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Well, now they baptize you in the church and
the baptizing pool.

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But the way when I was baptized, I was baptized
out in the woods in the old

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time way.
And they don\'t do like they used to do in the

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old time way.

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They baptized now and they acquired with their
religion.

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But then when I was baptized the spirit, the
holy ghost was there and people were shouting

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everywhere.

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We\'d always have baptisms early in the
morning.

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That was uh part of our activity pilgrim church
which church uh farm pastor.

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(muffled background voices)

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(muffled background voices)

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Minister would go down and take a long stick
and, and wade out into the water.

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(muffled background voices)

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really.
The Spirit of the Lord would come down and uh

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they just uh they just wouldn\'t have no control.
People.

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Spirit of the Lord is on them.

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They, they have spent that or you just don\'t
have it.

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They go down, they sang on the, on, on maybe on,
on uh on the river,

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on the uh water site.

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They sang old spirituals.

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And you talking about Hallelujah time. OK.

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Oh, thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah.
People get happy

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and they get the shouting and be shouting on
the banks of the river just like people do in

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church. Ok.

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(singing) Thank you.
Thank you.

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(singing) Thank you.
Thank you.

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You brought me, you brought me ladies and
gentlemen.

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I usually take advantage of an opportunity to
get the virus of some people because long I

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have to go.
Even before I go, I like to have some kind of a

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something or some kind of a voice where you can
remember these prominent folks.

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We\'re making a record.

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I\'m just taking this little time to let you see,
just how this is done.

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See, we make records here.
We make pictures here with these music here and

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we eat and sleep here from me yet.
(singing) You brought me from the

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(singing) so, Oh, he\'s a, a little

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brown skin preacher weighed about, he might
weigh 150.

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Yeah, that\'s him.
He was little and they were white glasses.

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(singing) You brought me here. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He was a fiery preacher.

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He really could preach the gospel.

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He a type preacher that he could move around.

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In other words, he was the accent preacher.
He didn\'t just stand and didn\'t move.

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He was a moving preacher when he was in the
pulpit.

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Thank you. Great. Right.

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He would take picture and he would edit them
together and make a presentation out of them

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and he would show them at church.

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So when he had something like this, everybody
went and you can have a house full and he

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had a mic, he would narrate as he went along
because even

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though he was a minister and by the very nature
you\'re a minister,

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you don\'t, you know, photography and minister
just, there\'s no,

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you don\'t have to mix the two at all.
I mean,

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there\'s no reason to, but because of his love
for photography,

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he didn\'t just take pictures but he used his
work as his photography and film making to make

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a social statement.
It\'s a social statement what he did because it

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was like a tale of two cities there
(Preacher) Family and some pain or whatever

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the condition is that you\'re able to heal the,
you\'re able to have a problem, whatever our

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problems are this morning, to the place
we have to touch us,

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let us feel you touch out a heart, touch our
soul,

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you have a problem or whatever, whatever the
condition is you able to the mouth of that

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condition.
He introduced uh

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filming in a different area from as it was
produced in Hollywood.

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His were introduced to a different group of
people in a different way.

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So he made a contribution to the spiritual
world and um you know,

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to others, to the family.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Mhm

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His objective way of teaching was in like Jesus
Parables and like uh uh

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uh the people that give character sketches, he
would give a character sketch of what he\'s

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going to say, what we call visual education of
today.

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He could let the people see it and he could
tell, then he could tell a story so beautiful,

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he could tell that story and get the, that
people could get the moral from the story

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better than they could, the logic and also the
theological analysis of the Bible.

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He was in the

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that a lot of the black secretaries were
trained through Henderson business school and

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he has a family of them typing up to music for
someone that\'s playing the piano.

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OK.

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It\'s during that period of time when he was
filming because of the situation.

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Like in the South, you had the Black Chamber of
Commerce, the black old folks on the Welfare

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League, every, they had duplicated all the city
services which they couldn\'t get.

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He had documented all of this here.

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K one, all of me and little kids, you know,
imagine the

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fascinations of letting of little kids when
they get a chance to get under this black cloak

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and look through there and see these people
upside down.

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But he\'s about to take pictures of them and
kids were just enamored with that and all the

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photographers that they\'d ever seen were white.
We didn\'t bother to show little black kids how,

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how the thing, the vision looks through the
camera lens and that kind of thing.

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And so he was always doing something like I say,
little kids riding on the running board of the

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cars because their parents didn\'t have cars.

