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[birds and seabirds calling]

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[acoustic guitar music]

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♪ A light is not a bulb ♪

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♪ A bird is not a plane ♪

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♪ And sometimes things get
so tangled ♪

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♪ That they need some dumb refrain ♪

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♪ Such as a light is not a bulb ♪

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♪ A bird is not a plane ♪

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♪ And if it's wet, it might be rain ♪

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[birds and seabirds calling]

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- At this time,
ladies and gentlemen,

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the governor of the state
of New Hampshire.

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[crowd applauding]

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- Thank you, Bill.

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This has to be one
of the truly great

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days in the history of the
state of New Hampshire,

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and at the very onset
I want to congratulate

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Bill Tallman and his associates
for the courage and persistence,

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yes, the foresight and wisdom,

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to push ahead with a
project that will be highly

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beneficial to the state of
New Hampshire.

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First to the electric consumers,

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certainly to the
construction workers,

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and in the long run to all
businesses here in New Hampshire,

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because it will make energy
available to us.

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[acoustic guitar music]

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♪ Energy, energy ♪

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♪ Oh my god, why can't they see ♪

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♪ They just wrap it up and
sell it like their souls ♪

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♪ When there's no more
to be stolen ♪

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♪ I think might once again
start rollin' ♪

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♪ And we'll end up where
we always thought we'd be ♪

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[acoustic guitar music]
[waves crashing]

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- We don't need a power plant
down here, and no man--

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We just don't need it.

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What Seabrook really needs
is a get their own dump back.

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Because I'll tell you one thing,
even if they put that

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power plant here,

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public service will not guarantee
that after 20, 30 years,

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that's all these things last,

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that they will tear it down,
they will dismantle it.

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They will not dismantle that plant,

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because that plant will be so
radioactive that all they'll

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do is they'll cover like a pyramid.

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That's the only thing
they can do with it.

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- In 1973, President Richard Nixon

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unveiled his Project Independence
energy program

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aimed at reducing American
oil imports.

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Nixon's plan called for 1,000
nuclear plants by the year 2000.

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By January 1977,

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67 nuclear plants had begun
operation in the US,

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and 95 more were being built.

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In addition,

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members of the nuclear club
had begun exporting reactors

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and radioactive material

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to less industrialized countries.

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By the end of 1976,
21 nations were operating

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atomic plants.

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With another 16 countries
planning reactors of their own,

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over 500 were in operation

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or being built worldwide.

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- Yes.

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- I'm very sorry to tell me for
this background but could you

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tell me the size of the plant
and exactly where it's located?

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- Seabrook project is two

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1,150 megawatt nuclear power
plants located at

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Seabrook, New Hampshire.

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- And what was your original
cost estimate on the project?

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- Well, the most recent
one prior to the

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$2 billion figure which I
mentioned was

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was... $1.6 billion.

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- Seabrook, New Hampshire is a
fishing and resort community

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on the state's short Atlantic coast.

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The town claims 5,700
permanent residents,

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but hundreds of thousands of
tourists flock to Seabrook's

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beaches in the summertime.

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The nuclear plant proposed by the

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Public Service Company of
New Hampshire

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was to be located one and a
half miles from the beaches

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on the edge of a long marshland,

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at the site of an ancient
Indian burial ground.

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[birds chirping]

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The company's original cost
estimate for the project

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was $800 million.

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- The refined estimate brought it
it up to $150 million to

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$1 billion, 350 million.

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There must be added to this the
cost of interest and escalation

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and when that is added--

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and it's the interest cost and
the timing of facilities

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that are coming in--

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it brought the cost of the
project up to the

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$2 billion figure which I mentioned.

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[dissonant ambient sounds]

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- Nuclear plants require huge
amounts of water for cooling.

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The Seabrook
proposal called for

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the construction of two
tunnels 19 feet in diameter,

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which would carry cooling water

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under Seabrook Beach and under
the ocean floor for one mile.

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At full capacity
the system would

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use 1.2 billion gallons
of water every day.

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When returned to the Atlantic,
the water would be

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39 to 43 degrees hotter.

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- My feeling about nuclear power
in general is that it is

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a machine of death and destruction,

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and therefore in particular
I'm opposed to

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the Seabrook power plant.

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I would wish that we could
find safer, cheaper ways

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of getting energy,

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and I'm sure that we can
if we put our minds to it.

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I don't like the thought of
the Seabrook plant being built

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anywhere near the population areas
that it's being proposed for.

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I think it's insane to

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be considering its construction
on the westerly of an estuary.

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I think all in all it's

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a very bad place to even think
about putting a nuclear power plant

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if one were going to put one
any place at all.

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- On July 7th 1976, the Nuclear
Regulatory Commission in an unusual

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split decision ruled to grant the
Seabrook construction licenses.

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These licenses, however, left
final approval of the cooling system

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to the Environmental
Protection Agency.

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On July 9th with the cooling system
impact still under official review,

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Public Service Company
began construction.

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- I couldn't help but recall
as I came in,

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and Norm Cullerot reminded me
how I was down here with him

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five years ago, when all there was

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was a dump and a wilderness,

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and then they were talking about
building the plant here.

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It's taken five years to arrive at
this truly great moment,

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and I hope that the next five years

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will see the plant in
full production.

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Thank you so much, Bill.

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[crowd applauding]

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- Thank you, Governor Thomson.

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- Well, they said they needed my
land to, uh, to make the circle

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for their safety zone.

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- Well he says if we don't sell
our land, "We'll bring a bulldozer."

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- We'll bring a-- yeah.

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- And I said, "I'll stand right in
front of that bulldozer.

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You bring it in."

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- He says,
"We'll bulldoze right over..."?

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- Right through the house.

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- He says,
"We'll bring a bulldozer in."

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I says, "I'll stand right in
front of that bulldozer."

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[protestors singing]

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- For many opponents of the plant,
the beginning of

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construction meant the end
of legal recourse.

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Representatives of anti-nuclear
groups from New England

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met on the sea coast to form a

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new coalition called
the Clamshell Alliance.

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They resolved to stop the
project by non-violent means,

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occupying the plant site
if necessary.

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- Today we'll be going and
we'll be breaking a law,

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but it'll be answering
the higher law.

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The time is now, the plant has
been given the okay to go ahead.

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I walked all around there last week

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and I just couldn't believe
the difference,

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how much it had changed since
the bulldozers had just come

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and they pretty much
leveled the place.

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I went fishin' with my brother
Kevin at that same site.

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It was a nice Saturday afternoon,

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we'd gone clammin' and put the
clams in the truck and swam

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across the Browns River and
looked at the rocks

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looked up at the site,
and we just kind of looked

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at each other and said,
"25 stories tall?

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They're gonna build that
thing here?"

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And we just said, you know,
we can't do it.

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We're just gonna have to stop 'em.

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So today they've started that,
and today it's our reaction.

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We gotta do it, 'cause we're locals.

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[horse hooves clopping]

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- Since the federal
government has decided,

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through the Nuclear Regulatory
Commission, has decided

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that this plant can be built,

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and since the Seabrook people
have decided that they don't want

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the plant, and that I and
many other people

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can't see any good coming
out of it, but just bad,

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then it's our duty

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by the New Hampshire constitution
to do something about it.

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[horse hooves clopping]

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- The people of Seabrook
voted back last fall

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that they didn't want the
power plant built in their town,

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and the Public Service Company

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has completely ignored that vote.

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The tradition of home rule
was lost, I mean,

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it's something that has been
part of the whole history

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of New Hampshire.

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And to think that the Public
Service Company ignored it

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angers me a great deal.

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[horse hooves clopping]

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[protestors singing]

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♪ Now is the needed time ♪

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♪ Now is the needed time ♪

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♪ Oh, now is the needed time ♪

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♪ Oh, now is the needed time ♪

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♪ Now is a needed time ♪

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[acoustic folk music]

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♪ No nukes for me ♪

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♪ 'Cause I want my air to be ♪

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♪ Free from radiation poison
fallin' over me ♪

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♪ These reactors that
they're buildin' ♪

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♪ Are giant hangin' trees ♪

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♪ Hangin' trees ♪

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♪ Hangin' trees ♪

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♪ Don't you build a hangin'
tree over me ♪

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♪ People soon will stop
this money tree ♪

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♪ And we'll stop it hangin'
people, you and me ♪

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♪ And if we struggle all together
all the powers that be ♪

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♪ Will go down with their
own hangin' tree ♪

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♪ And out of this struggle we
can plant a seedling tree ♪

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♪ A tree that let's the sunlight
share its face ♪

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♪ A tree in tune with living ♪

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- A group of people are prepared

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to go on to the site of the plant
where trees have been removed

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and replace the trees.

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Just stay put and say,

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"No, you can't, unless you
move us out of the way."

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It's prepared as a symbol and
a token of how we feel

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and what we are willing to do.

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And so everyone is asked,
please don't go with these people.

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They're prepared to do
something in their own way.

