Libby, Montana

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In the small, blue collar community of Libby, Montana, hard working men and women have fallen victim to the worse case of toxic exposure in recorded U.S. history. When W.R. Grace came to Libby, the citizens welcomed them with open arms. It seemed that a corporation had finally taken notice of this iconic American town, and was prepared to invest in its honest workers and valuable resources. But then something went horribly wrong.

Now, the citizens of Libby, Montana have finally found the courage to stand up to W.R. Grace, and attempt to hold the corporation accountable for their alleged transgressions.

“Definitely deserves Oscar consideration.” Illinois Times

“Eschewing rhetoric, hysteria, or commentary, the filmmakers employ a form of direct cinema that in its restraint and layering of details has a cumulative power.” Milton Tabbot, IFP/New York

“The filmmakers’ impressionistic, elegiac approach is often suited to the report’s large ironies.” New York Times

“If the political pressure to prosecute Grace’s executives to the full extent of the law persists, it will be due in part to this deeply moving film. Many critics have praised the ‘objectivity’ of filmmakers Doug Hawes-Davis and Drury Gunn Carr; what they mean is that the directors let the headlines, residents, and Lovick tell the story. This time-tested documentary technique seems fresh in the wake of last year’s much-more-publicized and vocally political Fahrenheit 9/11, but at its root is the recognition that LIBBY, MONTANA isn’t a red-state or blue-state story. It is a story about American democracy and American capitalism, and the battle that must constantly be waged to keep the latter from consuming the former.” San Antonio Current

“Richly rewarding.” Bozeman Daily Chronicle

“As the patient, perceptive LIBBY, MONTANA opens, the town seems set off in a nostalgic haze, a natural splendor indicated by snowy vistas, gamboling dogs, and big blue skies. Though it tracks a horrific and extended saga, Libby, Montana maintains a sense of intimacy…with focus on diurnal details and conceptual ambiguities, probing questions rather than reductionist oppositions of good and evil.” PopMatters.com

“Among the observers to arrive in 2000 were Drury Gunn Carr and Doug Hawes-Davis of High Plains Films. But unlike many journalists, Carr and Hawes-Davis hung around, letting their cameras capture the tales of years of secrets and lies.” Missoula Independent

“Incisive and unrelenting.” Mother Jones

“Equal parts mystery, horror film, black comedy, corporate indictment and human tragedy Libby, Montana is expertly compiled and genuinely compassionate when addressing the people involved. The film pulsates with urgency and commitment, and manages splendidly without the abrasive finger-pointing and knee-jerk aggression that has marred reportage in our age of so-called reality television.” flickhead.com

“Tells the story of the contamination of Libby, Montana, location of what the Environmental Protection Agency has called ‘the worst case of industrial poisoning of a whole community in American history.’” USA Today

“Tonight’s Must-See: A jolting story of a conservative town that once distrusted big government and now needs it.” Gannett News Service

“Emotionally powerful. Intense.” Willamette Week

“**** Touching.” filmcritic.com

“Powerful.” Newwest.net

“Illuminating.” Salon.com

“For seventy years Libby was home to a large vermiculite mine. The ore was later found to contain asbestos and eventually the mine was shutdown in 1990. But that’s just the beginning.” California Gazette

“Thoughtful and wrenching.” Portland Mercury

“With an artful interweaving of the town’s economic history and the life (and death) stories of various individuals, the film picks up a compelling rhythm, inexorably pulling you along. LIBBY, MONTANA is a big film about a big problem, well balanced and well told.” Montana Magazine

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Carr, Drury Gunn (film director)
Carr, Drury Gunn (film producer)
Carr, Drury Gunn (editor of moving image work)
Hawes-Davis, Doug (film director)
Hawes-Davis, Doug (film producer)
Hawes-Davis, Doug (editor of moving image work)

Other credits

Camera & sound, Drury Gunn Carr & Doug Hawes-Davis; original score, Ned Mudd.

MARC Record See Worldcat record

Keywords

; "Libby, Montana"; Docuseek; asbestos; montana; corporations; toxic; W.R. Grace; vermiculite; zonolite; Environmental Protection Agency; EPA; industrial poisoning; toxicity; mining; Mesothelioma; cancer; lung disease; superfund; Montana; American West; Bullfrog Films; ,doc,env; history; science

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about a billion years or so ago when

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time was young our earth was a lonely

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barren world no birdsong broke the

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stillness the wind cried

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the storm spoke and within the earth

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violent forces were at work preparing

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for time to come molten rock spewed

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upward in time the molten rock in these

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crevices cooled and hardened then the

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hardened rock itself was beset by

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further disturbances that often left it

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heavily fissure and in so doing formed

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the most unusual and useful mineral

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fiber known to man largely unseen seldom

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recognized it has played a tremendously

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important role in the improvement of our

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standard of living

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as you might expect the Greeks had a

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name for it they called it the

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unquenchable indestructible stone

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growing up here I thought his best place

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in the world out of the rat race that

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kissed anytime there was something to do

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or something had to be done all the

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people maybe would pitch in and do it

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get the job done deep okay that goes

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next to her husband wherever that is

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oh well and got that far Libby has been

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isolated for so long they have accepted

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the isolation that we have

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as as a comfort zone this is Libby

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Montana and things don\'t happen in let

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me know that\'s the ones we want

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that\'s hail that\'s Pete you want to go

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if you couldn\'t read this in black and

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white you couldn\'t believe it it\'s a

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science fiction story

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well dear zanuck this is short because

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he\'s got soft ground and he\'s something

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I have this perception that if you tell

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12 people those 12 people go out till 12

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more for some reason this story is so

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sad or so phenomenal that even even

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jurors leaving a courtroom go out and

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they are afraid to mention it because

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nobody is going to believe it was like

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you know this is the most horrific story

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I\'ve ever heard in my life those people

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are completely crazy it couldn\'t have

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happened it should have been never

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allowed to have been able to have him

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you spend your life trying to protect

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your family and you can\'t protect them

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from something that you can see

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this is the beginning from the forests

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of the Great Northwest from a small

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western Montana town named Libby that\'s

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what this film is about Libby Montana is

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located in the upper northwest corner of

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the state early explorers referred to it

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as the land of the shining mountains the

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town itself is on highway to a major

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cross state transportation route and

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adjacent to the Kootenai River which

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flows down out of Canada through the

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Kootenai Valley along the edge of the

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great Continental Divide the country

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around Libya spectacular backpackers

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anglers and hunters paradise consisting

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of rich rolling forests of western larch

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ponderosa pine and Douglas fir each of

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these species Libby grew up thinking

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that it was different

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the community in the peoples living knew

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who they were and they knew where they

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were going

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people in this community have always

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worked hard I mean it\'s that\'s their

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livelihood and that\'s as their heritage

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and they\'ve always done that it\'s a hard

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life up here we are relatively isolated

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it\'s always been a hard way of life but

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it\'s a way of life that we all

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understand

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in those days I mean I guess we believed

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in in everybody a man\'s word with some

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ants were duh deals were made on a

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handshake I think the family was the

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number one priority they would do

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anything to support their families it

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was just a really a wonderful small very

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typical small town like of course the

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first real settlers that stayed here

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we\'re probably the loggers prayer that

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the fur traders you know would move on

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just soon as they exhausted to the fur

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in an area it\'s just the classic example

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it happened throughout the West

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overcutting

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in the Great Lakes region and over

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harvesting there and the realization

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that the resource was was being depleted

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they knew there were no more frontiers

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in the lumbering attic industry so they

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wanted to make it work in Libby men went

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out every day and took the risk of being

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hurt or maimed or injured or killed they

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employed up to 2,000 people in that

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industry the mine was a little sideline

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that had maybe 150 people we had a

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couple hundred two mine fire service was

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going big school was going big we had

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the dam going here really at first a

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little community

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and a good afternoon while these guys

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working their way towards very cloudy

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skies outside warm temperatures will say

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more about what we can expect out of

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those clouds and one with RC 400 a

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weekend in a few minutes we\'ll be back

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and tell you what\'s going on outside

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with those clouds and we\'re gonna see

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any arcs of sparks tonight we\'ll be back

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with that right after this Libya is a

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lot like now like a lot of towns were 10

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20 years ago even though at the same

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time we\'re progressing we have cable TV

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and everything you want it\'s a good

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place to grow up I guess I love the

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mountains that\'s what I usually do is go

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hunting fishing and stuff that\'s about

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it\'s about all there is to do here

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we like to call it the Queen City of the

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Kootenay

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because you know Kootenay is a strange

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word Kootenai River is the only river in

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the United States or in the world I know

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of that the spelling changes a minute

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that goes across the border and spelled

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the KO o te nai here and na Y in Canada

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don\'t ask me why this I\'ll head us down

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the road here

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this is mineral Avenue or the main drag

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of Libby Montana

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social clubs REM VFW Eagles American

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Legion and your other fraternal

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organizations but a real nice

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Alma nice maybe is not the word but

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efficient well-run police department and

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these guys are probably some of the best

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cops are best policemen in the United

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States and right in this area here and

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wouldn\'t notice it now but it\'s where we

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had our big water fight for water days

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last night which was an annual event and

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allows grown men to act like little boys

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and of course I think we all enjoyed

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them too man

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I\'m in Libby because I\'m led by the

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spirits

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many people will understand exactly what

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that means that means when they hear it

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a truck just bot just came by and

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flipped me the bird it\'s happened to me

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many times in this town and my reply to

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that is this

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some going up some going down

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when we reach into Sunday mostly cloudy

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cooler a continued chance of afternoon

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and evening showers and thunderstorms

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for K LCB news I\'m Dwane Williams thanks

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for joining us this afternoon

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join us again the Monday morning in the

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meantime have a great loggers day you

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want to make sure that you don\'t turn

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off and go to the Yaak nothing wrong

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with yak but it\'s quite a trip up there

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and you won\'t get you the water days

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Jack is an interesting little town it\'s

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the two or three homes a store and the

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place called The Dirty Shame saloon and

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there\'s quite a story as to how that

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that came to be but we won\'t go into

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that right now here\'s our Park the sight

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of Libby lager days every year in the

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second week in July

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people connected with logging people who

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have nothing to do with logging but just

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enjoy some of the sights and sounds and

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some of the activities that take place

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here show up for logger days

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there we go

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do three bucks

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did you forget I guess we\'re

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good-looking doing down there Vic and

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Bill we\'re Bilbo this gentleman told me

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his turn seven years old we don\'t have

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anything in his life

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except for this

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okay

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I love Libby but the people in Libby I

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don\'t like them everybody\'s just so dang

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uptight they\'ve been living this way for

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50 years and their grandpa did it and

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they put their boots under the same lamp

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every night and if they\'re moved oh boy

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they don\'t like change I guess I could

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say like new people coming in everybody

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will give him a hard time you know like

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they hate environmentalists and stuff

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you know but I mean I mean I see their

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point yeah because you know I\'ve worked

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logging and stuff too but but they have

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a good point too I mean you can\'t just

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go around cutting down the whole goddamn

