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- No?

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- No.

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- [Laurel] I've covered a lot

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of big stories of the past years,

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from environmental issues
to humanitarian ones.

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But what really interests
me is going into the field

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and investigating indifferent
wildlife trade issues.

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Especially if it's a new market.

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Recently two other
investigators I'm working with

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told me all of a sudden jaguar parts

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were being trafficked to Asia.

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- [Laurel] The traders involved

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in this source illegal wildlife products

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from allover the world,

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but you don't normally hear

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about wildlife products being trafficked

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to China from South America.

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No one that I've spoken to knows anything

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about the jaguar trade.

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There are just so many
questions to answer.

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Who wants this?

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Why do they want this?

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It's a big mystery right now.

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- [Laurel] Tigers are endangered
because of Chinese demand.

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And that demand is very likely leading

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to jaguars being killed.

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In China, wildlife
trafficking is a problem.

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It's a huge problem.

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The first time I really learned that

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was when I went to the Congo.

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I visited this openair wildlife market.

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- [Laurel] I told them that my mom wanted

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to buy ivory, and I wanted to
show her what was for sale.

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- [Laurel] They all knew
the Chinese word for ivory,

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because of course the ivory trade's

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very much connected to China.

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- [Laurel] To see the
impact that my own home

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was having in Africa,

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this place that I thought was as far away

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as you could get from China, was shocking.

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It just pissed me off.

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So I do feel a responsibility

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to help shed light on this jaguar trade,

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if the demand is coming from China.

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Especially if it might be connected

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to the rise of Chinese
influence in South America.

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- [Reporter] Chinese Foreign
Minister Wang Yi is in Bolivia.

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He is pledging billions of dollars in loans for the country.

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(birds chirping)

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(water splashing)

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(fire crackling)

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- [Laurel] Come in.

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- Is this four cheese?

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- [Both] I think that's four cheese.

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- There's some bleu on there.

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- Okay. Definitely not me.

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- Good investigative work.

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(all laughing)

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- So I was just in Shenzhen, Guangzhou.

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Have you been to those
traditional Chinese markets

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in Guangzhou?

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- No.
- They're crazy.

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It's like basically a mall,
or like an indoor market,

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and every stall is just a TCM,
Chinese medicine wholesaler.

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And you'll go to one stall
and it's just seahorses,

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and you go to another stall

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and it's just turtle shells,

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you go to another stall
and it's just insect husks.

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Or, like, dried insects.

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And it's crazy.

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- [Friend] Wow. This is Guangzhou?

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- Mmhmm.

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And that's where I pretended to want

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to buy jaguar parts.

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Yeah.

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- [Friend] Is there like a hub
in China for jaguar trading?

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- Jaguars are in South America, so it's...

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Apparently it's Bolivia, Peru.

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We started investigating in South America,

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and then I'm sorta working

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on like the demand side of things.

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- [Friend] And China is
just the demand side?

00:39:41.220 --> 00:39:42.053
- Yeah.

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Though it wouldn't
surprise me if, you know,

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on either side there were
people who were in on it,

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because any time there's smuggling

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you probably need someone in
on it from side or the other.

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- So, I'm curious, like,
who are these people?

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These buyers, I mean.

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Is it like a Northerner
thing, or a Southerner thing?

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'Cause in Hong Kong, I mean,

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I really haven't even heard of it.

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- I don't really know.

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Because it's still new.

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It's kind of under the radar.

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But if we asked all our
relatives and family,

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like, maybe someone might
sort of heard of someone.

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That's the thing about China, right?

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It's like it can be super, super niche,

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but you only need a
handful, or a few dozen,

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or a few hundred people to
make a big enough impact

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on these wildlife populations.

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Right?

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(car horns honking)

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(dramatic orchestral music)

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- It seems like they just kinda

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wanna bring something nice back home

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with the money they've earned.

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I don't think they think a lot

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about their impact on the environment.

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Just like I don't think most people

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in the world don't really think

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about their impact on the environment.

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- [X] Yeah, or eating meat.

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(car horn honking)

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- So, you know how in
China people buy tiger?

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So, in South America there is more

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and more Chinese people
buying jaguar parts.

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- Did you know they were endangered?

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- Tiger.

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- Some rhino species are gone.

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Completely gone.

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- [Laurel] Yeah.

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- [Laurel] Me?

00:46:06.630 --> 00:46:07.463
- Yeah.

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- Yeah.

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- [Laurel] I mean there's
this misconception

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that all Chinese people
are like sneaking around

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doing something that they know is illegal

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and terrible for wildlife conservation

00:47:12.330 --> 00:47:16.230
when it's people's parents, their uncles,

00:47:16.230 --> 00:47:19.083
their aunts who buy these products.

00:47:23.010 --> 00:47:25.743
My parents gave me medicine.

00:47:27.270 --> 00:47:28.200
They gave me something they thought

00:47:28.200 --> 00:47:29.970
would make me feel better

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based on tenets of traditional
Chinese philosophy.

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It really drives home how
prevalent these trades can be

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and how hard it is to address them.

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It's just part of people's lives here.

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(engines rumbling)

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(children chattering)

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(all chattering)

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(all chattering)

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(Dilma laughing)

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(child shouting)

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- [Marcos] Yeah?

00:55:40.352 --> 00:55:44.019
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(engine rumbling)

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(insects chirping)

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(tense music)

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(door clicking)

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- No.

01:01:24.751 --> 01:01:26.084
- Yeah.