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♪ Don't you build a hangin'
tree over me ♪

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[indistinct chatter]

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♪ On the Public Service Company,
we shall not be moved ♪

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♪ On the Public Service Company,
we shall not be moved ♪

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♪ Just like a tree standing
on the water ♪

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♪ We shall not be moved ♪

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[protestor whistling]

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[indistinct chatter]

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[protestor whistling]

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- On the left hand side,
on the right is the place where

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they're making things to mix,
uh, gravel with.

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We're probably just about on
Public Service Company property.

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- Are you gonna let them?

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- No, the only permit I believe
you have is the railroad tracks.

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Anything beyond that
is private property.

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- Are you gonna let them?

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- No, I would I would abide
by the permit.

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[protestors whistling]

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- I'm Bruce Beckley,
Public Service Company.

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You're entering private property.

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Beyond this point,
you're trespassing.

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- You're on private
property right now.

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- We understand that.

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- Do you understand
why we're here?

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- You're on private property.

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- We're here to stop construction

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in this nuclear power plant,
and we know that you really

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have nothing to do with
Public Service Company

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except in your capacity for
guarding the site.

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I mean, I'm interested in how
you personally feel about

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nuclear power, because if
you're in favor of it

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then that's one thing,

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but if you're against nuclear
power then you wouldn't want

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to see us off the site at this time.

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- Can you all understand
why we're here?

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- Yes, we do.

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- Okay, see that's really
the whole point

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that we've come here.

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- Our prime purpose right now is to
make sure that nobody gets hurt.

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- Right, right.

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- We don't want any, uh...

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- All right, how long you
gonna be in here?

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- Well we're prepared to stay here
until the next rally, August 22nd.

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- Well, we can't have that.

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- We'll have to take whatever
action is necessary.

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- We're just with the group to cut
over from the nuclear power plant

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in Vernon, Vermont with a
covered wagon train,

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covered across the state
of New Hampshire.

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And the day that we left,
the headlines in the local papers

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were talking about 85,000
gallons of radioactive waste

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dumped into the Connecticut River.

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And what radiation does is it
causes bone cancer,

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it causes lung cancer,
it causes little children to be

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born deformed, you know?

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And, you know, they say they
need electricity, you know,

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but the electric demand
hasn't raised since 1973,

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and in the last 10 years
they've closed down

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25 hydroelectric plants, all right?

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So, what I'm trying to tell you
is that they're building this

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nuclear power plant for profits.

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- Well, I can say one thing.

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You've read up a lot more
on it than I have.

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And I feel everybody has
their way of livin'.

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You have yours, they have theirs.

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- But they're affecting the
way we live

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with their radiation.

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You've seen how cancer rates
are rising and rising.

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You know, each year it's
higher and higher rates.

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And it takes plutonium and radiation

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like about 30 years to
show its effect,

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and what did we do 30 years
ago but drop an atomic bomb.

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You know, and so now 30 years later

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we're really reaping the profit.

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- Ladies and gentlemen,
I'm Bruce Beckley,

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Public Service Company.

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You are on private property.

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We've offered you a spot where

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we're already savin' the trees.

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You can add to that area
if that's your true intent,

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but we're not gonna let you go
on the site and stay here tonight.

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You'll be subject to
criminal trespass charges.

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- You have to make a big hole.

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- Where are those trees
that are being saved?

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[dirt crunching]
[indistinct chatter]

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- Well, ladies and gentlemen,
it's our turn.

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- Could you wait till we're
done planting the trees?

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- ...go peacefully with us.

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These men are under arrest
for criminal trespassing.

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- So anyway, what I'm
going to say is, like--

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- Let's go.

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Let's go.

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If I have to drag you over here--

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- All right, fellas, this is it.

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Ladies and gentlemen.

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[indistinct crosstalk]

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- What I'm tryin' to tell you...

00:18:15.887 --> 00:18:18.887
[indistinct crosstalk]

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- Get up on your feet and
get outta here!

00:18:21.329 --> 00:18:24.329
[indistinct crosstalk]

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You're gonna have to leave.

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Now go ahead, leave!

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- We're not done yet.

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- Charlie, listen.

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It's your children as well as our
children that we're concerned about.

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- You've been asked to leave,
you're trespassin'!

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- Yeah, well, children come
before private property.

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- I guess it depends on...

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- I'm gonna tell you once more.

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- C'mon!

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Stow your cameras, get outta here!

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- Let's go, we ain't got
time to talk.

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- C'mon, let's go,
you wanna stand up?

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- You're goin' out one way
or another.

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[indistinct crosstalk]

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- Civil disobedience that's
one way to put it.

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I call it breaking the law.

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- Do you feel that people who are

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in disagreement over something

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that's happening but who are willing

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to take the consequences
by going to jail

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have a right to break the law?

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- No, I don't feel as if
they have, really.

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I'm not talkin' about the cause.

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I'm talkin' about what
they're doing.

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- Do you think that people have
the right to break the law

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when they're protesting something
that is this important?

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- I do, yeah.

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- Why?

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- How else are you gonna win?

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How can you get anything across?

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I mean, I don't say that
people should go out and

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break the law,

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but I think they were doin' it

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in a peaceful way.

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-  What do you feel about
their cause?

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How do you feel about the
building of the

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nuclear power plant in Seabrook?

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- That's a good question,
but I won't answer it.

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I can't answer it.

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I don't allow myself to
have feelings on it.

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- I felt fear.

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- Why?

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- Because when I think of
the atomic plan

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I think of cancer, radiation.

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And I've been terrified of it.

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I may be for, may be against,
but that's neither here nor there.

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- Well, do you think that was--

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- Nobody's heard me say,

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and I'm sure you won't hear me say,

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whether I'm for it or against it.

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- Get outta here or you'll
be arrested, too.

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[indistinct crosstalk]

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Get up!

00:21:01.520 --> 00:21:02.520
- And who are you?

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- My name's Brian Cullen.

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- We know who you are, Brian.

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Come on, now, get up.

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- Sir I don't want to make it
hard for you folks, but--

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- Get up!

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Come on.

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- No.

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[indistinct crosstalk]

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- Everybody's leavin'.

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Get that cameraman outta here.

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- Make sure your camera
stays that way, OK?

00:21:27.971 --> 00:21:28.999
Take your camera with you.

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- Are you saying we
can't shoot today?

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- You wanna be arrested, sir?

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- We're leaving!

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We're in the process of leaving,

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I just had a question I was
asking this gentleman.

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Well, he told me not to
shoot film on the way out.

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- I didn't say not to,

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I said why don't you just leave

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and take your camera with you.

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I didn't say that?

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- I'm tryin to tell you 'bout
radiation and unborn children

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'cause it causes their legs
to be deformed!

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- We're leaving!

00:21:48.682 --> 00:21:51.208
- Why is the press being
asked to leave?

00:21:51.211 --> 00:21:52.998
- I don't know, you're on private
propert ylike everybody else is.

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You know what a public utility is?

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Huh? Do you know what it is?

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- What is it?

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- It's a private company.

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- Let's move!

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- Sir, the state of Vermont is
suing Vermont Yankee for the

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approximately 83,000 gallons
of radioactive water that was

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put in the Connecticut River.

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Would you take a hard line
against the nuclear power plant

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if such things occurred in Seabrook?

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- I certainly would not take the
line that Governor Salmon and

00:22:25.281 --> 00:22:27.678
some of those in Vermont have taken,

00:22:27.682 --> 00:22:30.868
because that has done nothing
but harass and plague

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the Vermont nuclear plant.

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I would point out to you that
as far as I'm aware,

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the Yankee plant in Vernon
has met all federal requirements.

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However, the state of Vermont
has seen fit to enact

00:22:44.501 --> 00:22:46.378
more stringent requirements.

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We don't have those in
New Hampshire.

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- Are you against those more
stringent requirements?

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- I am in favor of what the federal
government has issued,

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and nothing more, and I
will continue to support the

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enforcement of the federal
regulations at that level.

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And I do not see any necessity
of creating regulations

00:23:04.361 --> 00:23:08.738
that would harass and deter
the forward movement of the

00:23:08.741 --> 00:23:11.280
nuclear age that is now upon us.

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- By 1976, the problem of storing
radioactive wastes had taken

00:23:20.061 --> 00:23:23.240
on the dimensions of a world crisis.

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Waste from a nuclear plant
can remain dangerously

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radioactive for as
long as 250,000 years,

00:23:31.321 --> 00:23:36.240
and must be stored virtually to
perfection for that entire period.

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But extensive experience
with these wastes,

00:23:40.081 --> 00:23:42.008
including the element plutonium,

00:23:42.011 --> 00:23:45.110
indicated serious problems
with storage.

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In Hanford, Washington alone, more
than 500,000 gallons were monitored

00:23:50.251 --> 00:23:53.549
seeping from ruptured steel tanks.

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The problem is particularly
terrifying because only

00:23:57.751 --> 00:23:59.708
10 pounds of plutonium is
enough to build

00:23:59.711 --> 00:24:01.650
a nuclear bomb.

00:24:02.549 --> 00:24:07.288
In 1975, India exploded a
nuclear device built with

00:24:07.291 --> 00:24:11.329
waste material diverted
from their Tarapur reactor.