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florist

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no cuz like it\'s gonna be gone you know

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that we need people like that to step up

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and say hey you know we shouldn\'t be

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doing that or whatever but then again we

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need to cut trees down so you can wipe

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your ass too I mean I know people elidio

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just real bullheaded and but just a

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small town and everybody I call it the

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committee because it looks um one night

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and the next day the whole damn town

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knows everybody knows your every second

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of your whole life lived in Libby

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everybody knows everything about you

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what you do when you do it where are you

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going who you\'re with you I just don\'t

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like that I like to keep to myself and

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be mysterious I don\'t like people

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knowing where I\'m doing everything

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stuff you know what really is that I

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really do not like about this town is

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the police force I mean that they gotta

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have something to do besides mess with

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teenagers I mean I\'m not a teenager

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anymore I don\'t go cruise the gut all

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night like I used to but I did do that

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and they were trying to make a law or a

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rule to where teenagers couldn\'t drive

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down the gut what else is there to do in

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this town

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I check one two

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Dakotah only gotta be there for about a

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week

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the first night I was here he got 14

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below zero and my car was no in her eyes

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there froze the blocks up and cracked it

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so I was stuck urine and about late

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junus when I met Morita and her and I

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started running around together and

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incidentally she is from South Dakota so

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we had a little bit in common there

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besides I had a heck of a crush on her

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and so we dated for a while finally we

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got married and 55 in 1955

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but I always liked them there was a

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place that I felt that I could live here

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if I couldn\'t live anywhere else

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you don\'t have to be crazy to do this

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kind of thing but it helps a lot that

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this music business has always been

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taking the day off a little smarter no

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there never has been any money and if we

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just do it for the fun of it it\'s

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something that I\'ll carry with me there

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right to the end of my place

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I\'ve enjoyed

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I had in this notion and I was going to

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be a cowboy you know because I did a lot

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of that in North Dakota

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when I was a kid I found out that I

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couldn\'t raise a family on a Cowboys

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wages and by this time we had a our

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little stouter so I heard that\'s all the

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light was looking for some men and I

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went up did on light my family came to

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this area in 1945 and they fell in love

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with us this area I said dad ended up

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going to work for the lumber mill for a

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while and in 1954 he went to work for

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their zoning light company at that point

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he felt like he\'d probably fulfilled his

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life\'s dream

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I was raised in Iowa for him and I

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always wanted to go back to that and so

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this was my opportunity so I retired to

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this here gave me the ball well this is

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a this is where mr. Ali lived he\'s the

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man that discovered her development zone

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light and had the original patent on his

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own late mountain as I understand it he

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was a mining engineer that came here and

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was prospecting for other minerals and

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he saw this this amazing stuff and he

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developed it into all these products and

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out in the area where those cows early

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I\'m just the sight of it there\'s an old

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foundation out there all the way around

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that foundation there\'s just big huge

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gobs of this this vermiculite the ore

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and the and the the product which is

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called zone light

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this is the the mining operation itself

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this is a volcanic intrusive right it\'s

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all Precambrian 10 math geologists but

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it\'s much a bit very much older right

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ridgelines are rounded right and this is

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like either tertiary volcanic and true

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so what it\'s a twenty-five twenty-six

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million years or something like that

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right

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new geologists all lie about that you

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don\'t really know we start mining for

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vermiculite in 1919 and it\'s 80% of the

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world\'s vermiculite production for about

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70 years I mean it\'s a big deal you know

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there\'s a three hundred thousand tons of

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cool concentrates leaving Aurea yearly

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I\'ll now go ahead and try

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take your Alicia Reagan usami\'s for

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the testimony you\'re about to give in

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this manner be the truth the whole truth

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but I think that there is that like that

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I do

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how would you state your name for the

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record

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my name is earl dia Lubbock how long

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have you lived in Libya well I\'ve lived

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there now since 1948

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what is vermiculite it took my Kisch is

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mineral which is found near live in

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Montana among other places it opens up

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like it causes it to to expand or

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exfoliate is molecular water and in

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pages in a book which are made up of a

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lot of sheets which is what vermiculite

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is the water between those sheets forms

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to steam and it expands and it increases

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in size in only one direction rather

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than rather than overall is there

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essentially a mountain of it near Libby

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well there\'s a mountain that contains a

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good deal of it it would not be true to

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say to if there was a model of

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vermiculite

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when the mine was operating this basic

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script line operation they took the

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material basically they had a mountain

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and they were skinning the outside of

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with it for Mickey I know everybody was

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up with the mine they milled it they

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took it they sort of broke up the rock

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screened out the overburden or stuff

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that wasn\'t vermiculite and produced

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what they call concentrate that

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vermiculite that they milled up there

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would be shipped down to this location

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where we\'re sitting today and what they

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had was conveyor belt that went across

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the Kootenai River which is right beside

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us here there was a loading station

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there and they would load out by rail

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different for Mick you lies it\'s an

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installation that gets fire it can be

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used for installation in homes it can be

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used as a soil conditioner

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they\'ve even attempted to make food out

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of it they were at one time they were

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experimenting with making cookies in

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fact they made some right here

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we\'re back on the record at

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approximately 250 one was it about April

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15 1963 that the zone light company was

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merged into double your grace yes sir

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Jona light became a part of WR graced by

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an exchange of stuck sunlight company

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stuck for WR great stuck

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WR grease really marketed the product

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heavily and production really took off I

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[Applause]

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have no way of telling you how much I

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can tell you this that we ship the

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finished product that I shipped was an

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opera card and we shipped like two

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hundred two hundred thousand pounds to

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the car twelve thirteen cars a day and

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that would go all over the other states

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in Canada

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boy those were the jobs have a job at

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the Mayan he was someone in the

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community because you had steady

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employment you could afford to give your

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kids things you could afford to have a

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nice house those are some of the really

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permanent good jobs if somebody in the

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community needed something equipment

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donated or material donated they went

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down the st. Regis or WR vase and and

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and they whatever they got or wanted a

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they basically gave it to the community

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if you had a garden and you wanted some

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sort condition all you have to do is

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drive out and with Lord your pickup we\'d

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load your truck up free and all you had

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to do was come back and spread it on

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your garden the managers they brought

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here to run the place were always very

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active in community and civic life what

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do they call that the social capital I

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guess talk about the impact of social

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capital and Libby they were bright

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fellows and bright men that that ran the

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I ran the show up there and almost every

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one of them as I was growing up you know

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you knew who they were and and what they

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were involved in and they were always

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involved in their churches and and other

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civic organizations around town

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[Applause]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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my first experience there was what hell

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did I get myself into I just couldn\'t

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believe

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the dust

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[Music]

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the dirt

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I went into the construction room

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because that\'s where I was told the

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report and he told me I was going to be

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a sweeper in a drive mill and I had no

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idea what he was talking about but first

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you go over to the warehouse and get a

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respirator

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I had this respirator on in about 15

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minutes I couldn\'t breathe so I pulled

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this respirator off and it was just

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plugged saw it I thought boy I\'m not

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getting nothing done and if I don\'t I\'m

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going to get canned

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so I just pulled their respirator off

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and let it dangle around my neck here

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and I and I really went to work and at

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noon I went back down to eat lunch and I

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I was just covered but this dust

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everywhere and Tom DeShazer was sitting

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in there and he was the foreman of that

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of the construction department and he

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said how do you like it

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dust and I said Jesus it\'s the worst I

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ever seen again and I can\'t imagine

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anything like it like it\'s the worst

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I\'ve ever seen and jeez they all left

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you know and slapped her leg and said ah

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it\'s just a nuisance dust you\'ll get

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used to it

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[Music]

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the stuff was in your clothes it was

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everywhere they were so fun the only way

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you knew it is you\'d fought a cup of

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coffee and you look down you could see

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it sitting in the top of your coffee but

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you couldn\'t see it in the air but you

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could see it subbing in your coffee

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you couldn\'t get it off and read it it

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just sucked the same way with the or you

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know and so I took it home with me

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and a night walk in the house you know

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that my oldest daughter and my oldest

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son they\'d grabbed me by the legs you

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know because they was happy to see me

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and here governor Rita you know and

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she\'d come over you know and we\'d have a

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hug and Christ that was covered with

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this stuff you know what it wasn\'t that

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I was being sloppy it was just that I

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couldn\'t get it off was nothing for any

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man to come home dirty from work if a

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Sawyer came in he\'d come in smelling of

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saw gas and and maybe pine needles but

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he was allowed to walk through the house

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and his dirty verticals if a man was a

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mechanic he take his greasy coveralls

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off but still his hands and his

509
00:27:47.649 --> 00:27:50.019
fingernails would be covered with grime

510
00:27:50.019 --> 00:27:51.789
so it was a natural thing for a man to

511
00:27:51.789 --> 00:27:55.149
come home dirty in my father\'s instance

512
00:27:55.149 --> 00:27:57.360
he came home dirty and it was the dust

513
00:27:57.360 --> 00:27:59.320
dad would take the car to work in the

514
00:27:59.320 --> 00:28:00.490
daytime he\'d bring it home at five

515
00:28:00.490 --> 00:28:02.200
o\'clock at night and by 6 o\'clock I

516
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:03.789
would have the car and I\'d be running up

517
00:28:03.789 --> 00:28:06.519
and down the Main Street and the car was

518
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:08.559
always full of dust and you\'d always

519
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:10.029
make an apology to somebody when they

520
00:28:10.029 --> 00:28:12.700
get the car well you know it\'s just dust

521
00:28:12.700 --> 00:28:14.460
don\'t worry about it

522
00:28:14.460 --> 00:28:18.190
is it correct from that from 1948 on you

523
00:28:18.190 --> 00:28:20.139
knew and the company always knew that

524
00:28:20.139 --> 00:28:21.429
there was a serious health problem

525
00:28:21.429 --> 00:28:23.249
because of a large amount of dust

526
00:28:23.249 --> 00:28:28.249
concentrated there well it was certainly

527
00:28:28.690 --> 00:28:30.249
known that in some areas there were

528
00:28:30.249 --> 00:28:34.059
large concentrations of dust and it\'s

529
00:28:34.059 --> 00:28:36.460
certainly common knowledge that too much

530
00:28:36.460 --> 00:28:39.999
dust of any kind is not a healthy

531
00:28:39.999 --> 00:28:42.240
situation

532
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:47.240
grace was on the school board

533
00:28:47.409 --> 00:28:50.769
grace was on the hospital board grace on

534
00:28:50.769 --> 00:28:54.909
the bank and when you talked about dust

535
00:28:54.909 --> 00:28:57.970
control hear anything about the Dustin

536
00:28:57.970 --> 00:29:00.129
and what it was doing harmful to these

537
00:29:00.129 --> 00:29:03.759
people here the first thing coming out

538
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:05.590
of their mouth was you you\'re going to

539
00:29:05.590 --> 00:29:07.269
close that mud down and you\'re gonna put

540
00:29:07.269 --> 00:29:09.210
all these people out of work

541
00:29:09.210 --> 00:29:11.279
you didn\'t have very many friends and

542
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:14.479
you start talking like that

