --> 01:12:49.160
...as a survivor of sexual violence.

01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:55.840
When I entered, the first person
I see sitting there was Tanja.

01:12:57.680 --> 01:13:01.920
And I\'m convinced
she had no idea who I was.

01:13:02.040 --> 01:13:03.960
I was just one more victim.

01:13:04.320 --> 01:13:06.320
The country must understand...

01:13:06.440 --> 01:13:09.040
...that only through dialogue...

01:13:09.160 --> 01:13:13.040
...consultation and reconciliation...

01:13:13.160 --> 01:13:18.920
...it will be possible to concretise
the word we say so often

01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:22.400
but of which little we know:

01:13:22.520 --> 01:13:23.680
Peace.

01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:28.720
When she went to tell her story,
she said at the beginning...

01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:32.080
...that she wanted to dedicate her story
to five women.

01:13:33.280 --> 01:13:35.920
And I was one of those women.
But she didn\'t say why.

01:13:36.040 --> 01:13:39.600
So I was really like:
I find it super weird.

01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:42.440
What do I have to do with this lady?

01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:45.040
We believe in you...

01:13:45.160 --> 01:13:48.640
...and we want the country to believe
in the peace agreement.

01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:52.600
Then she said: I want to dedicate
my story to Tanja Nijmeijer...

01:13:53.240 --> 01:13:56.160
...because I was the journalist...

01:13:56.920 --> 01:13:59.760
...who published your diaries.

01:14:02.040 --> 01:14:04.000
I\'m here because of you...

01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:06.560
...and I want to ask for forgiveness.

01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:09.560
Because you are a woman.

01:14:11.080 --> 01:14:13.480
And I told the world things...

01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:16.680
...that belonged only to you.

01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:21.080
There was an intermission.

01:14:21.200 --> 01:14:22.720
It was a moment...

01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:26.400
...of a lot of pain, a lot of tension.
We were all crying.

01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:28.080
And I went out.

01:14:29.360 --> 01:14:31.040
She was there.

01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:33.520
I approached her...

01:14:33.640 --> 01:14:36.560
...and I said that I wanted to apologise.

01:14:37.040 --> 01:14:39.240
I reached out my hand to her.

01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:45.000
But I didn\'t receive a response.

01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:47.800
And I managed to understand...

01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:51.040
...the pain, but also the rage she had.

01:15:00.200 --> 01:15:02.320
That was very brave of her.

01:15:02.440 --> 01:15:05.040
What she did that day.

01:15:05.160 --> 01:15:08.560
She sat across from me...

01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:10.520
...and looked me in the eye.

01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:13.480
I wasn\'t ready for that.

01:15:18.240 --> 01:15:20.600
We don\'t need the country...

01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:24.720
...to be handed over in pieces
to the FARC.

01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:28.640
The marches in Bogota and other cities
were against the peace process...

01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:30.240
...and were supported
by the Democratic Center.

01:15:30.360 --> 01:15:32.840
Among the political leaders
who participated...

01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:37.040
...were Senator Álvaro Uribe and
ex-candidate Óscar Iván Zuluaga.

01:15:37.440 --> 01:15:40.280
No more FARC.

01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:42.000
No more Santos.

01:15:53.360 --> 01:15:58.240
In 2016, the Colombian government
of President Santos...

01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:02.040
...and the FARC signed a peace deal.

01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:10.600
I felt that there was hope
among the ordinary people...

01:16:10.720 --> 01:16:12.400
...that the war was to end.

01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:39.600
Leaving the weapons
is braver than taking them.

01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:45.880
Because then you are only able
to argue about your views.

01:16:47.280 --> 01:16:52.800
The easiest way to defend your view
is by killing another one...

01:16:53.120 --> 01:16:54.440
...without discussion.

01:18:00.400 --> 01:18:03.800
This is truly a unique congress.

01:18:04.480 --> 01:18:09.240
A congress that we wouldn\'t have
imagined, even eight years ago.

01:18:41.080 --> 01:18:45.280
We have built a small world
in which we feel good.

01:18:46.240 --> 01:18:48.560
With a dog, Pancho.

01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:50.280
A cat.

01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:51.880
And...

01:18:52.240 --> 01:18:55.600
...silence, which is
what we miss so much.

01:18:59.480 --> 01:19:03.640
For her, it is sad, difficult...

01:19:04.240 --> 01:19:07.160
...to see that all the ex-combatants
are now at home...

01:19:07.280 --> 01:19:09.440
...with their families, except her.

01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:15.760
And that she was left in this country
without being able to leave.

01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:22.120
What are you writing?

01:19:23.960 --> 01:19:25.360
Nonsense.

01:20:41.280 --> 01:20:42.920
The Colombian countryside...

01:20:43.040 --> 01:20:46.480
...continues in the same state of
abandonment of misery, of poverty...

01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:50.360
...that it had during the war.

01:20:54.040 --> 01:20:57.600
More than 50 years
of the guerrilla experience...

01:20:58.040 --> 01:20:59.880
...ended in nothing.

01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:01.840
In nothing.

01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:10.600
For me she wasn\'t a terrorist.

01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:14.320
She was a woman who was
in the middle of the war.

01:21:14.440 --> 01:21:18.200
But people\'s rage does not
allow them to understand that.

01:21:24.240 --> 01:21:28.840
Hatred is one of the worst diseases
humans can have.

01:21:29.240 --> 01:21:34.440
I think it is one of the biggest problems
we have as a society in Colombia.

01:21:38.240 --> 01:21:42.520
If we can learn to transform
our individual pains...

01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:45.560
...we would surely become
a different society.

01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:50.160
But you cannot ask people
to forgive overnight.

01:21:51.480 --> 01:21:53.920
How are you?
You went to the hairdresser?

01:21:54.040 --> 01:21:55.000
Yes.
- Oh.

01:21:57.240 --> 01:22:00.080
Forgiveness is not something automatic.

01:22:00.200 --> 01:22:04.560
Because it has pain behind it
and you need a maturation process.

01:22:06.920 --> 01:22:10.200
I think we will need to go
through several generations...

01:22:10.320 --> 01:22:14.320
...to come to some kind
of reconciliation process.

01:22:17.160 --> 01:22:22.640
What I find hard to digest is
what I\'ve imposed on other people...

01:22:24.480 --> 01:22:26.520
...to take up arms.

01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:31.240
It didn\'t work.
That has now been proven.

01:22:31.360 --> 01:22:36.120
We have tried it several times.
Not only us, other guerrillas too.

01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:39.880
So, for God\'s sake,
let\'s try something different.