00:24:11.869 --> 00:24:15.208
The proliferation of the
so-called "peaceful atom"

00:24:15.211 --> 00:24:17.390
began to take a new turn.

00:24:18.049 --> 00:24:20.867
29 new countries will be
capable of detonating a

00:24:20.871 --> 00:24:23.569
nuclear weapon by 1985.

00:24:26.724 --> 00:24:29.724
[dissonant ambient sounds]

00:24:31.879 --> 00:24:35.298
To date, no acceptable method
of storing nuclear wastes

00:24:35.301 --> 00:24:37.019
has been discovered.

00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:42.198
As a result, temporary plans
call for the stockpiling of

00:24:42.201 --> 00:24:45.539
used fuel elements at
the reactor sites.

00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:49.617
The Seabrook plant alone
would produce some 20 tons of

00:24:49.621 --> 00:24:52.579
high-level fuel waste every year.

00:24:55.220 --> 00:24:59.117
- There are no regulations
about the disposal of the

00:24:59.121 --> 00:25:00.758
federal waste at this time,

00:25:00.761 --> 00:25:04.958
and until that does occur we
are going to be supportive of

00:25:04.961 --> 00:25:06.658
the continued exploration

00:25:06.662 --> 00:25:09.357
of the federal government
into the proper disposition

00:25:09.361 --> 00:25:10.878
of that waste.

00:25:12.882 --> 00:25:15.018
- The handling of waste
is a non-problem.

00:25:15.021 --> 00:25:19.317
What we need to do is to decide how
to do it and get on with things,

00:25:19.321 --> 00:25:20.838
and this is a function of
the Congress

00:25:20.838 --> 00:25:22.241
of the United States of America.

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Excuse me, Governor.

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- Thank you, Bill.

00:25:23.942 --> 00:25:25.538
- Well, I had good luck.

00:25:25.541 --> 00:25:28.198
I had good luck,
thank God, this year.

00:25:28.950 --> 00:25:29.950
We got a good garden.

00:25:29.950 --> 00:25:31.701
We got corn, we got nice tomato.

00:25:31.701 --> 00:25:33.178
I put in a few watermelons.

00:25:33.182 --> 00:25:35.817
Well, if they put a power
plant down there,

00:25:35.821 --> 00:25:36.857
the people of Seabrook won't be,

00:25:36.861 --> 00:25:39.458
they won't be raising
no more gardens.

00:25:39.461 --> 00:25:43.518
If the people want to know
what radiation can do,

00:25:43.521 --> 00:25:47.198
all I got to do is get a few
of those people from Japan

00:25:47.201 --> 00:25:48.839
that were caught

00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:53.240
in the radiation, and
see what they look like.

00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:59.138
- I think I'll probably be long
gone before it could hurt me.

00:25:59.142 --> 00:26:01.779
But I've got children
and grandchildren,

00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:04.858
neighbors and friends.

00:26:05.410 --> 00:26:06.999
I worry about them.

00:26:07.162 --> 00:26:09.378
- We understand that the
beaches have at least

00:26:09.382 --> 00:26:11.718
100,000 people in the
summer weekends.

00:26:11.721 --> 00:26:13.278
How are you going to
accommodate for that

00:26:13.281 --> 00:26:15.738
evacuation in the
event of a meltdown?

00:26:15.741 --> 00:26:18.458
- Evacuation has been studied
and also gone into a great

00:26:18.461 --> 00:26:20.238
length during the hearings

00:26:20.241 --> 00:26:22.738
and in the licensing
board's decision.

00:26:22.741 --> 00:26:25.178
They raised the question as
to whether evacuation made

00:26:25.182 --> 00:26:26.357
any kind of sense,

00:26:26.361 --> 00:26:28.097
whether it was necessary.

00:26:28.101 --> 00:26:30.617
And while we need
to think about this,

00:26:30.621 --> 00:26:34.097
and to plan with state officials,

00:26:34.101 --> 00:26:37.158
I do not believe that this
is a problem so far as the

00:26:37.162 --> 00:26:38.357
project is concerned.

00:26:40.059 --> 00:26:44.359
[waves crashing]
[indistinct chatter]

00:27:02.999 --> 00:27:06.009
- Do you think it would be
possible to evacuate people

00:27:06.012 --> 00:27:07.399
in case of an accident?

00:27:08.990 --> 00:27:10.827
- Not very fast.

00:27:10.831 --> 00:27:14.867
I know from when we had the
report of the hurricane.

00:27:15.169 --> 00:27:21.589
Now I think they evacuated about
7,500 people from the beach,

00:27:22.009 --> 00:27:24.347
and that took, oh,
two or three hours.

00:27:24.651 --> 00:27:26.888
And if something
happened over there,

00:27:26.892 --> 00:27:28.988
we wouldn't have two or
three hours to get out.

00:27:28.991 --> 00:27:30.668
It'd have to be faster than that.

00:27:30.672 --> 00:27:33.728
- If you didn't have a power plant,

00:27:33.731 --> 00:27:37.369
or if you had a power
plant that was destroyed,

00:27:37.690 --> 00:27:40.730
and then you had to
sleep in a cold room,

00:27:41.329 --> 00:27:42.688
you'd think it
all over and say,

00:27:42.692 --> 00:27:46.190
'Where is the power plant
that we should have here?"

00:27:47.029 --> 00:27:49.567
- Do you think it would be
possible to evacuate this beach?

00:27:49.571 --> 00:27:53.250
- No, I don't think so.

00:27:54.425 --> 00:27:56.025
I don't think you coud do it.

00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:59.478
- Hopefully, I would feel that
they'd monitor the emissions

00:27:59.481 --> 00:28:02.538
so that there wouldn't be any
radioactivity in the water.

00:28:02.541 --> 00:28:04.398
I think they'd really have to be,

00:28:04.402 --> 00:28:08.400
because of the
population on the beach.

00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:11.357
- It's gonna cause a lot
of pollution, isn't it?

00:28:11.659 --> 00:28:15.779
- Do you think it's gonna be safe
for people to come and swim here?

00:28:16.139 --> 00:28:17.920
- Not if it causes pollution.

00:28:20.795 --> 00:28:23.795
[indistinct chatter]

00:28:25.669 --> 00:28:29.928
- The fellow that planned the
evacuation of Seabrook

00:28:29.932 --> 00:28:32.549
in case of an emergency

00:28:34.149 --> 00:28:38.388
said that we would all be issued,
within a five-mile radius,

00:28:38.392 --> 00:28:41.170
we would be issued capsules,

00:28:42.269 --> 00:28:46.130
because radiation hits
the thyroid first.

00:28:49.199 --> 00:28:54.169
And the head of the
Civil Defense was there

00:28:54.369 --> 00:28:58.230
and said there was no way
Seabrook could be evacuated.

00:28:59.209 --> 00:29:01.968
- And I would suggest
that we just saw sharks

00:29:01.971 --> 00:29:03.847
the other day along the coast,

00:29:03.851 --> 00:29:05.847
and we were prepared
to handle that.

00:29:05.851 --> 00:29:07.908
And if we can handle sharks,

00:29:07.912 --> 00:29:11.668
in view of all of the stories
we now hear about sharks,

00:29:11.672 --> 00:29:14.190
I'm sure we can handle
nuclear energy.

00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:24.898
- Introducing a man destined
to be the 39th president

00:29:24.902 --> 00:29:28.200
of our great republic, Jimmy Carter.

00:29:28.815 --> 00:29:31.815
[crowd applauding]

00:29:32.230 --> 00:29:33.890
- Thank you very much.

00:29:37.999 --> 00:29:38.999
Thank you very much.

00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:43.398
How many of you are
proud of our country?

00:29:43.402 --> 00:29:44.880
Raise your hand.

00:29:45.025 --> 00:29:47.025
[cheering and applause]

00:29:47.169 --> 00:29:50.067
How many of you believe that
we have a great future ahead

00:29:50.071 --> 00:29:52.150
of us in this nation?

00:29:52.750 --> 00:29:54.069
[cheering and applause]

00:29:54.069 --> 00:29:56.128
- How much of an electric
bill did you pay last year?

00:29:56.732 --> 00:29:57.732
- I paid...you mean total?

00:29:57.735 --> 00:29:58.735
- Yeah, total.

00:29:58.738 --> 00:30:00.008
- I don't know, I pay about
$15 a month.

00:30:00.011 --> 00:30:01.388
- About $15 a month? All right.

00:30:01.392 --> 00:30:04.288
I live in the north country
and I pay over $55 a month.

00:30:04.291 --> 00:30:06.288
I'm damn sick and tired of it.

00:30:06.291 --> 00:30:07.428
- Okay, well, nuclear power
is gonna raise it.

00:30:07.432 --> 00:30:09.028
- Nuclear power is not
going to raise it.

00:30:09.031 --> 00:30:11.567
That's a complete misnomer
that you are putting out.

00:30:11.571 --> 00:30:13.347
You're spreading false propaganda.

00:30:13.351 --> 00:30:15.968
You and your own type
are going right out

00:30:15.971 --> 00:30:17.908
and telling a story
that is not true,

00:30:17.912 --> 00:30:19.628
unfounded, completely baseless.