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01:03:30.470 --> 01:03:34.137
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- [Laurel] So, traditional
Chinese medicine,

01:04:25.560 --> 01:04:28.397
there's herbs, mineral products,

01:04:28.397 --> 01:04:30.210
and there's animal products.

01:04:30.210 --> 01:04:31.043
- Yeah.

01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:43.200
- [Laurel] You don't use
them because it's illegal

01:04:43.200 --> 01:04:44.033
or because you can't
- Illegal.

01:04:51.300 --> 01:04:55.020
- So, was tiger used in
Chinese medicine before?

01:05:17.220 --> 01:05:19.763
- [Laurel] But people are
still consuming those products.

01:05:26.454 --> 01:05:30.121
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01:06:08.942 --> 01:06:12.609
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01:06:43.855 --> 01:06:47.100
- You've seen the work
that I do with wildlife.

01:06:47.100 --> 01:06:49.979
- Yeah.
- You know how Chinese people

01:06:49.979 --> 01:06:52.050
will buy tiger products?

01:06:52.050 --> 01:06:53.153
- Yeah, that's right.

01:06:54.120 --> 01:06:55.710
- So
- Some for medication,

01:06:55.710 --> 01:06:59.160
and some for good luck
charms, some for (indistinct).

01:06:59.160 --> 01:07:00.420
- Yeah.

01:07:00.420 --> 01:07:02.550
There's only a few thousand tigers left.

01:07:02.550 --> 01:07:04.020
Like three, 4,000 tigers.

01:07:04.020 --> 01:07:06.405
- In the world?
- Yeah.

01:07:06.405 --> 01:07:07.380
- Really?
- Yeah.

01:07:07.380 --> 01:07:10.860
There's more captive
tigers than wild tigers.

01:07:10.860 --> 01:07:11.693
- [David] Oh yeah?

01:07:11.693 --> 01:07:12.526
I see.

01:07:12.526 --> 01:07:13.620
- Because there are so many farms in China

01:07:13.620 --> 01:07:14.583
and Southeast Asia.

01:07:16.713 --> 01:07:18.393
Do you take Chinese medicine?

01:07:19.620 --> 01:07:20.460
- Yeah.

01:07:20.460 --> 01:07:22.230
Rhino horn.

01:07:22.230 --> 01:07:23.430
- When?

01:07:23.430 --> 01:07:25.320
- [David] It's like 30 years ago.

01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:27.600
- [Laurel] Did you see the horn?

01:07:27.600 --> 01:07:30.093
- No. I can only see the powder.

01:07:31.470 --> 01:07:33.423
- But you ate it.
- I ate it, yeah.

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- [Laurel] Do you think it works?

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- [David] I mean, it's Chinese medicine.

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It's something that you believe or not.

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- I was talking to Mom yesterday.

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She was saying she thinks it's unfair

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how much blame the Chinese get

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for different illegal wildlife trades.

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- [David] No. Always Chinese.

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It is Chinese.

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Who else?

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- Yeah.

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- [David] Isn't it?

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(bell chiming)

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- [Zhang] Have a seat, have a seat here.

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- [Laurel] There is this
appreciation for these animals

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and how powerful they are

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and what they represent
in Chinese culture,

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but you don't have to kill
something to revere it.

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If we don't change how consumers think

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about these products, it's
going to be really hard

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to convince them to stop buying them.

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And these trades will continue.

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So, there's a lot to fight against.

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- [Laurel] It is horrifying
to see my own home

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being a driving force
behind the decimation

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of so many species around the world.

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Chinese people should be punished

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for being involved in the trade.

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But it's a difficult line
for me to toe between wanting

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to shed light on these issues

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and also to actually further
demonizing Chinese people.

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- [Laurel] If that's what people think,

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then they're never
gonna reach the Chinese.

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The more you widen these
chasms, the worse these problems

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are gonna be.

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We need to find solutions
that are culturally aware

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that can actually reach Chinese people

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and change their minds.

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- [Announcer] Today we will like

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to welcome Laurel Chor to CDNIS.

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(audience applauding)

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- Thank you.

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Good morning, everyone.

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I'm a freelance journalist,

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and I'm hoping to focus more
and more on China's impact

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on the environment.

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Who knows what these are?

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(all chattering)

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Shark's fin.

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Hong Kong is the hub for the
global shark's fin trade.

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We're the biggest consumer of shark's fin.

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Questions.

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Yeah.

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- Why do people like elephant tusks

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and other things like
shark fin soup that much?

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- I think it's cultural.

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I grew up eating shark's fin soup.

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(all gasping)

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And I found out recently

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that my parents have ivory at home too.

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(all gasping)

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So it's cul, yeah.

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It's culture.

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It's just what the people
around you tell you

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is important and valuable.

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We're not really thinking
about our impact on nature.

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And when we're not thinking about it

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There's still a lot of work to be done

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in educating the Chinese public.

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That's a really good question.

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But at the same time,

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I think there are a lot of Chinese people

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who do really care about animals

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and stopping these
illegal wildlife trades.

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And it's having a real impact.

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- China has tightened
its laws on the purchase,

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production, and selling
of endangered animals

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in a bid to crack down
on the illegal trade.

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- China has adopted a decision

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on thoroughly banning the
illegal trading of wildlifes.

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- It's a major breakthrough,

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but there will always be violators.

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Public education is highly important.

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- [Laurel] There does need to
be a stronger Chinese voice

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in all of this.

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It's important to understand the people

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that you're working with and the people

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whose behavior you're trying to change.

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If we work together and
understand each other,

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we can all make a big difference.

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