543
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:30.960
[Music]

544
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:37.119
Bob Dylan has been a mentor to me let me

545
00:29:38.349 --> 00:29:40.539
say this it\'d be a shame if you don\'t

546
00:29:40.539 --> 00:29:42.729
know your Bible but even if you don\'t

547
00:29:42.729 --> 00:29:44.789
know your Bible never read it

548
00:29:44.789 --> 00:29:48.190
you could still be lifted by the work of

549
00:29:48.190 --> 00:29:52.080
Bob Dylan and in one of his songs I

550
00:29:52.080 --> 00:29:55.349
don\'t fully understand it but he said I

551
00:29:55.349 --> 00:29:58.089
was knocked out and loaded and to make

552
00:29:58.089 --> 00:30:02.889
it night my last dream exploded and I

553
00:30:02.889 --> 00:30:04.239
noticed your light

554
00:30:04.239 --> 00:30:08.169
oh what a story I could tell god the

555
00:30:08.169 --> 00:30:12.369
father said his creation of as a mystery

556
00:30:12.369 --> 00:30:17.369
for all of us to try and solve we all

557
00:30:17.889 --> 00:30:20.409
have a light side and a dark side within

558
00:30:20.409 --> 00:30:25.169
us we can love we can hate

559
00:30:25.169 --> 00:30:30.169
promote life or we can kill somewhere in

560
00:30:30.390 --> 00:30:33.090
the book of Revelation it is written the

561
00:30:33.090 --> 00:30:36.390
devil knows that his time is short so if

562
00:30:36.390 --> 00:30:38.250
things get a little bit better your day

563
00:30:38.250 --> 00:30:40.679
by day don\'t be too shocked or surprised

564
00:30:40.679 --> 00:30:44.640
by it each person has to make up their

565
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:46.480
mind what\'s real to them

566
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:51.480
[Music]

567
00:31:04.930 --> 00:31:06.990
you

568
00:31:10.220 --> 00:31:13.680
hindsight is always so good you know

569
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:14.880
looking back

570
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:19.880
[Music]

571
00:31:20.010 --> 00:31:22.630
I\'ll just point to it here when I get

572
00:31:22.630 --> 00:31:27.630
over here a little bit it\'s set right

573
00:31:28.750 --> 00:31:32.580
about up there

574
00:31:32.580 --> 00:31:36.809
let\'s call the expansion plants where we

575
00:31:36.809 --> 00:31:39.830
had a furnace in there and we\'d run

576
00:31:39.830 --> 00:31:43.559
north through there and we\'d pop it is

577
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:46.139
what we called it but they got another

578
00:31:46.139 --> 00:31:49.709
name for it but I actually I worked in

579
00:31:49.709 --> 00:31:53.629
this building down here about two years

580
00:31:53.629 --> 00:31:57.330
it was a good job even considering the

581
00:31:57.330 --> 00:32:01.109
dust you know and I would have stayed

582
00:32:01.109 --> 00:32:01.469
there

583
00:32:01.469 --> 00:32:05.070
but my wife wouldn\'t put up with it she

584
00:32:05.070 --> 00:32:08.219
had to clean it up afterwards I think

585
00:32:08.219 --> 00:32:11.639
most people realize what a company

586
00:32:11.639 --> 00:32:13.979
physically as I mean dude if you\'re

587
00:32:13.979 --> 00:32:16.429
staying at the warm you pass you know

588
00:32:16.429 --> 00:32:20.700
but every year they would x-ray you if

589
00:32:20.700 --> 00:32:23.849
we ever got a report back it was very

590
00:32:23.849 --> 00:32:28.200
seldom we ever got a report back it was

591
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:32.129
no change to your knowledge was any

592
00:32:32.129 --> 00:32:35.190
reason given to the employees for the

593
00:32:35.190 --> 00:32:38.299
x-ray survey

594
00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:44.900
well just just to evaluate their chest

595
00:32:49.080 --> 00:32:51.510
x-rays the dust disease is what we sort

596
00:32:51.510 --> 00:32:53.700
of called it and and men would call a

597
00:32:53.700 --> 00:32:56.640
lot and and and get a lot of respiratory

598
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.490
infections and I started noticing that

599
00:32:59.490 --> 00:33:01.500
dad wasn\'t feeling good I mean there was

600
00:33:01.500 --> 00:33:02.850
something to matter he just wasn\'t the

601
00:33:02.850 --> 00:33:07.850
same peppy self and and he really didn\'t

602
00:33:08.940 --> 00:33:10.230
understand what it was he finally went

603
00:33:10.230 --> 00:33:11.550
to the doctor and the doctor gave him

604
00:33:11.550 --> 00:33:14.330
the news that he had a heart condition

605
00:33:14.330 --> 00:33:19.330
in in 1964 dad was 52 years old to have

606
00:33:20.250 --> 00:33:24.050
a heart condition by 1966 he was

607
00:33:24.050 --> 00:33:26.580
relatively severe having continual chest

608
00:33:26.580 --> 00:33:29.550
pains and he was still managing to work

609
00:33:29.550 --> 00:33:31.590
at his job is operating a road grader

610
00:33:31.590 --> 00:33:35.460
his logic was the company\'s watching up

611
00:33:35.460 --> 00:33:36.960
me Margaret I can still work they\'re

612
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:38.310
willing to let me work with a heart

613
00:33:38.310 --> 00:33:41.190
condition and and to to bring home a

614
00:33:41.190 --> 00:33:44.700
paycheck and support you and he got so

615
00:33:44.700 --> 00:33:46.140
he couldn\'t walk all the way to store

616
00:33:46.140 --> 00:33:47.610
without stopping and leaning against a

617
00:33:47.610 --> 00:33:50.820
fence post but he was still working so

618
00:33:50.820 --> 00:33:53.370
it was 1971 when when he finally went to

619
00:33:53.370 --> 00:33:58.370
the doctor and the doctor said that he

620
00:33:59.280 --> 00:34:00.450
shouldn\'t work anymore he didn\'t feel

621
00:34:00.450 --> 00:34:03.150
that he should when this was submitted

622
00:34:03.150 --> 00:34:04.710
to workman\'s comp they ordered him to go

623
00:34:04.710 --> 00:34:07.350
to Missoula to go to the doctor for an

624
00:34:07.350 --> 00:34:10.890
examination and actually I my husband

625
00:34:10.890 --> 00:34:12.600
and I drove him down that day to me so I

626
00:34:12.600 --> 00:34:14.880
looked at the doctor and he came out of

627
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.179
doctors office and he was just stunned

628
00:34:17.179 --> 00:34:19.260
and he said the doctor said there\'s

629
00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:22.350
nothing the matter with my heart all the

630
00:34:22.350 --> 00:34:23.760
nitroglycerine they\'ve given me over the

631
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:26.460
years should have killed me but he said

632
00:34:26.460 --> 00:34:31.340
I have no lungs so mom learned to drive

633
00:34:31.340 --> 00:34:34.500
and took up selling Avon products I mean

634
00:34:34.500 --> 00:34:36.060
door to door this is the only thing she

635
00:34:36.060 --> 00:34:38.160
knew that she could do in the meantime

636
00:34:38.160 --> 00:34:40.290
dad sat there he literally sat for 18

637
00:34:40.290 --> 00:34:44.220
months just died and he was 62 and he

638
00:34:44.220 --> 00:34:46.400
died

639
00:34:47.750 --> 00:34:52.750
[Music]

640
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:03.589
I was higher than 30 guys working their

641
00:35:03.589 --> 00:35:07.430
work when I started and I was I started

642
00:35:07.430 --> 00:35:11.839
trying to remember you know if there was

643
00:35:11.839 --> 00:35:14.390
any of them still around and boy it was

644
00:35:14.390 --> 00:35:16.400
getting harder and harder to go to

645
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:18.890
remember somebody that was still alive

646
00:35:18.890 --> 00:35:20.839
Gayla Benefield of course has been a

647
00:35:20.839 --> 00:35:24.050
friend of ours since she was background

648
00:35:24.050 --> 00:35:26.000
redone I got married we lived right

649
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:28.490
across the road from her folks and then

650
00:35:28.490 --> 00:35:31.130
I coffee know a little bit when I was

651
00:35:31.130 --> 00:35:33.339
talking to her we\'d say you pretty often

652
00:35:33.339 --> 00:35:35.900
she said well that\'s that\'s the first

653
00:35:35.900 --> 00:35:38.030
thing better that\'s the first sign she

654
00:35:38.030 --> 00:35:40.339
said you better go over to dr. white

655
00:35:40.339 --> 00:35:44.030
house and get tested I didn\'t remember

656
00:35:44.030 --> 00:35:46.760
this pretty plain because I walked in

657
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:49.579
there and we filled out our paper that

658
00:35:49.579 --> 00:35:51.470
you got to fill out before you go see a

659
00:35:51.470 --> 00:35:56.470
doctor and he says he\'s looking at this

660
00:35:57.560 --> 00:36:00.829
paper and he said you\'re from Libya and

661
00:36:00.829 --> 00:36:03.920
I said yeah well he said I don\'t know

662
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:05.630
what you\'re here for he said just take

663
00:36:05.630 --> 00:36:10.220
your shirt off and and step in this room

664
00:36:10.220 --> 00:36:13.150
here so I went in and had an x-ray and

665
00:36:13.150 --> 00:36:17.630
he came back in I was sitting there and

666
00:36:17.630 --> 00:36:21.740
he said he said well he got ask best

667
00:36:21.740 --> 00:36:25.730
ptosis and he said you probably got

668
00:36:25.730 --> 00:36:29.680
about from five to ten years to live

669
00:36:29.680 --> 00:36:34.680
so we went out got in a car and started

670
00:36:35.350 --> 00:36:37.270
parole and I suppose I guess we got

671
00:36:37.270 --> 00:36:42.270
about halfway on Carly and I said didn\'t

672
00:36:43.150 --> 00:36:46.510
read I said Jesus you know what she said

673
00:36:46.510 --> 00:36:49.540
what and I said I just got a death

674
00:36:49.540 --> 00:36:54.520
sentence what is your understanding of

675
00:36:54.520 --> 00:36:59.520
what asbestosis is my understanding is

676
00:37:00.820 --> 00:37:05.820
it\'s these are the lungs and to your

677
00:37:06.460 --> 00:37:08.800
knowledge have ex-workers at Zona light

678
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:13.800
diet of asbestosis well to my knowledge

679
00:37:13.990 --> 00:37:17.230
ex-workers of zonal light who have died

680
00:37:17.230 --> 00:37:21.040
one of the causes of death is past best

681
00:37:21.040 --> 00:37:23.320
ptosis i don\'t recall whether any of

682
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:25.750
them their death certificate stated that