00:30:19.632 --> 00:30:22.448
- So you read what Public Service
says about rate increases.

00:30:22.451 --> 00:30:23.847
- I have been in the military,

00:30:23.851 --> 00:30:25.248
I've worked for the
federal government,

00:30:25.251 --> 00:30:28.748
I've been involved in radioactive
stuff for more than 20 years.

00:30:28.999 --> 00:30:31.448
And nobody has become
harmed by it.

00:30:31.451 --> 00:30:32.567
There have been no deaths.

00:30:32.571 --> 00:30:35.708
There have been no dangers
that have harmed anyone.

00:30:35.711 --> 00:30:36.711
- It costs the state--

00:30:36.841 --> 00:30:38.841
- Would you allow your children
to swim in a place where

00:30:38.971 --> 00:30:40.528
raw sewage is being
dumped in the river?

00:30:41.699 --> 00:30:44.048
- Would you allow your children
near a nuclear power plant?

00:30:44.051 --> 00:30:46.327
- See, all the engineers
said they would.

00:30:46.331 --> 00:30:48.999
So, you know, you can't win.

00:30:49.002 --> 00:30:50.588
They shout louder.

00:30:51.791 --> 00:30:54.087
- When I was a boy growing up,
all I had to look forward to

00:30:54.091 --> 00:30:55.208
was the atomic bomb.

00:30:55.211 --> 00:30:57.528
Now you're telling my children
all they've got to look forward to

00:30:57.531 --> 00:30:58.531
is radioactive waste.

00:30:58.531 --> 00:30:59.432
They're gonna be burned up,

00:30:59.432 --> 00:31:01.288
they're gonna die from
radioactive waste from

00:31:01.291 --> 00:31:02.748
nuclear energy!

00:31:03.950 --> 00:31:05.750
You people are sick.

00:31:09.169 --> 00:31:12.087
- Yesterday, 18 New Hampshire
citizens were arrested

00:31:12.091 --> 00:31:16.250
in a civil disobedience protest
at a nuclear power plant.

00:31:16.769 --> 00:31:18.708
15 men and 3 women.

00:31:18.711 --> 00:31:23.468
And could we please have your
comment as a nuclear engineer

00:31:23.471 --> 00:31:26.999
and as a friend of
Martin Luther King,

00:31:26.999 --> 00:31:27.799
who was into civil disobedience--

00:31:27.802 --> 00:31:28.611
- What's the question?

00:31:28.911 --> 00:31:30.948
- The relationship between
civil disobedience and

00:31:30.951 --> 00:31:32.048
nuclear power in this case.

00:31:32.051 --> 00:31:35.548
Do you think that citizens have a
right to protect their environment?

00:31:35.551 --> 00:31:39.087
- Well, I've always felt that
anybody who disagrees with

00:31:39.691 --> 00:31:42.867
the civil law in a matter
of conscience,

00:31:42.870 --> 00:31:45.841
you know, has a right openly
to express that disobedience.

00:31:45.851 --> 00:31:49.607
But at the same time,
under our societal structure,

00:31:49.611 --> 00:31:51.968
it's necessary that they
be willing to take the

00:31:51.971 --> 00:31:54.928
consequences of their disobedience.

00:31:55.230 --> 00:31:58.228
I believe that there's a place
for nuclear power in the future.

00:31:58.231 --> 00:32:00.327
It outta be minimized.

00:32:00.331 --> 00:32:01.908
It'll be a last resort.

00:32:01.912 --> 00:32:06.028
There outta be very tough
safety precautions guaranteed,

00:32:06.031 --> 00:32:08.408
I think, by the president and
other leaders in Washington,

00:32:08.412 --> 00:32:12.048
with nuclear power plants
located where people don't live,

00:32:12.051 --> 00:32:15.448
where the environment
will not be destroyed,

00:32:15.451 --> 00:32:18.048
with the reactor core
beneath the ground level

00:32:18.051 --> 00:32:21.150
where the reactor building
is tightly sealed,

00:32:21.669 --> 00:32:24.347
and where there is a
standardization of design

00:32:24.351 --> 00:32:28.488
to make sure that people can
have confidence in the safety

00:32:28.491 --> 00:32:29.648
of nuclear power plants.

00:32:29.652 --> 00:32:32.528
But certainly, I believe
that anyone has a right

00:32:32.531 --> 00:32:36.148
to express themselves very
vividly and very aggressively,

00:32:36.152 --> 00:32:38.628
but they have to be willing
to take the consequences,

00:32:38.632 --> 00:32:40.509
you know, of their demonstrations.

00:32:40.809 --> 00:32:43.809
[indistinct crosstalk]

00:32:46.109 --> 00:32:47.528
- When all other things
have been tried,

00:32:47.531 --> 00:32:48.607
that's the one thing that remains.

00:32:48.611 --> 00:32:52.069
And I think that in this
particular movement,

00:32:52.470 --> 00:32:54.128
every other avenue had
been explored.

00:32:54.132 --> 00:32:55.888
Everything else had been tried.

00:32:55.892 --> 00:32:57.829
And not until that point--

00:32:57.832 --> 00:32:59.999
This is not early in this
fight at all.

00:32:59.999 --> 00:33:00.771
It's very late.

00:33:00.771 --> 00:33:02.827
It's right at the wire.

00:33:02.831 --> 00:33:06.988
And not until that moment did
the protesters choose to take

00:33:06.991 --> 00:33:08.288
that particular avenue.

00:33:08.291 --> 00:33:12.188
And I think we know the law
says they have that right,

00:33:12.192 --> 00:33:13.928
and they've taken it.

00:33:14.230 --> 00:33:17.508
- They had a great deal of
faith in the strength of

00:33:17.511 --> 00:33:20.930
their case in the legal way.

00:33:21.649 --> 00:33:25.347
They thought that the plan
for Seabrook was so flawed

00:33:25.351 --> 00:33:28.327
that it would topple of its
own weight as long as they

00:33:28.331 --> 00:33:30.728
just went in the head
into the process.

00:33:30.731 --> 00:33:34.268
And what we saw was our
little lawyer there,

00:33:34.271 --> 00:33:36.948
that everybody was going
around scraping up dollars

00:33:36.951 --> 00:33:38.228
and bucks for,

00:33:38.231 --> 00:33:39.847
you know, and believing in this,

00:33:39.851 --> 00:33:42.107
that because he was a pretty
good man and committed,

00:33:42.111 --> 00:33:44.128
that he'd be able to do it.

00:33:44.132 --> 00:33:45.508
But on the right side of him,

00:33:45.511 --> 00:33:48.867
there was a bank of lawyers
that were getting $1,000 a day.

00:33:48.871 --> 00:33:51.867
And the three judges were
sitting up on a panel over here--

00:33:51.871 --> 00:33:54.107
not judges, but they
acted like judges--

00:33:54.111 --> 00:33:59.807
and a whole audience full of very
sharp-looking nuclear power guys.

00:33:59.811 --> 00:34:02.587
We were really outnumbered,
outflanked, outweighted,

00:34:02.591 --> 00:34:04.518
outmoneyed, out everything.

00:34:04.521 --> 00:34:10.021
They were just totally,
openly, arrogantly,

00:34:11.690 --> 00:34:16.208
unheeding of the words that the
people of New Hampshire were saying.

00:34:16.211 --> 00:34:19.999
- We had the petition around town

00:34:20.004 --> 00:34:22.954
to get the question on the ballot.

00:34:23.910 --> 00:34:27.999
And it was voted 768,

00:34:28.002 --> 00:34:33.002
no nuclear reactor in Seabrook.

00:34:35.730 --> 00:34:36.730
To 632.

00:34:36.730 --> 00:34:37.771
- Right.

00:34:37.771 --> 00:34:41.467
And the Public Service just
ignored the vote?

00:34:41.471 --> 00:34:44.807
- They ignored the vote
and said it was illegal.

00:34:44.811 --> 00:34:50.307
- The vote that occurred this last
town meeting was not a legal vote.

00:34:50.311 --> 00:34:52.447
It was merely an opinion vote.

00:34:52.451 --> 00:34:55.668
And it makes quite a difference
whether you have warned,

00:34:55.672 --> 00:34:59.367
according to the articles
of our statutes,

00:34:59.371 --> 00:35:02.208
or whether you are just
asking for an opinion.

00:35:02.211 --> 00:35:03.407
- It was on the ballot.

00:35:03.411 --> 00:35:05.367
People went there
like anybody else.

00:35:05.371 --> 00:35:06.867
You want to vote for this,
you vote for it.

00:35:06.871 --> 00:35:08.708
You don't want to vote for it,
you don't vote for it.

00:35:08.711 --> 00:35:10.088
But to me, it's legal.

00:35:10.692 --> 00:35:11.692
It's legal.

00:35:11.692 --> 00:35:13.999
If my vote is not legal on there,

00:35:15.695 --> 00:35:17.595
he's deprived me of my rights

00:35:19.190 --> 00:35:21.188
as an American citizen.

00:35:21.192 --> 00:35:25.449
And he's deprived me
of my rights to vote.