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I was, mm, seven or eight years old.

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I remember him coming to the church showing
films that,

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you know, that he had taken, he would show
movies and that was something we always look

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forward to when they say Reverend Taylor was
gonna show a movie.

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You know, we would be there and it was the kind
of thing that,

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uh, Children, we lived in the neighborhood and
we could walk to church by ourselves.

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You know, then even in the evening when we
would have,

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uh, movies

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when I was a child, Pastor Taylor was extremely
big, uh,

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in Memphis.
And what happened was because the,

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the church building was located on Calhoon just
below both train stations.

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Black men who travel the railroads for a living
and who would church me and would come in on

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Sunday evenings and Sunday nights and almost
run to all of it to hear him preach because he

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was their church away from home.
And so that his messages got preached all over

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the country, even though he himself probably
did not travel very far except for national

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Baptist conventions and things.

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What\'s that? Cool.

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Yeah, we right

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in God\'s Kingdom will pay for it all.

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Just one in God\'s Kingdom will be fine.

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Yeah.
Come on.

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Yeah. Play.

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They thought it was wonderful and thought that
he was progressive that he was beyond,

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uh, he, in fact that they felt that if he was
going to say you were going in the big end of

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the home, the little one he would, he would
have it so that you could see

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right real time.

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And his were much is a matter of vision and he
used all of the senses that you could have,

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hearing, seeing and feeling.

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Taylor was one of the first, he\'s the first one
that I know of was doing anything like that

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among black people.

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That was something most black people they
didn\'t have.

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# one, they didn\'t have the money.

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You just can\'t, you couldn\'t buy all those
films just with,

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with a nickel a dime.

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He was a jack of all trades record producer,
photographer, minister,

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camera person, the writer candy maker.
As far as

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Memphis is concerned, it, I had never seen a
record, extensive record like he has at the

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black community because of the situation like
in the South is in other places.

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It was like a, a totally different system
during that time.

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If you look the thirties, the forties and up,
you know,

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you had the crows laws a whole lot of things.
As far as social aid,

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it was always our stigma against just being
black and,

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but he showed it was a different side of just,
you know,

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you just wasn\'t black and poor.

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He was interested in um preserving that black
image

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to be left for generation after generation to
be able to see from which you

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came.
And what happened in the days when it was not

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as good for you as it is now.

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And you can imagine you go into a community
where there are no television,

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have few radios and you said we\'re gonna have a
movie and you can imagine how people came out.

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It was a tremendous experience.

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We would invite Ello Taylor to come and he\'d
come Thursday and he would throw his pictures

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on Thursday night and preach them home And you
could have

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easily two or 3000 people.
In fact, they couldn\'t get in the building,

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but you pack them in the, see the movie.
Now, this is Thursday evening and he might,

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he, he, and he\'s such a fine fella.
He\'d show him sometimes as long as they wanted

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to see, see him, you know, he might show them
two or three times until everybody got around

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to seeing her.
And then, you know, he, he would go where he\'s

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going to spend the evening.

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Uh, and then he, he, he\'d come back to the
church the next day

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and he preached his and then of course, the
praise was packed out after they\'d heard him

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once they would come from far and near.

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Bye. Mhm.

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Reven had a movie camera and he would make
pitches as the,

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the folks got there, he make pitches at the
station and I couldn\'t keep

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up with him hardly for making pitches

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and I didn\'t try.

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Yeah, Back

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then you didn\'t go in on dining car.
If you were black,

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you couldn\'t go in the dining car, period.

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You started going in the dining car after the
60s.

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Yes, you could, you could go in the dining car.

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That\'s wrong.
I was wrong because I know, uh, I went in the

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dining car and the, and I went to New Jersey,
but now I don\'t

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know whether you could go in the dining car in,
in the south or not,

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but you could, you could go in the dining car
upstate.

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I take that back.
That\'s right.

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And Dixon line, that\'s what I\'m trying.
Yeah, that\'s right.

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You take the train, then all the blacks would
ride the front

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torches because see, then the trains burn coal,
they use coal to,

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for steam to run it and, and you see it wasn\'t
in the air condition and when you,

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you could raise the window, you had to keep the
window down though because all that smoke and

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that blowing off, that engine would just fly in
there.

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But see all the whites were all the way on the
back.

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If the train gonna be there maybe in five
minutes.

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If a little sandwich shop on the, in the air,
well, if they didn\'t have a window where it

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said color, you still couldn\'t get anything.