683
00:37:25.750 --> 00:37:29.230
that was the primary cause but it would

684
00:37:29.230 --> 00:37:30.340
have been one of the contributing

685
00:37:30.340 --> 00:37:33.730
factors were some of these people

686
00:37:33.730 --> 00:37:37.570
friends ears yes sir and does the number

687
00:37:37.570 --> 00:37:42.570
of them with asbestosis as a cause of

688
00:37:43.900 --> 00:37:44.530
death

689
00:37:44.530 --> 00:37:46.870
concern you I have checked on the basis

690
00:37:46.870 --> 00:37:48.880
of irrelevant and immaterial to the

691
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:51.250
issues of this loss of prejudicial Lloyd

692
00:37:51.250 --> 00:37:55.210
an answer to the again well of course

693
00:37:55.210 --> 00:37:56.830
I\'m concerned above on any of my friends

694
00:37:56.830 --> 00:38:00.070
five-minute from any reasons so in that

695
00:38:00.070 --> 00:38:04.870
respect the answer would be yes let\'s go

696
00:38:04.870 --> 00:38:09.580
to exhibit 17 this appear to be a letter

697
00:38:09.580 --> 00:38:13.170
from mr. wake to mr. Blake dated

698
00:38:13.170 --> 00:38:16.930
September 21 1956 yes sir

699
00:38:16.930 --> 00:38:20.350
do you see a Montana State Board of

700
00:38:20.350 --> 00:38:22.600
Health report of an industrial hygiene

701
00:38:22.600 --> 00:38:27.600
study August 8 to 9 1956 yes sir you see

702
00:38:28.120 --> 00:38:30.130
three lines down under toxicity

703
00:38:30.130 --> 00:38:33.310
the asbestos dust in the dust in the air

704
00:38:33.310 --> 00:38:36.070
is of considerable toxicity and is a

705
00:38:36.070 --> 00:38:38.230
factor in the consideration of reducing

706
00:38:38.230 --> 00:38:40.510
dustiness in this plant yesterday

707
00:38:40.510 --> 00:38:42.820
was this report your first knowledge of

708
00:38:42.820 --> 00:38:46.300
what asbestosis was to the best of my

709
00:38:46.300 --> 00:38:51.300
recollection this report is the first

710
00:38:51.750 --> 00:38:56.750
that we or I knew of the dangers of

711
00:38:58.660 --> 00:39:01.920
asbestos in a workplace

712
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:05.830
so as of 1956 the company knew there was

713
00:39:05.830 --> 00:39:07.990
a specialist in the dust correct yes sir

714
00:39:07.990 --> 00:39:10.650
and the company also knew that

715
00:39:10.650 --> 00:39:14.470
asbestosis is from inhaling asbestos

716
00:39:14.470 --> 00:39:17.830
dust correct yes sir and the company

717
00:39:17.830 --> 00:39:21.700
also knew there were workers ads on

718
00:39:21.700 --> 00:39:23.680
light who were inhaling asbestos dust

719
00:39:23.680 --> 00:39:25.360
great yes sir

720
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.990
in 1956 did you and did the company

721
00:39:28.990 --> 00:39:30.580
disclose to the employees that the

722
00:39:30.580 --> 00:39:32.410
asbestos and the dust in the air was

723
00:39:32.410 --> 00:39:34.590
toxic

724
00:39:34.590 --> 00:39:36.250
not that I recall no sir

725
00:39:36.250 --> 00:39:41.250
[Music]

726
00:39:50.510 --> 00:39:55.350
we had loading facilities that on the

727
00:39:55.350 --> 00:39:57.690
river in February of the 19th

728
00:39:57.690 --> 00:40:00.300
I believe in Westminster 1979 they had a

729
00:40:00.300 --> 00:40:03.000
derailment and during that period of

730
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:04.040
time

731
00:40:04.040 --> 00:40:07.860
MSHA which is a government agency that

732
00:40:07.860 --> 00:40:09.260
inspects mines

733
00:40:09.260 --> 00:40:12.450
well they had a crew of four people come

734
00:40:12.450 --> 00:40:15.750
in and the agent that worked with me was

735
00:40:15.750 --> 00:40:19.800
name is Robert Smith and over the period

736
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:21.720
of a couple of days we we got into

737
00:40:21.720 --> 00:40:24.030
conversations about different areas that

738
00:40:24.030 --> 00:40:27.830
he\'d worked in and he mentioned asbestos

739
00:40:27.830 --> 00:40:30.720
and I said well we\'re fortunate here we

740
00:40:30.720 --> 00:40:33.720
don\'t we don\'t have asbestos he said you

741
00:40:33.720 --> 00:40:38.720
don\'t know us that we have tremolite and

742
00:40:39.230 --> 00:40:43.440
he walked over to to his van and he got

743
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:48.440
his Maggie got a book of regulations out

744
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:51.660
of it like about the size of the Bible

745
00:40:51.660 --> 00:40:56.660
and he opened it up to asbestos and

746
00:40:57.650 --> 00:41:02.370
tremolite was the first classifications

747
00:41:02.370 --> 00:41:06.300
of asbestos out of the category and it

748
00:41:06.300 --> 00:41:08.400
was classed as one of the most dangerous

749
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:11.700
because of the size of fibers the

750
00:41:11.700 --> 00:41:13.380
administration officer was there a

751
00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:18.380
loving that\'s pretty upset so I went

752
00:41:18.600 --> 00:41:20.430
back to his office and he was sitting

753
00:41:20.430 --> 00:41:21.150
his desk

754
00:41:21.150 --> 00:41:25.410
I said Earl we got a problem I said for

755
00:41:25.410 --> 00:41:27.180
a long long time you told us we had

756
00:41:27.180 --> 00:41:29.580
nothing to worry about this dust because

757
00:41:29.580 --> 00:41:32.820
it was tremolite he said that\'s right I

758
00:41:32.820 --> 00:41:35.460
said one held and you go a step further

759
00:41:35.460 --> 00:41:38.690
and tell us what the hell tremolite was

760
00:41:38.690 --> 00:41:41.250
it\'s one of the most dangerous forms of

761
00:41:41.250 --> 00:41:44.130
asbestos and he put his hands out like

762
00:41:44.130 --> 00:41:46.200
me said Bob I thought everybody knew

763
00:41:46.200 --> 00:41:51.200
that and that really that really upset

764
00:41:51.630 --> 00:41:52.940
me because

765
00:41:52.940 --> 00:41:56.099
we\'re not geologists we\'re just working

766
00:41:56.099 --> 00:41:58.890
people there\'s not a person on that hill

767
00:41:58.890 --> 00:42:01.380
up there knew what the hell trimmed the

768
00:42:01.380 --> 00:42:06.059
definition for tremolite in the 1960s

769
00:42:06.059 --> 00:42:08.880
did you ever tell employees the reason

770
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:11.549
for wearing respirators namely that

771
00:42:11.549 --> 00:42:16.549
asbestos dust is toxic objection to the

772
00:42:17.579 --> 00:42:21.569
foreman question I don\'t I don\'t recall

773
00:42:21.569 --> 00:42:26.569
I don\'t recall that employees would have

774
00:42:27.809 --> 00:42:31.680
been told in addition to our respirators

775
00:42:31.680 --> 00:42:35.369
for that reason and was that true in the

776
00:42:35.369 --> 00:42:37.460
early 70s as well

777
00:42:37.460 --> 00:42:39.920
object to the form of the question

778
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:41.970
probably but there are some things that

779
00:42:41.970 --> 00:42:43.680
shouldn\'t do it there shouldn\'t be a

780
00:42:43.680 --> 00:42:46.259
need to explain you shouldn\'t have to

781
00:42:46.259 --> 00:42:47.970
tell an employee that they shouldn\'t put

782
00:42:47.970 --> 00:42:49.829
their fingers on a piece of red-hot iron

783
00:42:49.829 --> 00:42:52.850
either and we never told them that

784
00:42:52.850 --> 00:42:57.850
[Music]

785
00:43:00.200 --> 00:43:02.700
typically our samples of the aura range

786
00:43:02.700 --> 00:43:06.839
from 3 to 7% asbestos of the war itself

787
00:43:06.839 --> 00:43:08.910
I think we\'ve had samples of the ores

788
00:43:08.910 --> 00:43:12.000
high as 12 percent but three sevens

789
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:13.740
typical that\'s pretty typical with what

790
00:43:13.740 --> 00:43:16.559
people have reported historically except

791
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:18.059
for W our grace through date is always

792
00:43:18.059 --> 00:43:20.400
funny an order of magnitude lower but

793
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.069
any of the material when disturb gives

794
00:43:23.069 --> 00:43:25.589
off airborne fibers plenty right this

795
00:43:25.589 --> 00:43:27.450
crap is so bloody friable I mean it\'s

796
00:43:27.450 --> 00:43:29.369
just astounding to me I had this it was

797
00:43:29.369 --> 00:43:30.900
a hunk that started out about this big

798
00:43:30.900 --> 00:43:33.119
it had in the mayonnaise jar and it was

799
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:37.740
at the pure damnable thing and you could

800
00:43:37.740 --> 00:43:39.750
uh yeah and watch this that\'s not all

801
00:43:39.750 --> 00:43:44.280
that intact so bloody geologists yeah I

802
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:49.280
mean you know we didn\'t that\'s right you

803
00:43:49.380 --> 00:43:51.089
know one of the things that I need for

804
00:43:51.089 --> 00:43:56.089
my analysis as complete a summary and

805
00:43:57.260 --> 00:44:00.089
then being able to get my hands on as

806
00:44:00.089 --> 00:44:03.079
many documents as possible that indicate

807
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:08.079
their knowledge of those sure over time

808
00:44:09.359 --> 00:44:13.099
there\'s two internal memos one from 1969

809
00:44:13.099 --> 00:44:16.349
written by a guy named Earl Lovick and

810
00:44:16.349 --> 00:44:18.329
the main feature of this memo is as a

811
00:44:18.329 --> 00:44:23.280
graph where they had actually plotted

812
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:26.130
out and it\'s a weird y-axis they call it

813
00:44:26.130 --> 00:44:27.420
lung disease and they don\'t they\'re not

814
00:44:27.420 --> 00:44:29.910
more specific than that and then they

815
00:44:29.910 --> 00:44:34.910
have years of employment and their 20

816
00:44:35.670 --> 00:44:37.500
year employees the percent with dying

817
00:44:37.500 --> 00:44:40.140
not this is not a marker of they have it

818
00:44:40.140 --> 00:44:44.609
this is deaths of 92 percent of their

819
00:44:44.609 --> 00:44:46.049
20-year employees were dying of lung

820
00:44:46.049 --> 00:44:48.930
disease the average and then set with

821
00:44:48.930 --> 00:44:49.859
that in you know I haven\'t drawn my

822
00:44:49.859 --> 00:44:52.530
curve very well but at 10 years it was

823
00:44:52.530 --> 00:44:57.530
41 percent so on average 41% of the Libi

824
00:44:57.710 --> 00:45:00.690
workers are dying from asbestosis

825
00:45:00.690 --> 00:45:04.630
mesothelioma and they knew that in 69

826
00:45:04.630 --> 00:45:08.720
and does that appear to be a memo from

827
00:45:08.720 --> 00:45:12.050
you to mr. Kelly dated January 2 1965

828
00:45:12.050 --> 00:45:13.310
yes sir

829
00:45:13.310 --> 00:45:15.490
the next page do you see a listing of

830
00:45:15.490 --> 00:45:19.010
normal chests and abnormal chests yes

831
00:45:19.010 --> 00:45:19.340
sir

832
00:45:19.340 --> 00:45:23.150
you see Alan booth Minh yes sir did he

833
00:45:23.150 --> 00:45:25.490
die of lung disease I don\'t recall what

834
00:45:25.490 --> 00:45:28.310
he died from he died I know that I don\'t

835
00:45:28.310 --> 00:45:29.870
recall it it\'s cause of death what\'s

836
00:45:29.870 --> 00:45:32.300
next one Robert Cohen R did he die of

837
00:45:32.300 --> 00:45:34.580
lung disease yes sir Jack garrison did

838
00:45:34.580 --> 00:45:36.320
he die of lung disease yes sir

839
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:38.090
Bernie Hamilton did he die of lung