00:35:27.045 --> 00:35:29.545
[truck engine rumbling]

00:35:30.640 --> 00:35:32.938
- Where do you go from here
when you have no money?

00:35:32.942 --> 00:35:34.398
All you have are people.

00:35:34.402 --> 00:35:37.139
And that's all we have,
is one another.

00:35:37.660 --> 00:35:40.038
When home rule doesn't
prevail any longer,

00:35:40.041 --> 00:35:41.677
it's just the people then.

00:35:41.681 --> 00:35:43.097
We have to organize.

00:35:43.101 --> 00:35:48.038
- At a signal, we have to move
our chairs into the street.

00:35:48.340 --> 00:35:53.117
And then, very politely,
Kathy will ask

00:35:53.121 --> 00:35:56.177
if we can please have a
word with the governor.

00:35:56.181 --> 00:35:58.199
What else can we do?

00:35:58.640 --> 00:36:04.140
We were there as a group,
and we had a sign

00:36:04.700 --> 00:36:07.858
requesting five minutes
of the governor's time

00:36:07.862 --> 00:36:13.362
to ask him a few
questions about home rule.

00:36:14.380 --> 00:36:19.139
We're peaceful people, for now.

00:36:21.129 --> 00:36:24.129
[indistinct police radio chatter]

00:36:30.680 --> 00:36:32.217
- This is disturbing conduct.

00:36:32.221 --> 00:36:33.958
I'll arrest you this time
on riot control.

00:36:33.961 --> 00:36:36.458
I won't arrest you on simple
charges like I did the other day.

00:36:36.461 --> 00:36:38.559
Now get out of the road.

00:36:39.160 --> 00:36:41.219
- We want the governor!

00:36:42.190 --> 00:36:44.190
[indistinct crosstalk]

00:36:45.160 --> 00:36:47.360
- We want the governor!

00:36:48.080 --> 00:36:49.677
- We want the governor!

00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:52.507
We want the governor!

00:36:52.601 --> 00:36:54.559
- I don't wanna tell you again.

00:36:56.920 --> 00:36:59.018
- Why won't you talk to us?

00:36:59.621 --> 00:37:00.797
- We gotta speak to the governor.

00:37:01.999 --> 00:37:02.999
We gotta speak to the governor.

00:37:04.300 --> 00:37:05.300
- Outta the road.

00:37:05.901 --> 00:37:07.860
- Hey, take it easy.

00:37:08.390 --> 00:37:10.990
[bus engine rumbling]

00:37:13.999 --> 00:37:17.999
[crowd chanting]
No nukes! no nukes! no nukes!

00:37:20.420 --> 00:37:24.420
No nukes! no nukes! no nukes!

00:37:26.630 --> 00:37:27.999
- Outta the road, fella!

00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:28.840
This is a public road.

00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:29.999
I'll keep my hands off.

00:37:30.890 --> 00:37:31.890
You wanna go in a cruiser?

00:37:33.780 --> 00:37:37.278
I figured something in that
line was gonna happen.

00:37:37.282 --> 00:37:40.018
They didn't stand up the
road just to wave "hi" to the

00:37:40.021 --> 00:37:41.657
governor when he came by,
I'm sure.

00:37:42.061 --> 00:37:44.597
- And what did you--
what happened?

00:37:44.601 --> 00:37:46.137
Can you describe
what happened?

00:37:46.141 --> 00:37:47.717
- They just tried to block the road.

00:37:47.921 --> 00:37:49.278
- Uh-huh, what did you do?

00:37:49.282 --> 00:37:50.677
Did you order your men to...?

00:37:50.681 --> 00:37:51.818
- We moved 'em.

00:37:51.822 --> 00:37:53.538
We done the best we
could to move 'em.

00:37:53.541 --> 00:37:54.998
- What did you do?

00:37:55.001 --> 00:37:56.018
- Just moved 'em.

00:37:56.018 --> 00:37:57.021
- How did you do it?

00:37:57.021 --> 00:37:59.918
I mean, did you pick
them up or did you--?

00:37:59.922 --> 00:38:01.940
- Some of 'em we lifted.

00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:04.940
We moved 'em.

00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:07.699
- I think he's done a
pretty good job.

00:38:09.100 --> 00:38:11.300
He's put a lot of time in it.

00:38:12.640 --> 00:38:15.420
And on the whole I think
he's done a pretty good job.

00:38:16.580 --> 00:38:19.580
[bus engine idling]
[indistinct crowd noise]

00:38:29.999 --> 00:38:33.999
[crowd chanting]
No nukes! no nukes! no nukes!

00:38:42.869 --> 00:38:46.869
[heavy equipment rumbling]
[indistinct chatter]

00:39:08.539 --> 00:39:11.498
- People coming in to operate
the plant, they're gonna--

00:39:11.999 --> 00:39:14.137
They'll have to need more schools,

00:39:14.141 --> 00:39:17.778
more fire department,
more police department.

00:39:18.080 --> 00:39:20.798
And that ain't gonna be
paid by Public Service

00:39:20.802 --> 00:39:21.958
or these corporations.

00:39:21.961 --> 00:39:24.007
That's all gonna come out
of the taxpayers,

00:39:24.010 --> 00:39:25.241
the people of Seabrook!

00:39:25.241 --> 00:39:28.577
And the people of Seabrook
don't have that money to spend.

00:39:28.581 --> 00:39:31.938
The people in Seabrook,
they're not rich people.

00:39:31.942 --> 00:39:35.418
They make their living
diggin' clams,

00:39:35.922 --> 00:39:37.577
fishin' like their forefathers did.

00:39:37.581 --> 00:39:42.099
But they haven't got the big
money to pay heavy taxes.

00:39:43.705 --> 00:39:47.705
[heavy equipment rumbling]

00:40:07.310 --> 00:40:09.999
- Did you have any kind of problems
getting in when you came in?

00:40:10.002 --> 00:40:10.831
- None at all, came right in.

00:40:10.532 --> 00:40:14.750
'Course, they were sayin' a few
things, but I think maybe

00:40:15.570 --> 00:40:18.108
the dog barking hungrily
at them kept them back.

00:40:18.112 --> 00:40:20.407
- What were they saying to you?

00:40:20.628 --> 00:40:21.628
- I couldn't catch it.

00:40:21.732 --> 00:40:22.732
We went in so fast.

00:40:23.999 --> 00:40:24.999
- Thank you.

00:40:25.205 --> 00:40:26.225
- Hi, how are ya?

00:40:26.438 --> 00:40:27.638
Good to see ya.

00:40:27.999 --> 00:40:29.999
[camera shutters clicking]

00:40:30.004 --> 00:40:31.544
- You don't want it to fall off.

00:40:36.050 --> 00:40:38.407
- Unemployed people will be
coming here to take the

00:40:38.411 --> 00:40:40.788
2,000 or 3,000 construction jobs

00:40:40.791 --> 00:40:44.847
that will come into existence
if the plant is built.

00:40:44.851 --> 00:40:47.588
And after the plant is built,
they'll still be here.

00:40:47.592 --> 00:40:49.728
They will have moved
their families here,

00:40:49.731 --> 00:40:53.269
and the schools will have had
to swell to take their children.

00:40:53.750 --> 00:40:55.528
And those families
will still be here.

00:40:55.532 --> 00:40:57.967
And then they will be
the unemployed here.

00:40:57.971 --> 00:41:01.188
I think it's only going to compound
the unemployment problem.

00:41:01.192 --> 00:41:06.510
- Seabrook will have the least
adverse impact on the environment.

00:41:07.090 --> 00:41:10.867
Seabrook will contribute
greatly to establishing

00:41:10.871 --> 00:41:15.167
independence from the
importation of foreign oil.

00:41:15.769 --> 00:41:16.869
- After awhile...

00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:22.060
...this iridium they use,

00:41:23.550 --> 00:41:26.987
it will run out like oil,
coal, or anything else.

00:41:26.991 --> 00:41:29.387
Then they're gonna have to
buy from these foreign countries.

00:41:29.391 --> 00:41:31.487
When they buy from these
foreign countries,

00:41:31.491 --> 00:41:36.991
we're gonna be in the same
battle that we are today

00:41:37.710 --> 00:41:38.488
of buying oil.

00:41:38.491 --> 00:41:40.608
It'll be the same thing.

00:41:40.910 --> 00:41:43.467
The best thing there is
is either solar heat,

00:41:43.471 --> 00:41:47.009
where you don't pay nothin'
for it, or water power.

00:41:48.999 --> 00:41:51.899
- Yes sir, I've wielded many
a shovel in my lifetime.

00:41:53.829 --> 00:41:54.829
- Are we ready?

00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:00.700
- Can we hold that for
a little while?

00:42:00.710 --> 00:42:01.710
- Here we go.

00:42:05.825 --> 00:42:07.599
- Want me to dig a hole big
enough to go in?

00:42:08.999 --> 00:42:11.999
- When we're done we will put
a plate on these shovels

00:42:12.002 --> 00:42:13.999
and deliver them to your office.

00:42:14.569 --> 00:42:17.569
[indistinct chatter]

00:42:18.939 --> 00:42:22.557
- Here we've been about five years
just to get ready for this moment.