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So these are the things they done you had to
encounter traveling and southern traveling was,

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was hard because so many places you go, you
just couldn\'t,

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they didn\'t, if they didn\'t have that colored
sign up there,

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that was it.
You just have to wait to get somewhere if you

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get somewhere else before you get waited on.

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Well, no, you talking about going through that
front door.

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If you did, you, you might not get out of it.

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He made him getting off the train and on the
train and round the

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train and walking by the walking.

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No.
Oh, it, it, it really is exciting when you

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leave.
If you cross, you know, get into uh era like

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getting in Illinois or how uh then it\'s so much
better.

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You, you, you didn\'t have, you didn\'t have all
those uh uh segregated eras.

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Oh,

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well, here is the National Baptist Convention
uh which is the largest black organization in

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the United States.

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And it\'s been like that for years and Taylor
went to all these meetings and

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he was one of the few people who understood
taking these pictures in California and in

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Florida.
While these palm trees, this is an interesting

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thing.
He, if he goes back home, so I\'m gonna show the

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movies tonight of the national convention.
You can imagine how many people who didn\'t go

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to the National Baths and them who went, just
love to see themselves on the,

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a little something that I thought would
interest many of whom those on the platform and

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those in the audience.

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I\'m sure all of you or most of you of the
President

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me stand and organizing a civil rights
committee

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is the first way to start abolishing.

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Did it profit more or less, um, to have this
kind of uh,

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organization formed and going from city to city?

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And uh, I think it, it, it paved the road for
where we are now because even though under

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those adverse circumstances, it, it caused us
to be able to meet together,

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get material and learn of other ways of things
happening and how to get into

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the, the other segment of the world.
So when the civil rights movement came about,

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you knew what was there and all you had to do
was just move into it.

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So it was a learning process, even though like
I said,

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it was on that first circumstance, it was a
learning process to what happened,

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you know, years later.

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And it was, I, I feel that it was good that,
that the,

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that the black organization was formed for, you
know, for that reason,

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ungodly and sinful power and discrimination.

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God over there

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up together this

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bill, the saying we understand and come up to
the White House.

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Look on the, that respect.

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1000 naturally.

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So I bought a car coming down here, one of our,
over here at

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the convention, he\'d bring them back and uh
show them to the churches.

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Uh They liked it, they live it

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at themselves and they enjoyed it.

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Uh He would tell about it, you know,

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great.

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The night that the film was shown, it was, you
know, it was like a rebirth of,

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of something that you um, that you\'ve gone
through in the past.

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And it, it\'s just, it was, uh it was like
reminiscing all the way back.

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Uh This kind of thing was such a novel in that
day and just have everybody,

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you have a church for the church, uh about 7,
800 people at that time.

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You can, you got 7, 800 people together for the
showing of the film.

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You had a tremendous crowd and of course, there
was not a bunch of other things that uh blacks

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could do for, for outlet in Memphis history and
our

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history books don\'t reflect that contribution
that Black Americans made as far as Memphis

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goes and you don\'t hear about that or when you
do hear it\'s only in passing,

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but it\'s not like a written word.

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And this is a film is similar to the written
word.

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It\'s down to, you can reread it over and over,
you can play it over and over.

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Hey, that over there on the other side.
Yeah, with a little cap on out.

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Yeah, I see it. Yeah.

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Tell me,

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you know, um I saw and all that on the um films.

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It, it, it sort of reminds you when you see the
pictures in the Bible and you read about the

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Baptizers on the River Jordan and they are more
sacred.

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To me, even though we don\'t do them now seem to
me they were more sacred,

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oriented, baptized than what they are now in
the pool,

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in the church pool.

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Oh.
And of course, you know, those pictures really

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spoke to, uh, the minds of the people.

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They, they, in fact they were real sacred for
them.

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Pray for those. Yeah.

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Sounds good. No. Ok.

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After a while. Boy.

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So, yeah.

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Don\'t do our job here.

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The, no.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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His name and thank,

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yeah. No.

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Yeah. Yes.

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Yeah, I know it. Yeah. Yeah. True. Yeah. Yeah.

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Get down here. Yeah.

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World with this. Love.

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Hard to get even. Yeah. Yeah.

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Where you from?

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Yeah.
And

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so tell us,

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ok, it\'s all right.

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It\'s all right.
I have told you all the very.

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Yeah. Mhm.

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Well, I\'m excited the,

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yeah.