840
00:45:38.090 --> 00:45:40.430
disease yes sir I believe so it was

841
00:45:40.430 --> 00:45:42.800
hoppy did he die of lung disease no he

842
00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:46.220
drowned and Michael McNair did he die of

843
00:45:46.220 --> 00:45:47.960
mesothelioma yes sir

844
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:49.730
Lloyd Miller did he die of lung disease

845
00:45:49.730 --> 00:45:51.950
yes sir Richard realm\' did he die of

846
00:45:51.950 --> 00:45:52.970
lung disease yes sir

847
00:45:52.970 --> 00:45:55.190
Stewart Risley did he die of lung

848
00:45:55.190 --> 00:45:58.250
disease I don\'t know Harold Shrewsbury

849
00:45:58.250 --> 00:46:00.140
did he die of lung disease I don\'t know

850
00:46:00.140 --> 00:46:04.070
and LD Welch and that would be Lila

851
00:46:04.070 --> 00:46:07.040
swell did he die of lung disease will

852
00:46:07.040 --> 00:46:09.680
certainly contributing factors at this

853
00:46:09.680 --> 00:46:13.520
point in 1965 is any information given

854
00:46:13.520 --> 00:46:15.170
to these employees that inhaling

855
00:46:15.170 --> 00:46:19.250
asbestos dust could be dangerous and

856
00:46:19.250 --> 00:46:24.250
hazardous to their health you have asked

857
00:46:26.450 --> 00:46:30.580
this question before today and

858
00:46:30.580 --> 00:46:35.210
specifically I don\'t know that we gave

859
00:46:35.210 --> 00:46:40.210
any specific information on the

860
00:46:41.510 --> 00:46:45.020
hazardous of asbestos or whatever but

861
00:46:45.020 --> 00:46:48.170
there\'s every reason to think that these

862
00:46:48.170 --> 00:46:51.260
employees were aware of it at that time

863
00:46:51.260 --> 00:46:54.890
that had people dying from it and it was

864
00:46:54.890 --> 00:46:57.620
either he drank too much he smoked too

865
00:46:57.620 --> 00:47:00.020
much he didn\'t take care of himself too

866
00:47:00.020 --> 00:47:02.750
much it never was anything he mentioned

867
00:47:02.750 --> 00:47:05.870
about the dust killing him I think I was

868
00:47:05.870 --> 00:47:09.220
still kinda numb about

869
00:47:09.220 --> 00:47:14.220
well and then I took it in and three of

870
00:47:19.730 --> 00:47:24.730
our kids to White House and found out

871
00:47:25.460 --> 00:47:30.460
that they have it - my wife has it my

872
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:34.100
oldest daughter and my oldest son and

873
00:47:34.100 --> 00:47:36.590
just lately we found out that our

874
00:47:36.590 --> 00:47:41.590
youngest one 32 years old has got it we

875
00:47:42.230 --> 00:47:43.880
were in the lawyer\'s talking to him and

876
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.160
he heard mother cough he said have you

877
00:47:46.160 --> 00:47:47.360
been checked lately and I said well I

878
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:48.650
just got her out of the hospital with

879
00:47:48.650 --> 00:47:53.650
pneumonia and he asked her to sign her

880
00:47:54.530 --> 00:47:56.810
medical records to give him permission

881
00:47:56.810 --> 00:48:00.260
look at him and it was just a few weeks

882
00:48:00.260 --> 00:48:02.600
later after he got the medical records

883
00:48:02.600 --> 00:48:03.740
he called it my mother and he said you

884
00:48:03.740 --> 00:48:08.740
have a specced Ellis\'s but at that point

885
00:48:12.830 --> 00:48:14.510
mom is like your eye you\'d look at it

886
00:48:14.510 --> 00:48:16.520
you couldn\'t see where she was sicker

887
00:48:16.520 --> 00:48:18.050
she got to moving very fast she cough a

888
00:48:18.050 --> 00:48:23.050
lot she had pneumonia every year but we

889
00:48:24.110 --> 00:48:25.460
didn\'t know anything about the disease I

890
00:48:25.460 --> 00:48:26.750
went the library to try to find out

891
00:48:26.750 --> 00:48:28.220
about the disease there was nothing

892
00:48:28.220 --> 00:48:33.220
there by 1988 mom ended up on oxygen

893
00:48:34.270 --> 00:48:37.670
actually she just started going downhill

894
00:48:37.670 --> 00:48:40.610
the disease will go slowly to a certain

895
00:48:40.610 --> 00:48:42.830
point and some people suddenly

896
00:48:42.830 --> 00:48:44.780
accelerate there\'s nothing you can do to

897
00:48:44.780 --> 00:48:46.990
stop it

898
00:48:46.990 --> 00:48:51.190
what would you prefer that I called

899
00:48:51.190 --> 00:48:56.190
she went at the hospital in February

900
00:48:56.560 --> 00:48:59.859
1995 with pneumonia and this this could

901
00:48:59.859 --> 00:49:02.859
occur in a matter of hours morning

902
00:49:02.859 --> 00:49:04.119
should be fine maybe feel a little bad

903
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:07.210
and by noon her lungs would be starting

904
00:49:07.210 --> 00:49:09.580
to fill up on her I mean it was it was

905
00:49:09.580 --> 00:49:11.470
terrible we were given a choice of

906
00:49:11.470 --> 00:49:14.680
putting her in a care center or taking

907
00:49:14.680 --> 00:49:17.230
her home and that always as being a

908
00:49:17.230 --> 00:49:19.119
friend mother and I were friends we\'d

909
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:21.880
always had this agreement that one would

910
00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:24.369
not put the other in the care center

911
00:49:24.369 --> 00:49:26.530
until they lost their mind or messed

912
00:49:26.530 --> 00:49:27.280
their pants

913
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:29.500
well mother\'s still had her mind and she

914
00:49:29.500 --> 00:49:31.390
wasn\'t in a diaper so I had to hold up

915
00:49:31.390 --> 00:49:33.280
my end of the bargain when she got to

916
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:35.170
the point where she couldn\'t take her

917
00:49:35.170 --> 00:49:38.380
oxygen tank and and go to the stores

918
00:49:38.380 --> 00:49:41.109
alone I talked her into to learning to

919
00:49:41.109 --> 00:49:43.390
operate the carts for the handicapped in

920
00:49:43.390 --> 00:49:46.900
the stores she was so nervous remember

921
00:49:46.900 --> 00:49:48.190
that morning you said this is it I\'m

922
00:49:48.190 --> 00:49:52.690
gonna learn to drive this rose ours was

923
00:49:52.690 --> 00:49:54.900
so nice they said just turn her loose I

924
00:49:54.900 --> 00:49:56.650
told her she had to go to the care

925
00:49:56.650 --> 00:50:01.270
center and it was you know it really it

926
00:50:01.270 --> 00:50:03.160
was terrible I mean like I said it was

927
00:50:03.160 --> 00:50:04.480
the hardest thing it was just this

928
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.600
promise that made her within about two

929
00:50:07.600 --> 00:50:09.220
days of being hospitalized she went

930
00:50:09.220 --> 00:50:11.890
really sour the doctor said at that

931
00:50:11.890 --> 00:50:15.580
point oh I\'ll just keep her here but she

932
00:50:15.580 --> 00:50:18.600
passed away that morning

933
00:50:18.630 --> 00:50:23.320
[Music]

934
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:25.730
the particular characteristics of this

935
00:50:25.730 --> 00:50:28.790
asbestos are that the way one of the

936
00:50:28.790 --> 00:50:30.650
chief ones is that their bio persistent

937
00:50:30.650 --> 00:50:32.180
that is once you breathe them into the

938
00:50:32.180 --> 00:50:34.250
air sacs and they move to that lining

939
00:50:34.250 --> 00:50:36.860
there there and we that we as far as we

940
00:50:36.860 --> 00:50:38.510
know they stay there for life if you

941
00:50:38.510 --> 00:50:40.690
look at this picker patient who has

942
00:50:40.690 --> 00:50:43.010
advanced asbestos related disease

943
00:50:43.010 --> 00:50:45.350
there\'s a significant line of white

944
00:50:45.350 --> 00:50:47.630
inside here it\'s clearly the thickness

945
00:50:47.630 --> 00:50:49.370
of the line of the lung and if you look

946
00:50:49.370 --> 00:50:50.960
at this lung and look at the height of

947
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:53.420
it okay and this isn\'t a healthy lung

948
00:50:53.420 --> 00:50:55.160
right here and then you look at this

949
00:50:55.160 --> 00:50:57.200
gentleman who\'s equally as tall as I am

950
00:50:57.200 --> 00:51:00.230
who has just lived in Libya and is now

951
00:51:00.230 --> 00:51:01.850
at the later stages of his disease you

952
00:51:01.850 --> 00:51:03.170
can see the height of the lung from the

953
00:51:03.170 --> 00:51:04.730
diaphragm up and you can see that

954
00:51:04.730 --> 00:51:06.560
significant difference in the height of

955
00:51:06.560 --> 00:51:09.950
the lungs so there\'s here\'s a gentleman

956
00:51:09.950 --> 00:51:11.690
that probably has less than half of his

957
00:51:11.690 --> 00:51:13.580
lung function clearly there are people

958
00:51:13.580 --> 00:51:16.790
now with non occupational exposures that

959
00:51:16.790 --> 00:51:19.370
have progressive lung disease and I I

960
00:51:19.370 --> 00:51:21.380
doubt they\'re going to enjoy normal

961
00:51:21.380 --> 00:51:23.540
lives I think that their disease is

962
00:51:23.540 --> 00:51:24.920
progressing at a rate that\'s going to

963
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:26.180
significantly limit them

964
00:51:26.180 --> 00:51:29.480
well what did that what did that when it

965
00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:31.090
come back what did it say abner

966
00:51:31.090 --> 00:51:36.090
abnormalities can\'t they want me to go

967
00:51:39.890 --> 00:51:42.020
back in and get tested again they don\'t

968
00:51:42.020 --> 00:51:43.670
want to pay for this time they want me

969
00:51:43.670 --> 00:51:44.500
to

970
00:51:44.500 --> 00:51:46.990
so I haven\'t done it yet I pride myself

971
00:51:46.990 --> 00:51:49.720
in the condition not that I kept my body

972
00:51:49.720 --> 00:51:52.329
and I that was I\'ve always been a person

973
00:51:52.329 --> 00:51:56.650
that took care of myself and my sons and

974
00:51:56.650 --> 00:51:58.390
I used to go up camping afternoon

975
00:51:58.390 --> 00:52:01.420
cabinets every summer all weekend long

976
00:52:01.420 --> 00:52:03.460
we\'d leave Friday and come back Sunday

977
00:52:03.460 --> 00:52:06.670
we like all all across the cabinets all

978
00:52:06.670 --> 00:52:10.170
summer long you asked me what I can do

979
00:52:10.170 --> 00:52:14.230
well I can\'t even take a I can\'t even

980
00:52:14.230 --> 00:52:16.359
take a five-pound bag of garbage to it

981
00:52:16.359 --> 00:52:21.279
to the doctor I hear 150 feet away yes

982
00:52:21.279 --> 00:52:23.920
it\'s quite a change from what I used to

983
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:28.920
be does this appear to be memo from mr.