00:42:22.561 --> 00:42:25.778
And this moment five years
ago is now being realized

00:42:25.782 --> 00:42:28.607
this year in Taiwan with their
first nuclear plant.

00:42:28.621 --> 00:42:31.557
And they've got five more plants,
one every year for

00:42:31.561 --> 00:42:33.097
the next five years.

00:42:33.101 --> 00:42:37.318
So we've, in a real sense,
we've missed an opportunity,

00:42:37.322 --> 00:42:40.519
and that's why I can't
understand the protesting.

00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:42.878
- France is going nuclear.

00:42:42.882 --> 00:42:44.838
Great Britain is going nuclear.

00:42:44.842 --> 00:42:46.318
Russia is going nuclear.

00:42:46.322 --> 00:42:47.322
If we don't get on with things

00:42:47.325 --> 00:42:49.117
we're gonna be behind the pack,

00:42:49.121 --> 00:42:50.237
and we're gonna be sorry for it.

00:42:50.241 --> 00:42:52.737
- And while we have been hesitant
here in the United States

00:42:52.741 --> 00:42:55.177
to go forward with a
strong nuclear program,

00:42:55.181 --> 00:42:58.338
I would point out to you
that Japan expects to be,

00:42:58.342 --> 00:43:03.697
by the year 1982,
85% on nuclear energy.

00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:08.338
- On August 25th, 1974, the
Japanese government attempted

00:43:08.342 --> 00:43:12.960
to launch the $130 million
nuclear ship Mutsu.

00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:17.557
Many farming and fishing people
of Mutsu Bay feared radiation

00:43:17.561 --> 00:43:19.758
from the vessel's reactor.

00:43:20.060 --> 00:43:22.278
And on the morning
of its maiden voyage,

00:43:22.282 --> 00:43:26.137
300 small fishing boats
blockaded the nuclear ship

00:43:26.141 --> 00:43:29.920
while 20,000 supporters
cheered from the shore.

00:43:30.560 --> 00:43:33.077
The blockade held until a
typhoon allowed the ship

00:43:33.081 --> 00:43:34.918
to slip out of the harbor,

00:43:34.922 --> 00:43:36.737
but when its reactor was started

00:43:36.741 --> 00:43:39.217
it began leaking
radioactive steam badly

00:43:39.221 --> 00:43:41.717
and had to be shut down.

00:43:42.019 --> 00:43:44.478
For two months the Mutsu
drifted at sea,

00:43:44.481 --> 00:43:46.858
until it was allowed back into port

00:43:46.862 --> 00:43:50.538
on condition that it never
fire its reactor again.

00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:53.538
Local anti-nuclear
resistance stiffened

00:43:53.541 --> 00:43:54.958
throughout Japan,

00:43:54.961 --> 00:43:58.217
and projections for future
nuclear-generated megawatts

00:43:58.221 --> 00:44:01.719
have fallen by as much as 50%.

00:44:02.720 --> 00:44:08.057
In the spring of 1975,
some 28,000 Swiss, French

00:44:08.061 --> 00:44:12.018
and West German citizens swarmed
over a proposed nuclear site

00:44:12.021 --> 00:44:14.400
in Wiel, West Germany.

00:44:15.080 --> 00:44:18.117
Acting without violence,
the occupiers took control

00:44:18.121 --> 00:44:21.278
of the site and left
behind a skeleton force

00:44:21.282 --> 00:44:23.659
to guard against construction.

00:44:25.080 --> 00:44:30.580
In early 1977, a German court
cancelled the Wiel project.

00:44:32.060 --> 00:44:34.538
By then, confrontations
at nuclear sites

00:44:34.541 --> 00:44:37.099
had occurred throughout
the continent.

00:44:40.190 --> 00:44:43.630
- Obviously, if you took $2 billion

00:44:45.050 --> 00:44:48.508
that it would cost to build
a modern nuclear power plant,

00:44:48.512 --> 00:44:54.307
and you divided that $2 billion
into the 200,000 households

00:44:54.311 --> 00:44:57.427
that there are in the
state of New Hampshire,

00:44:57.730 --> 00:45:03.208
that is enough money to put
a solar-powered space heating

00:45:03.211 --> 00:45:08.108
system, solar-powered
domestic hot water system,

00:45:08.112 --> 00:45:12.610
and a wind-driven electric generator

00:45:13.030 --> 00:45:16.530
on every single one of
the 200,000 households.

00:45:16.910 --> 00:45:21.427
And I can't imagine what
kind of an army of carpenters

00:45:21.431 --> 00:45:26.407
and tin snippers and glazers
and plumbers and electricians

00:45:26.411 --> 00:45:29.327
and truckers and all the rest,
and salesmen and so forth,

00:45:29.331 --> 00:45:31.999
that it would take to go out

00:45:32.004 --> 00:45:35.234
and fit out these 200,000 houses.

00:45:36.470 --> 00:45:38.989
But that's where the jobs are.

00:45:40.550 --> 00:45:43.208
- As construction of the
Seabrook plant continued,

00:45:43.211 --> 00:45:47.987
the Clamshell Alliance planned
a second occupation of the site.

00:45:48.289 --> 00:45:50.447
In the days before this action,

00:45:50.451 --> 00:45:52.367
occupiers underwent special training

00:45:52.371 --> 00:45:56.349
in the techniques of non-violent
civil disobedience.

00:45:57.730 --> 00:45:59.487
- This here is private property.

00:45:59.491 --> 00:46:01.849
It belongs to the public utilities.

00:46:02.730 --> 00:46:04.528
If you try to come onto
this property,

00:46:04.532 --> 00:46:07.407
I'm gonna have to put you
all under arrest.

00:46:07.710 --> 00:46:10.128
- They later learned that the
New Hampshire State Police

00:46:10.132 --> 00:46:11.827
had practiced similar role play.

00:46:11.831 --> 00:46:13.387
- You're breakin' the law.

00:46:13.391 --> 00:46:15.927
Okay, you're on
public property.

00:46:15.931 --> 00:46:17.367
You're on private property now.

00:46:17.999 --> 00:46:19.999
- All right, folks, if you just
stand up and

00:46:19.202 --> 00:46:21.231
walk over to the wagon,

00:46:21.231 --> 00:46:23.387
you'll make it a lot
easier on all of us.

00:46:23.391 --> 00:46:24.407
- Again, role playing,

00:46:24.411 --> 00:46:27.327
which I know some of you don't care
for as much as other techniques,

00:46:27.331 --> 00:46:29.510
but it has a lot of advantages.

00:46:30.250 --> 00:46:33.550
Because if you role play
that kind of a situation,

00:46:34.210 --> 00:46:36.347
and it becomes clear that one
or two people are making

00:46:36.351 --> 00:46:37.909
all the decisions,

00:46:38.390 --> 00:46:40.168
you have time to think
about that beforehand

00:46:40.172 --> 00:46:44.427
and be sure that it's
a consensual decision

00:46:44.431 --> 00:46:47.588
and not a superimposed
decision by somebody.

00:46:47.592 --> 00:46:49.999
And training and getting very
comfortable with

00:46:49.999 --> 00:46:51.251
what you're gonna do and how
you're going to operate

00:46:51.251 --> 00:46:54.028
under every kind of
contingency that comes along.

00:46:54.032 --> 00:46:55.847
- I'm gonna give you a last chance.

00:46:55.851 --> 00:46:58.088
- Two days before the
planned occupation,

00:46:58.092 --> 00:47:00.827
Public Service Company
obtained an injunction

00:47:00.831 --> 00:47:02.588
from a state superior court

00:47:02.592 --> 00:47:05.288
restraining members of
the Clamshell Alliance

00:47:05.291 --> 00:47:08.130
from entering utility property.

00:47:09.050 --> 00:47:12.447
The move escalated possible
penalties for the occupiers

00:47:12.451 --> 00:47:14.748
to include contempt of court,

00:47:14.751 --> 00:47:17.168
but plans for the
occupation went ahead.

00:47:19.570 --> 00:47:24.570
[folk music playing]
[crowd applauding]

00:47:24.999 --> 00:47:28.999
♪ We're fighting for our freedom,
we shall not be moved ♪

00:47:29.002 --> 00:47:34.086
♪ Just like a tree that's
planted by the water ♪

00:47:34.999 --> 00:47:38.329
♪ We shall not be moved ♪

00:47:39.999 --> 00:47:42.672
- The 18 people who tried
to occupy the site

00:47:42.675 --> 00:47:45.278
of Seabrook Nuclear
Power Plant August 1st

00:47:45.282 --> 00:47:47.398
carried with them oak
and maple saplings

00:47:47.402 --> 00:47:49.438
to represent their calm persistence

00:47:49.442 --> 00:47:52.599
and deep commitment
in stopping the nuke.

00:47:52.980 --> 00:47:56.197
Today, those 18 have grown
to more than 150 people,

00:47:56.201 --> 00:47:58.758
and the calm persistence
and deep commitment

00:47:58.762 --> 00:48:00.278
has also grown.

00:48:00.999 --> 00:48:04.999
[folk music playing]
[crowd clapping]

00:48:11.882 --> 00:48:16.715
- Ever since the plains of Montague
were selected three years ago

00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:20.358
as the site for a power plant there,

00:48:20.362 --> 00:48:24.438
we have been educating
ourselves and our community

00:48:24.442 --> 00:48:28.137
about the dangers of nuclear power.

00:48:28.141 --> 00:48:30.778
And we have brought with us today

00:48:30.782 --> 00:48:33.557
oak trees from the
plains of Montague

00:48:33.561 --> 00:48:36.320
to plant here at this site.

00:48:36.999 --> 00:48:39.380
♪ Meldrim Thomson will not stop us ♪

00:48:39.383 --> 00:48:41.001
♪ We shall not be moved ♪

00:48:41.003 --> 00:48:43.999
♪ Meldrim Thomson will not stop us ♪

00:48:44.002 --> 00:48:45.620
♪ We shall not be moved ♪

00:48:45.699 --> 00:48:47.999
♪ Just like a tree... ♪

00:48:48.004 --> 00:48:51.038
- Nuclear power knows no
political boundaries.

00:48:51.041 --> 00:48:53.717
It also knows no time boundaries.

00:48:53.721 --> 00:48:55.717
So we're here for those
reasons, too.

00:48:55.721 --> 00:48:57.478
To stop it in our own state,

00:48:57.481 --> 00:48:59.260
stop it in New Hampshire,

00:48:59.580 --> 00:49:00.978
stop it in New England,

00:49:00.981 --> 00:49:02.818
stop it all over the world.

00:49:02.999 --> 00:49:05.258
- And this is a petition
for injunction

00:49:05.262 --> 00:49:06.999
of properties incorporated by

00:49:07.002 --> 00:49:08.078
Public Service Companies
of New Hampshire

00:49:09.082 --> 00:49:12.699
versus Guy Chichester,
Jeff Brummer, Robin Read,

00:49:12.782 --> 00:49:14.838
and other persons
or groups of persons

00:49:14.842 --> 00:49:16.077
whose names are unknown

00:49:16.081 --> 00:49:18.737
who, operating as the
Clamshell Alliance,

00:49:18.741 --> 00:49:20.498
plan to occupy the property

00:49:20.501 --> 00:49:22.258
as a form of direct action

00:49:22.262 --> 00:49:25.298
to stop TSCO from
starting construction

00:49:25.302 --> 00:49:28.777
on the nuclear--
Sseabrook Nuclear Station.

00:49:29.080 --> 00:49:31.760
- Can you tell us why you have
a fence across the rail line?

00:49:32.940 --> 00:49:34.637
- You should be really
talking to Public Service.

00:49:34.641 --> 00:49:37.177
I'm not even here as
far as I'm concerned.

00:49:37.181 --> 00:49:39.258
Public Service asked me to be here.

00:49:39.262 --> 00:49:42.737
- I think you should ask the
law enforcement people that.

00:49:42.741 --> 00:49:44.318
- What's your name, sir?

00:49:44.322 --> 00:49:46.358
- Frank Chance,
Public Service Company.

00:49:46.362 --> 00:49:48.938
- I'm gonna remove anybody
from this site

00:49:48.942 --> 00:49:53.039
that I'm asked to remove
by Public Service, okay?

00:49:53.860 --> 00:49:56.899
[folk music playing]

00:49:56.999 --> 00:50:00.510
♪ Public Service will not stop us,
we shall not be moved ♪

00:50:01.899 --> 00:50:06.999
♪ Just like a tree that's
planted by the water ♪

00:50:07.003 --> 00:50:11.003
♪ We shall not be moved ♪

00:50:13.592 --> 00:50:18.592
[folk music and singing continues]

00:50:31.176 --> 00:50:33.585
[cheering and applauding]

00:50:33.586 --> 00:50:36.006
- Ahó kage'ha.

00:50:36.180 --> 00:50:38.958
In my native tongue of the Omahas,

00:50:39.260 --> 00:50:41.579
this is, "Hello, friends."

00:50:42.620 --> 00:50:44.318
You know, when you first
came to our shores here

00:50:44.322 --> 00:50:47.119
to this great country of ours,

00:50:47.580 --> 00:50:49.217
we gave you a seat in our council.

00:50:49.221 --> 00:50:51.398
We tried to tell you these things,
and you wouldn't listen.

00:50:53.999 --> 00:50:56.498
Now, hundreds of years later,

00:50:56.501 --> 00:50:58.518
you see it's like a raindrop,

00:50:58.521 --> 00:51:01.239
you know, it finally sinks in.

00:51:01.660 --> 00:51:04.498
I think we have reached
the scientific age

00:51:04.501 --> 00:51:06.780
and the technological age.

00:51:07.420 --> 00:51:08.898
All that we need now

00:51:08.902 --> 00:51:12.360
is to try to improve the
qualities of it,

00:51:13.260 --> 00:51:18.760
otherwise lest we
destroy our own people.

00:51:19.539 --> 00:51:21.400
Destroy nations.

00:51:28.730 --> 00:51:29.887
- Good morning.

00:51:30.190 --> 00:51:34.608
- We're here to discuss
last Thursday's decision

00:51:34.612 --> 00:51:38.407
by an Atomic Safety and
Licensing Appeal Board

00:51:38.411 --> 00:51:43.690
to suspend the Seabrook
construction permits.

00:51:44.030 --> 00:51:47.108
I will have a few remarks...

00:51:47.112 --> 00:51:50.048
- On September 30th, 1976,

00:51:50.350 --> 00:51:51.788
an appeal board within the NRC

00:51:51.791 --> 00:51:55.208
ordered Public Service to
halt construction on Seabrook

00:51:55.211 --> 00:51:57.708
until questions concerning
the storage

00:51:57.711 --> 00:52:00.730
of radioactive waste were resolved.

00:52:01.850 --> 00:52:04.668
Military high-level waste
in this country

00:52:04.672 --> 00:52:08.907
is 700 times greater
than is waste

00:52:08.911 --> 00:52:13.487
from commercial atomic
power-generating facilities.

00:52:13.491 --> 00:52:15.068
In other words, with the plants

00:52:15.072 --> 00:52:16.387
that are scheduled to come in

00:52:16.391 --> 00:52:19.168
between now and the year 2000,

00:52:19.172 --> 00:52:20.668
commercial high-level waste

00:52:20.672 --> 00:52:24.248
will only be about 3%
of the military waste

00:52:24.251 --> 00:52:27.728
at that time in the year 2000.

00:52:28.030 --> 00:52:29.728
- If you haven't already heard,

00:52:29.731 --> 00:52:31.887
it's still going on here today.

00:52:31.891 --> 00:52:34.208
The slaughter, the lies,

00:52:34.211 --> 00:52:35.568
and our elders tell us, you know,

00:52:36.272 --> 00:52:37.887
that evil has many tools

00:52:37.891 --> 00:52:40.548
but a lie is the handle
that fits them all.

00:52:40.552 --> 00:52:42.999
They came into our village,
burned it to the ground,

00:52:43.002 --> 00:52:44.291
raped our women
and killed our children,

00:52:44.291 --> 00:52:45.887
and call us savage?

00:52:46.190 --> 00:52:47.347
And after your Watergate,

00:52:47.351 --> 00:52:49.447
I think we all know
who the savages are.

00:52:49.451 --> 00:52:52.088
So we are supporting you,
we are behind you

00:52:52.092 --> 00:52:54.608
because you are protecting
our Mother Earth.

00:52:54.612 --> 00:52:57.028
And it's like the great
Chief Tecumseh said

00:52:57.032 --> 00:52:58.088
to the government,

00:52:58.092 --> 00:52:59.907
not believing that the white man

00:52:59.911 --> 00:53:03.628
could really think we could
buy our Mother Earth.

00:53:03.632 --> 00:53:05.168
He said, "How can I sell you
my mother's body?

00:53:05.168 --> 00:53:06.072
How about a cloud?

00:53:06.072 --> 00:53:08.050
Can I sell you a cloud?"

00:53:10.725 --> 00:53:15.725
[protestors singing]
[indistinct police announcement]

00:53:23.563 --> 00:53:27.563
[protestors cheering]

00:53:43.282 --> 00:53:47.482
[indistinct crosstalk]

00:53:56.241 --> 00:54:00.441
[protestors cheering]

00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:07.398
- Since Wyhl is an outstanding

00:54:07.402 --> 00:54:08.778
and the first example

00:54:08.782 --> 00:54:11.318
of a successful occupation,

00:54:11.322 --> 00:54:13.338
I'd like to give you some ideas

00:54:13.342 --> 00:54:16.239
how it all came up in Wyhl.

00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:17.898
It seems to me

00:54:17.902 --> 00:54:20.038
that Wyhl is most likely

00:54:20.041 --> 00:54:22.958
to the situation here in Seabrook.

00:54:22.961 --> 00:54:24.998
It's a small town

00:54:25.001 --> 00:54:27.418
on the upper Rhine Valley,

00:54:27.720 --> 00:54:28.818
and most people are living

00:54:28.822 --> 00:54:32.097
from farming, fishing, and tourism.