984
00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:37.059
Schneider to Mister vining yes

985
00:52:37.059 --> 00:52:39.609
and mr. vining was an executive further

986
00:52:39.609 --> 00:52:41.349
up in the committee he was the president

987
00:52:41.349 --> 00:52:44.579
of the division okay and this memo says

988
00:52:44.579 --> 00:52:47.339
personal and confidential that you

989
00:52:47.339 --> 00:52:51.339
maintain that as confidential yes sir

990
00:52:51.339 --> 00:52:53.529
says the inclination of public agencies

991
00:52:53.529 --> 00:52:55.829
to protect the worker at any expense

992
00:52:55.829 --> 00:52:58.599
usually the employers in parentheses

993
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:00.940
seems to be a firmly entrenched

994
00:53:00.940 --> 00:53:03.190
political phenomenon which should be of

995
00:53:03.190 --> 00:53:05.640
considerable considerable concern to us

996
00:53:05.640 --> 00:53:08.460
it states our recent experience at Libby

997
00:53:08.460 --> 00:53:10.720
viewed in light of this public policy

998
00:53:10.720 --> 00:53:13.450
may create for us a significant

999
00:53:13.450 --> 00:53:17.529
financial liability and what was your

1000
00:53:17.529 --> 00:53:19.510
understanding when you receive this as

1001
00:53:19.510 --> 00:53:21.579
to what the substantial financial

1002
00:53:21.579 --> 00:53:26.579
liability might be related to I don\'t

1003
00:53:26.650 --> 00:53:28.930
know that I hadn\'t understand you got

1004
00:53:28.930 --> 00:53:30.700
out right but the same people they were

1005
00:53:30.700 --> 00:53:33.670
telling me and all the other employees

1006
00:53:33.670 --> 00:53:36.819
that this wasn\'t any more harmful to you

1007
00:53:36.819 --> 00:53:41.819
than farm dust we\'re standing right

1008
00:53:42.700 --> 00:53:45.970
beside you working eight hours a day

1009
00:53:45.970 --> 00:53:48.849
just like you were breathing the same

1010
00:53:48.849 --> 00:53:53.680
air as you were now those people think

1011
00:53:53.680 --> 00:53:57.039
that there was going to kill them when

1012
00:53:57.039 --> 00:53:59.220
did you stop smoking

1013
00:53:59.220 --> 00:54:04.220
I believe it was 1971 or 1972 and why

1014
00:54:05.340 --> 00:54:09.680
did you do that I had chest surgery and

1015
00:54:09.680 --> 00:54:13.590
what kind of test surgery wasn\'t I had

1016
00:54:13.590 --> 00:54:15.410
for a black vote

1017
00:54:15.410 --> 00:54:17.700
was it your understanding that this

1018
00:54:17.700 --> 00:54:20.990
plural plaque that you had removed was

1019
00:54:20.990 --> 00:54:24.420
probably caused by asbestos exposure yes

1020
00:54:24.420 --> 00:54:26.600
sir

1021
00:54:29.420 --> 00:54:34.420
[Music]

1022
00:54:36.520 --> 00:54:41.520
w our grace close in Libby 1990 and why

1023
00:54:43.290 --> 00:54:46.040
was that the market didn\'t justify

1024
00:54:46.040 --> 00:54:51.040
continuing that operation you have a

1025
00:54:55.080 --> 00:54:59.090
relationship with someone for 13 years

1026
00:54:59.090 --> 00:55:04.090
you trust them you respect them there\'s

1027
00:55:05.820 --> 00:55:08.780
a certain amount of loyalty

1028
00:55:08.780 --> 00:55:13.060
for 13 years and then you come home one

1029
00:55:13.060 --> 00:55:16.950
day and you find out that you\'ve been

1030
00:55:16.950 --> 00:55:19.980
lied to

1031
00:55:19.980 --> 00:55:24.980
you\'ve been deceived and right now that

1032
00:55:26.350 --> 00:55:31.350
I don\'t have any any loyalty at all and

1033
00:55:35.170 --> 00:55:37.900
I certainly have no respect for Deb here

1034
00:55:37.900 --> 00:55:41.340
at grace did you feel a moral obligation

1035
00:55:41.340 --> 00:55:46.340
to the employees generally yes sir you

1036
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:48.580
have feel a moral obligation to notify

1037
00:55:48.580 --> 00:55:51.070
the workers that ask bestest ducks dust

1038
00:55:51.070 --> 00:55:53.580
is toxic

1039
00:55:58.930 --> 00:56:01.650
well

1040
00:56:04.459 --> 00:56:09.459
we certainly felt that we certainly felt

1041
00:56:11.539 --> 00:56:13.939
that we had a moral obligation to make

1042
00:56:13.939 --> 00:56:15.920
you safe a working environment that as

1043
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:20.779
it was possible did you feel moral

1044
00:56:20.779 --> 00:56:22.489
obligation to notify the workers that

1045
00:56:22.489 --> 00:56:24.859
there was a serious health hazard at the

1046
00:56:24.859 --> 00:56:29.859
workplace well I I would I would say

1047
00:56:32.689 --> 00:56:35.630
that yes we would have we have would

1048
00:56:35.630 --> 00:56:38.010
have an obligation

1049
00:56:38.010 --> 00:56:43.010
[Music]

1050
00:57:04.980 --> 00:57:08.099
[Applause]

1051
00:57:08.099 --> 00:57:13.099
well actually I was home I was on

1052
00:57:14.260 --> 00:57:17.380
vacation a couple days before

1053
00:57:17.380 --> 00:57:20.680
Thanksgiving and I actually remember

1054
00:57:20.680 --> 00:57:23.440
because I\'d hurt my back so I was very

1055
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:25.690
literally laying on the floor with a

1056
00:57:25.690 --> 00:57:28.150
pillow one in my back at an icepack just

1057
00:57:28.150 --> 00:57:30.540
kind of stretched out my boss called and

1058
00:57:30.540 --> 00:57:35.470
said boy we\'ve got something for you you

1059
00:57:35.470 --> 00:57:36.900
know you\'re going to Montana tomorrow

1060
00:57:36.900 --> 00:57:40.090
you know I didn\'t know what they emailed

1061
00:57:40.090 --> 00:57:42.400
me the newspaper articles from the

1062
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:45.910
Seattle post-intelligencer motel was a

1063
00:57:45.910 --> 00:57:48.280
Regional Administrator he was forwarded

1064
00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:50.380
a copy of the original story editorial

1065
00:57:50.380 --> 00:57:51.760
that was in the post elegent certainly

1066
00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:53.260
the reporter called him up looking for

1067
00:57:53.260 --> 00:57:54.610
comments and it sort of you know took

1068
00:57:54.610 --> 00:57:55.710
him by surprise

1069
00:57:55.710 --> 00:57:58.510
which region administrators generally

1070
00:57:58.510 --> 00:58:01.930
don\'t like yes that was nearly all he

1071
00:58:01.930 --> 00:58:03.700
kept saying during the whole you know

1072
00:58:03.700 --> 00:58:05.680
first meeting and discussion of this is

1073
00:58:05.680 --> 00:58:07.120
Jesus I don\'t know if this is true but

1074
00:58:07.120 --> 00:58:09.640
you know get there and help them up I

1075
00:58:09.640 --> 00:58:12.310
don\'t tell the problem is to fix it our

1076
00:58:12.310 --> 00:58:14.440
initial reaction was always you know

1077
00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:17.410
it\'s overblown media reports you know

1078
00:58:17.410 --> 00:58:19.480
it\'s none of this is consistent with

1079
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:20.470
what I\'ve been taught about asbestos

1080
00:58:20.470 --> 00:58:23.710
there can\'t be this many problems will

1081
00:58:23.710 --> 00:58:26.970
be you know up quick investigation and

1082
00:58:26.970 --> 00:58:29.490
you know go home

1083
00:58:29.490 --> 00:58:34.140
Juana Courtney how you doing today good

1084
00:58:34.140 --> 00:58:39.140
good all right

1085
00:58:39.900 --> 00:58:44.900
yeah Judy this is uh Paul Perrin are

1086
00:58:45.040 --> 00:58:49.470
with the EPA is a Dennis Green

1087
00:58:49.470 --> 00:58:54.470
[Music]

1088
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:17.480
[Applause]

1089
00:59:20.460 --> 00:59:23.650
[Applause]

1090
00:59:23.650 --> 00:59:28.650
sometime it\'s a June July of 2000 light

1091
00:59:30.849 --> 00:59:33.750
flashed on it

1092
00:59:33.750 --> 00:59:37.109
definitely that this was far along there

1093
00:59:37.109 --> 00:59:42.109
far bigger than we thought you know the

1094
00:59:42.420 --> 00:59:44.729
idea was to get out to sort of layers of

1095
00:59:44.729 --> 00:59:46.680
risk ok these behaviors and this

1096
00:59:46.680 --> 00:59:48.210
situations are bad and here we can

1097
00:59:48.210 --> 00:59:50.789
relate into lung abnormalities but we\'re

1098
00:59:50.789 --> 00:59:52.079
actually in the waterways hoping to

1099
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:53.880
prove some of the null hypothesis that

1100
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:56.099
these behaviors and these situations

1101
00:59:56.099 --> 00:59:59.009
aren\'t related to medical problems and

1102
00:59:59.009 --> 01:00:01.289
you know so folks who have trace levels

1103
01:00:01.289 --> 01:00:02.969
in the garden for example wouldn\'t

1104
01:00:02.969 --> 01:00:06.479
necessarily be at risk no I mean data

1105
01:00:06.479 --> 01:00:08.519
comes back and all that kind of got

1106
01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:10.259
blown out of the water I mean you know