00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:33.677
And most people over there

00:54:33.681 --> 00:54:35.538
thought that a
nuclear power station

00:54:35.541 --> 00:54:37.577
is not good for farming,
not for fishing,

00:54:37.581 --> 00:54:39.679
and not for tourism.

00:54:40.100 --> 00:54:41.237
The government accused

00:54:41.241 --> 00:54:42.798
all the anti-nuclear people

00:54:42.802 --> 00:54:45.778
to be radical, criminal,

00:54:45.782 --> 00:54:47.418
and being communists.

00:54:47.422 --> 00:54:50.137
This made these people really angry

00:54:50.141 --> 00:54:53.378
because old,
60-year-old farmers,

00:54:53.382 --> 00:54:56.018
which are normally
quite conservative,

00:54:56.320 --> 00:54:58.838
they couldn't understand
what is criminal

00:54:58.842 --> 00:55:02.737
if somebody is protecting
his environment.

00:55:03.441 --> 00:55:06.741
[protestors cheering]

00:55:09.541 --> 00:55:10.541
- We were asked to come

00:55:10.545 --> 00:55:12.060
and respond to this matter,

00:55:12.072 --> 00:55:14.788
and we did so.

00:55:14.791 --> 00:55:16.728
I've been a police officer
for many years,

00:55:16.731 --> 00:55:19.929
and ours is a job of
law enforcement.

00:55:20.269 --> 00:55:21.427
And when laws
are being broken

00:55:21.431 --> 00:55:23.487
then it's our duty to
respond accordingly.

00:55:23.491 --> 00:55:24.728
- Would you answer a
personal question

00:55:24.731 --> 00:55:27.349
about how you feel
about the nuclear plant?

00:55:27.710 --> 00:55:29.148
- I don't really believe
that's relevant

00:55:29.152 --> 00:55:31.670
to why we're here today.

00:55:32.510 --> 00:55:33.467
- It's a human question.

00:55:33.471 --> 00:55:34.628
There comes a time when,
you know...

00:55:34.632 --> 00:55:35.987
- True, but today I'd be speaking

00:55:35.991 --> 00:55:38.688
as a professional and
responsible person

00:55:38.692 --> 00:55:39.728
representing the state police,

00:55:39.731 --> 00:55:42.369
and I would choose not
to answer that question.

00:55:43.004 --> 00:55:47.004
[protestors chanting]

00:55:50.011 --> 00:55:53.011
[indistinct crosstalk]

00:55:57.019 --> 00:56:00.197
- I would hate to think that
those protests

00:56:00.201 --> 00:56:02.358
influenced the decisions.

00:56:02.660 --> 00:56:03.858
We still have in this country

00:56:03.862 --> 00:56:06.117
a government of laws.

00:56:06.121 --> 00:56:07.998
And when the time arrives

00:56:08.001 --> 00:56:10.899
that we do not have a
government of laws

00:56:10.902 --> 00:56:11.701
I'd like to know it,

00:56:11.703 --> 00:56:13.217
because I'd like to head promptly

00:56:13.221 --> 00:56:15.199
for the South Seas.

00:56:15.900 --> 00:56:16.998
With a government of laws,

00:56:17.001 --> 00:56:18.001
I would hate to think--

00:56:18.004 --> 00:56:22.217
I don't believe that that
appeal board

00:56:22.221 --> 00:56:24.838
was influenced by mob protests

00:56:24.842 --> 00:56:26.077
which in my opinion

00:56:26.081 --> 00:56:28.258
are grossly irresponsible

00:56:28.262 --> 00:56:30.717
and they're holding up something

00:56:30.721 --> 00:56:32.057
which is in the best interest

00:56:32.061 --> 00:56:35.958
and desired by the large
majority of people,

00:56:35.961 --> 00:56:39.278
by a large majority of
the electric rate payers

00:56:39.282 --> 00:56:40.978
in the state of New Hampshire.

00:56:40.981 --> 00:56:42.737
And no, I do not believe

00:56:42.741 --> 00:56:45.938
that the protesters had any impact

00:56:45.942 --> 00:56:48.117
on the decision,

00:56:48.121 --> 00:56:50.538
and actions of the protesters

00:56:50.541 --> 00:56:53.358
will not have any impact
on the decisions

00:56:53.362 --> 00:56:55.637
which we make--

00:56:55.641 --> 00:56:57.077
we, the company management--

00:56:57.081 --> 00:57:01.397
as we seek to to carry out
our responsibilities.

00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:06.258
- In the fall of 1976,

00:57:06.262 --> 00:57:08.418
the Environmental Protection Agency

00:57:08.422 --> 00:57:10.418
rejected the cooling system plans

00:57:10.422 --> 00:57:12.258
for Seabrook Station,

00:57:12.262 --> 00:57:15.900
citing significant damage
to ocean life.

00:57:17.205 --> 00:57:20.205
[airplane propellors whirring]

00:57:21.230 --> 00:57:24.264
Despite this apparent roadblock,
Public Service Company

00:57:24.271 --> 00:57:27.429
continued excavation
and construction.

00:57:41.405 --> 00:57:45.405
[protestors singing]

00:57:45.380 --> 00:57:48.358
On April 30th, 1977,

00:57:48.660 --> 00:57:51.018
more than 2,000 Clamshell
Alliance members

00:57:51.021 --> 00:57:52.677
marched onto the nuclear site

00:57:52.681 --> 00:57:55.219
along four different routes.

00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:04.358
The occupiers,

00:58:04.362 --> 00:58:06.657
trained in non-violent
resistance,

00:58:06.661 --> 00:58:07.758
again vowed to stay

00:58:07.762 --> 00:58:10.920
until the project was
permanently halted.

00:58:12.999 --> 00:58:16.999
[protestors cheering]

00:58:29.550 --> 00:58:31.999
This third occupation brought
the total number of

00:58:32.003 --> 00:58:35.279
arrests at the Seabrook site
to more than 1,600.

00:58:36.220 --> 00:58:40.220
[protestors clapping and chanting]

00:58:41.590 --> 00:58:44.809
[acoustic folk music]

00:58:44.814 --> 00:58:48.085
♪ They put us in your cities ♪

00:58:51.999 --> 00:58:56.999
♪ Relocation, exploitation,
extermination ♪

00:58:58.680 --> 00:59:03.680
[acoustic folk music]

00:59:24.999 --> 00:59:27.820
♪ They took us from our
homeland, friends ♪

00:59:28.999 --> 00:59:32.490
♪ But we're going back home again ♪

00:59:32.999 --> 00:59:37.999
[acoustic folk music]

00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:48.280
[acoustic folk music]

01:00:00.999 --> 01:00:03.999
[crowd applauding]

01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:12.137
- New Hampshire's a
beautiful state.

01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:13.798
We have beautiful water,

01:00:13.802 --> 01:00:15.338
we have beautiful air.

01:00:15.342 --> 01:00:19.438
We got nice people here.

01:00:19.442 --> 01:00:22.657
The people are so
sociable and everything.

01:00:22.661 --> 01:00:26.400
But we really don't need
a monster like that.

01:00:28.580 --> 01:00:30.519
I may be small,

01:00:30.980 --> 01:00:33.840
but I don't back down.

01:00:34.999 --> 01:00:37.699
♪ There is a price that
you must pay ♪

01:00:37.702 --> 01:00:39.880
♪ At least that's always
what they say ♪

01:00:39.885 --> 01:00:43.080
♪ In this world of dog-eat-dog
that you may fight ♪

01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:46.480
♪ And they can't tell you
why it's so ♪

01:00:46.483 --> 01:00:48.199
♪ But to watch their
bankrolls grow ♪

01:00:48.202 --> 01:00:52.360
♪ Must be costly when they
find out what they know ♪

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[acoustic guitar music]

01:01:02.420 --> 01:01:04.002
♪ Energy, energy ♪

01:01:04.005 --> 01:01:06.538
♪ Oh my God, why can't they see?

01:01:06.541 --> 01:01:07.737
♪ They just wrap it up ♪

01:01:07.741 --> 01:01:10.657
♪ To sell it like their souls ♪

01:01:10.661 --> 01:01:13.097
♪ Well, it's not that you
don't need it ♪

01:01:13.101 --> 01:01:15.137
♪ Just perhaps one should
not breathe ♪

01:01:15.141 --> 01:01:19.509
♪ With a dollar sign instead
of an umbilical cord ♪

01:01:20.420 --> 01:01:22.517
♪ Light is not a bulb, no ♪

01:01:22.521 --> 01:01:24.578
♪ A bird is not a plane, no ♪

01:01:24.582 --> 01:01:26.458
♪ Sometimes things get so tangled ♪

01:01:26.461 --> 01:01:28.677
♪ That they need some dumb refrain ♪

01:01:28.681 --> 01:01:31.298
♪ Such as a light is not a bulb ♪

01:01:31.302 --> 01:01:33.318
♪ And a bird is not a plane ♪

01:01:33.322 --> 01:01:37.460
♪ If it's wet, I hope it's rain ♪