1107
01:00:10.259 --> 01:00:13.319
that that whole set said that all this

1108
01:00:13.319 --> 01:00:16.680
stuff is problematic really you know you

1109
01:00:16.680 --> 01:00:18.719
knew you knew Allison that concept of

1110
01:00:18.719 --> 01:00:22.849
the long haul was a lot longer

1111
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:32.840
in terms of the number of people who are

1112
01:00:32.890 --> 01:00:35.680
sick or have measurable signs of being

1113
01:00:35.680 --> 01:00:37.510
exposed to harm by this material this

1114
01:00:37.510 --> 01:00:39.820
this place is unprecedented you have to

1115
01:00:39.820 --> 01:00:43.000
go to places like Turkey or third world

1116
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:44.970
countries to see this type of exposure

1117
01:00:44.970 --> 01:00:48.970
to a population around an Evo a mine or

1118
01:00:48.970 --> 01:00:51.490
processing operations and in half the

1119
01:00:51.490 --> 01:00:54.450
United States before like this

1120
01:00:54.450 --> 01:00:55.220
[Applause]

1121
01:00:55.220 --> 01:01:00.220
[Music]

1122
01:01:06.580 --> 01:01:10.640
my only paper exist about the use of the

1123
01:01:10.640 --> 01:01:12.260
tailings here was about the high school

1124
01:01:12.260 --> 01:01:13.940
track but we actually talked to employee

1125
01:01:13.940 --> 01:01:16.310
of the school system who\'s around the

1126
01:01:16.310 --> 01:01:19.130
1970s when they did this and he says

1127
01:01:19.130 --> 01:01:20.810
well sure enough you know I remember we

1128
01:01:20.810 --> 01:01:22.910
did this when we built the junior high

1129
01:01:22.910 --> 01:01:25.670
school track as well see now Libby

1130
01:01:25.670 --> 01:01:27.410
middle school and guys that had these

1131
01:01:27.410 --> 01:01:29.780
skating rinks around at each of the

1132
01:01:29.780 --> 01:01:31.250
elementary schools where they bowled out

1133
01:01:31.250 --> 01:01:33.950
lined it with vermiculite aliens and

1134
01:01:33.950 --> 01:01:35.450
they would fill it with why they packing

1135
01:01:35.450 --> 01:01:36.410
down enough they could fill it with

1136
01:01:36.410 --> 01:01:38.030
water and it would freeze in the

1137
01:01:38.030 --> 01:01:40.610
wintertime they have a skating rink the

1138
01:01:40.610 --> 01:01:42.080
day we went out to look at this place

1139
01:01:42.080 --> 01:01:44.420
you know there\'s three kids sitting on

1140
01:01:44.420 --> 01:01:46.580
the sidelines and it\'s like their WWF

1141
01:01:46.580 --> 01:01:48.110
Arena right and they\'re out there

1142
01:01:48.110 --> 01:01:49.880
wrestling chumming around this crap and

1143
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:52.280
it\'s you know again you know asbestos

1144
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:55.810
talent for make you light tailings

1145
01:01:55.810 --> 01:01:58.369
[Music]

1146
01:01:58.369 --> 01:01:59.569
and that\'s my three-year-old

1147
01:01:59.569 --> 01:02:04.569
granddaughter the preschool she went to

1148
01:02:07.540 --> 01:02:08.750
adrenaline

1149
01:02:08.750 --> 01:02:13.750
[Music]

1150
01:02:17.810 --> 01:02:22.030
so we get to our overall theory of

1151
01:02:22.030 --> 01:02:24.190
cleanup up here it\'s actually fairly

1152
01:02:24.190 --> 01:02:26.020
simple you know for mix containing

1153
01:02:26.020 --> 01:02:27.970
products have lots of asbestos or at

1154
01:02:27.970 --> 01:02:29.260
least they produce lots of airborne

1155
01:02:29.260 --> 01:02:33.100
fibers any sort of disturbance screws

1156
01:02:33.100 --> 01:02:34.750
that screws it up and you breathe it in

1157
01:02:34.750 --> 01:02:37.750
so we\'re gonna dig it up and haul it

1158
01:02:37.750 --> 01:02:40.270
away so people don\'t disturb it problem

1159
01:02:40.270 --> 01:02:42.700
is is that almost every binding his mom

1160
01:02:42.700 --> 01:02:44.500
got a hold of this stuff all sudden a

1161
01:02:44.500 --> 01:02:47.380
lot of the waste products and ore and

1162
01:02:47.380 --> 01:02:49.660
other materials that were coming off the

1163
01:02:49.660 --> 01:02:50.890
mine which all contain any of the

1164
01:02:50.890 --> 01:02:53.710
asbestos were used and all sorts of

1165
01:02:53.710 --> 01:02:56.890
locations around town for all sorts of

1166
01:02:56.890 --> 01:02:58.270
uses and also this stuff is somewhat

1167
01:02:58.270 --> 01:03:02.160
ubiquitous to living up here

1168
01:03:02.430 --> 01:03:05.550
[Music]

1169
01:03:12.780 --> 01:03:17.780
this is a handful of inflation that we

1170
01:03:21.520 --> 01:03:26.520
have here of the Attic and houses pull

1171
01:03:27.700 --> 01:03:30.630
up two yards full of it

1172
01:03:30.630 --> 01:03:34.470
whole towns full of it

1173
01:03:39.910 --> 01:03:44.910
little bus won\'t hurt me anymore it\'s

1174
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:49.680
already hurt myself for those who think

1175
01:03:49.680 --> 01:03:54.680
[Music]

1176
01:04:13.610 --> 01:04:17.250
many things throughout the ages go on

1177
01:04:17.250 --> 01:04:18.570
behind closed doors

1178
01:04:18.570 --> 01:04:21.090
that people either never hear about or

1179
01:04:21.090 --> 01:04:24.060
they hear about long after the long

1180
01:04:24.060 --> 01:04:26.730
after the fact one good example

1181
01:04:26.730 --> 01:04:30.270
LBJ picking his dogs up five years we

1182
01:04:30.270 --> 01:04:32.130
don\'t even need to discuss the picture

1183
01:04:32.130 --> 01:04:36.120
so much of that we and NIOSH in an

1184
01:04:36.120 --> 01:04:38.040
investigation at a Nolan scott plant in

1185
01:04:38.040 --> 01:04:42.060
1978 that took Libby or and again among

1186
01:04:42.060 --> 01:04:44.370
om Scott you know I\'ve forgotten what

1187
01:04:44.370 --> 01:04:45.720
the numbers were but they but they had

1188
01:04:45.720 --> 01:04:47.610
you know elevated your bloody clurel

1189
01:04:47.610 --> 01:04:50.160
fuses different you know levels of

1190
01:04:50.160 --> 01:04:52.350
marking and disease associated with this

1191
01:04:52.350 --> 01:04:54.630
expansion operation elsewhere that ever

1192
01:04:54.630 --> 01:04:56.880
communicated back to oh yeah great you

1193
01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:00.540
back I got a call from a dr. banks in

1194
01:05:00.540 --> 01:05:04.260
Washington DC and he was he was that

1195
01:05:04.260 --> 01:05:08.880
with a program called NASA now I don\'t

1196
01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:10.800
know what those words mean but anyway

1197
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:14.760
it\'s a government agency Scott\'s was our

1198
01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:18.900
biggest customer and at this night about

1199
01:05:18.900 --> 01:05:22.410
in 1980 Scott\'s was beginning to have

1200
01:05:22.410 --> 01:05:25.380
some problems with employees dying of

1201
01:05:25.380 --> 01:05:30.380
cancer so they begin to trace the the

1202
01:05:31.970 --> 01:05:35.670
product back that was carrying this

1203
01:05:35.670 --> 01:05:38.130
bestest and of course they wound up here

1204
01:05:38.130 --> 01:05:41.670
in Libby Montana and dr. banks called me

1205
01:05:41.670 --> 01:05:44.910
and been president of local he asked

1206
01:05:44.910 --> 01:05:49.290
what my local won\'t be able to work with

1207
01:05:49.290 --> 01:05:52.190
him on on an inspection to her

1208
01:05:52.190 --> 01:05:55.290
classification to see them but the

1209
01:05:55.290 --> 01:05:57.950
working conditions and the exposure was

1210
01:05:57.950 --> 01:06:01.190
and I working there and I said sure and

1211
01:06:01.190 --> 01:06:04.290
then he begin to get some correspondence

1212
01:06:04.290 --> 01:06:04.970
from there

1213
01:06:04.970 --> 01:06:08.869
grace telling his boss that that they

1214
01:06:08.869 --> 01:06:11.150
didn\'t they didn\'t think the mr. it was

1215
01:06:11.150 --> 01:06:13.910
necessary for a study to be done here in

1216
01:06:13.910 --> 01:06:16.330
the levee and that they didn\'t back off

1217
01:06:16.330 --> 01:06:20.980
and cancel the they scheduled an

1218
01:06:20.980 --> 01:06:23.930
inspection to earth that they would use

1219
01:06:23.930 --> 01:06:27.410
their influence and Washington DC now

1220
01:06:27.410 --> 01:06:30.470
that might not mean much to you now but

1221
01:06:30.470 --> 01:06:32.510
in 1980 it meant a hell of a lot to us

1222
01:06:32.510 --> 01:06:34.690
because when I read that letter

1223
01:06:34.690 --> 01:06:38.210
Peter Greece had just been appointed by

1224
01:06:38.210 --> 01:06:41.300
Ronald Reagan to head up the grace

1225
01:06:41.300 --> 01:06:44.170
Commission on downsizing the government

1226
01:06:44.170 --> 01:06:47.840
so he was interested in downsizing all

1227
01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:52.010
forms of government and the influence

1228
01:06:52.010 --> 01:06:53.270
that they were going to use in

1229
01:06:53.270 --> 01:06:55.940
Washington DC were sitting at the right

1230
01:06:55.940 --> 01:06:58.760
hand of Ronald Reagan I am pleased to

1231
01:06:58.760 --> 01:07:00.890
present to you mr. president with the

1232
01:07:00.890 --> 01:07:04.490
private sectors surveys summary report

1233
01:07:04.490 --> 01:07:06.680
and with your weight lifting that is not

1234
01:07:06.680 --> 01:07:11.680
too heavy but otherwise and so we knew

1235
01:07:13.430 --> 01:07:16.330
that this project was dead in the woods

1236
01:07:16.330 --> 01:07:19.670
this dr. banks didn\'t know it he found

1237
01:07:19.670 --> 01:07:24.670
out about two months later the reports

1238
01:07:26.390 --> 01:07:28.099
of the Grace Commissioner remarkable

1239
01:07:28.099 --> 01:07:30.650
documents they dare us to think the

1240
01:07:30.650 --> 01:07:33.770
unthinkable and they urge us to do the

1241
01:07:33.770 --> 01:07:36.290
undoable the grace Commission has

1242
01:07:36.290 --> 01:07:37.790
confronted the issues that so many

1243
01:07:37.790 --> 01:07:40.339
government officials academic experts

1244
01:07:40.339 --> 01:07:42.410
and professional consultants have

1245
01:07:42.410 --> 01:07:45.440
ignored this commission has given us a

1246
01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:48.470
warning for the future but you have also

1247
01:07:48.470 --> 01:07:51.099
presented us with a program for action a

1248
01:07:51.099 --> 01:07:52.940
blueprint that can make government

1249
01:07:52.940 --> 01:07:54.680
responsive to the needs of the less

1250
01:07:54.680 --> 01:07:57.170
fortunate while lifting the economic

1251
01:07:57.170 --> 01:07:59.599
burden already carried by millions of

1252
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:01.849
Americans who are overtaxed and

1253
01:08:01.849 --> 01:08:05.210
over-regulated by government there\'s

1254
01:08:05.210 --> 01:08:06.440
some people who are gonna be sick and

1255
01:08:06.440 --> 01:08:08.000
exposed I mean we could have done

1256
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:09.589
anything about that but at that point in

1257
01:08:09.589 --> 01:08:11.930
time we could have sort of taken the

1258
01:08:11.930 --> 01:08:13.730
steps to do things that we\'re doing

1259
01:08:13.730 --> 01:08:14.420
today

1260
01:08:14.420 --> 01:08:16.730
and you know 20 years would have made a

1261
01:08:16.730 --> 01:08:18.380
big difference the number of people who

1262
01:08:18.380 --> 01:08:20.600
are sick or impacted and the price that

1263
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:22.190
the communities had to pay these were

1264
01:08:22.190 --> 01:08:25.159
socially and economically you know I\'m

1265
01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:26.960
not happy that we the agency didn\'t do

1266
01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:30.380
something earlier and I really wish that

1267
01:08:30.380 --> 01:08:31.969
we would as an agency talk a little more

1268
01:08:31.969 --> 01:08:33.949
candidly about the problems that we had

1269
01:08:33.949 --> 01:08:35.420
here and how we are going to address

1270
01:08:35.420 --> 01:08:38.089
them in the future

1271
01:08:38.089 --> 01:08:41.389
I don\'t get to do much about that so I

1272
01:08:41.389 --> 01:08:43.130
go back to seeing what we can do for a

1273
01:08:43.130 --> 01:08:48.130
clean up here now just doing my priority

1274
01:08:49.449 --> 01:08:51.500
all right and then Duke and David

1275
01:08:51.500 --> 01:08:52.940
probably on the phone so that we all get

1276
01:08:52.940 --> 01:08:57.940
squared away all at once by God all

1277
01:08:58.219 --> 01:09:02.330
right so is everybody on hey so Steve

1278
01:09:02.330 --> 01:09:03.560
while we\'re on the phone I had a

1279
01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:05.299
voicemail message from sheckles saying

1280
01:09:05.299 --> 01:09:06.889
he needs some write up for the Senate

1281
01:09:06.889 --> 01:09:09.080
hearings you know when I asked them two

1282
01:09:09.080 --> 01:09:10.670
weeks ago what we needed to prepare for

1283
01:09:10.670 --> 01:09:11.830
this hearing

1284
01:09:11.830 --> 01:09:13.759
we\'ve been nice that they would raise

1285
01:09:13.759 --> 01:09:15.049
this up then when I\'m sitting in the

1286
01:09:15.049 --> 01:09:20.049
office okay yes sir all right I work for

1287
01:09:29.120 --> 01:09:30.529
frigging government they\'re about stupid

1288
01:09:30.529 --> 01:09:35.529
people 55 homes and the other projects

1289
01:09:43.310 --> 01:09:48.310
that we got going fucking last week all

1290
01:09:50.569 --> 01:09:53.230
right so what I wanted to do real quick

1291
01:09:53.230 --> 01:09:56.210
the approach for each of the residential

1292
01:09:56.210 --> 01:09:58.070
properties sort of the order that I want

1293
01:09:58.070 --> 01:10:00.800
to do or I think the cleanup done sort

1294
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:02.360
of sort of discuss the overall approach

1295
01:10:02.360 --> 01:10:04.460
and then talk about how we\'re going to

1296
01:10:04.460 --> 01:10:06.350
clear the interior the houses how we\'re

1297
01:10:06.350 --> 01:10:08.600
actually gonna do the cleaning work my

1298
01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:10.580
preference unless it\'s going to be just

1299
01:10:10.580 --> 01:10:15.580
god-awful to do is to clean all right we

1300
01:10:15.679 --> 01:10:19.219
got you know 55 priority homes for this

1301
01:10:19.219 --> 01:10:20.750
year in addition to the other removal

1302
01:10:20.750 --> 01:10:23.570
work and eventually a hundred bloody

1303
01:10:23.570 --> 01:10:25.880
houses what I\'m worried about is there\'s

1304
01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:27.600
bestest dust

1305
01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:29.820
inside this friggin house I want to have

1306
01:10:29.820 --> 01:10:32.550
some reasonable scenario that stirs it

1307
01:10:32.550 --> 01:10:34.230
up to see if B people will be breathing

1308
01:10:34.230 --> 01:10:36.060
it when we leave it\'s actually going to

1309
01:10:36.060 --> 01:10:37.950
be quicker to blast through the house

1310
01:10:37.950 --> 01:10:42.150
set the Hogs up and do that that\'ll be

1311
01:10:42.150 --> 01:10:44.670
quicker I just want to use you don\'t

1312
01:10:44.670 --> 01:10:46.500
think we\'re gonna pass I don\'t think

1313
01:10:46.500 --> 01:10:48.930
we\'re gonna go to zero the zero fiber

1314
01:10:48.930 --> 01:10:51.690
thing might be I mean we can test it out

1315
01:10:51.690 --> 01:10:53.940
you know Dan I I know so you\'re on a

1316
01:10:53.940 --> 01:10:55.440
scared as this stuff goes I am I just

1317
01:10:55.440 --> 01:10:59.850
don\'t know I shouldn\'t say that

1318
01:10:59.850 --> 01:11:03.060
I\'m very scared of it I mean you know

1319
01:11:03.060 --> 01:11:05.580
but in that same token I\'m scared of it

1320
01:11:05.580 --> 01:11:07.350
I\'m coming right now I guarantee every

1321
01:11:07.350 --> 01:11:08.970
piece of clothing I have from bean and

1322
01:11:08.970 --> 01:11:10.830
Libby have probably has one trimline

1323
01:11:10.830 --> 01:11:12.840
fiber in it I\'m not gonna go Paul you

1324
01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:14.460
owe me a new set of jeans because of

1325
01:11:14.460 --> 01:11:15.870
that you get its best oh this is you\'re

1326
01:11:15.870 --> 01:11:18.420
suing my ass later though aren\'t you by

1327
01:11:18.420 --> 01:11:20.040
the time we do the first five or six

1328
01:11:20.040 --> 01:11:25.040
houses we figure out just remember you

1329
01:11:46.140 --> 01:11:47.760
sure to be 20 million on this year\'s

1330
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:50.430
budget my actual budget request for

1331
01:11:50.430 --> 01:11:52.500
getting through here was 44 million in

1332
01:11:52.500 --> 01:11:54.300
the gave me 24 so right off the bat I

1333
01:11:54.300 --> 01:11:57.230
say I want 20

1334
01:12:14.050 --> 01:12:19.050
at what time right now yes sir yeah if

1335
01:12:22.990 --> 01:12:24.190
you remember Tom when I actually

1336
01:12:24.190 --> 01:12:25.660
submitted a budget for this year in

1337
01:12:25.660 --> 01:12:29.850
these houses I\'d said 44 million and

1338
01:12:29.850 --> 01:12:32.830
basically I was told 24 is what you get

1339
01:12:32.830 --> 01:12:34.960
make everything look like it fits it and

1340
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:37.510
that\'s what I did and as a matter of

1341
01:12:37.510 --> 01:12:39.820
fact at the time not that I\'m being you

1342
01:12:39.820 --> 01:12:42.750
know snippy about this you know I

1343
01:12:42.750 --> 01:12:46.150
somewhat objected to the process but if

1344
01:12:46.150 --> 01:12:47.440
you want to say where\'s the real

1345
01:12:47.440 --> 01:12:50.560
shortfall well it\'s all across the board

1346
01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:54.820
the the estimate for that the the number

1347
01:12:54.820 --> 01:12:58.710
of properties I mean we basically shaved

1348
01:12:58.710 --> 01:13:01.780
the budget items to fit the money we

1349
01:13:01.780 --> 01:13:04.420
were told we are going to get Tom you

1350
01:13:04.420 --> 01:13:06.870
also may be shaved the cost per home

1351
01:13:06.870 --> 01:13:09.430
because you thought it looked bad right

1352
01:13:09.430 --> 01:13:12.070
I shaved off all the bloody budget items

1353
01:13:12.070 --> 01:13:13.120
because he thought there was a too big

1354
01:13:13.120 --> 01:13:15.930
of a sticker shock all right you know so

1355
01:13:15.930 --> 01:13:19.300
you know my frustration is past it all

1356
01:13:19.300 --> 01:13:22.330
right these guys hack it arbitrarily to

1357
01:13:22.330 --> 01:13:24.700
a new number I live with that they tell

1358
01:13:24.700 --> 01:13:26.590
me to make you the numbers I live with

1359
01:13:26.590 --> 01:13:28.780
that but they don\'t then turn around and

1360
01:13:28.780 --> 01:13:33.780
make me frigging accountable for him all

1361
01:13:51.820 --> 01:13:55.900
right powers plays yes yes yes it\'s a go

1362
01:13:55.900 --> 01:13:58.570
powers God he\'s got to have that crap

1363
01:13:58.570 --> 01:14:00.190
everywhere in his bloody house and all

1364
01:14:00.190 --> 01:14:02.440
those fibers and stuff oh yeah you guys

1365
01:14:02.440 --> 01:14:04.450
maybe stop by and visit my I\'m gonna do

1366
01:14:04.450 --> 01:14:08.130
some poking around again yeah good today

1367
01:14:08.130 --> 01:14:13.130
please right that\'s what I was sweeping

1368
01:14:14.950 --> 01:14:16.660
up off the floor upstairs on the kitchen

1369
01:14:16.660 --> 01:14:21.660
floor so so it\'s falling through those

1370
01:14:22.510 --> 01:14:25.210
lugs somewhere right yeah it\'s coming

1371
01:14:25.210 --> 01:14:26.710
all the way from because you Eddie

1372
01:14:26.710 --> 01:14:28.600
because you guys were you did last

1373
01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:30.130
spring and now it\'s falling in there

1374
01:14:30.130 --> 01:14:31.180
again

1375
01:14:31.180 --> 01:14:36.180
yeah I\'m saying yeah sometimes I kind of

1376
01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:55.480
joke about things but if you didn\'t if

1377
01:14:55.480 --> 01:14:56.830
you couldn\'t have a sense of humor and

1378
01:14:56.830 --> 01:14:58.210
joke about it you\'d have to cry it

1379
01:14:58.210 --> 01:15:00.820
sometimes I do but I first learned of

1380
01:15:00.820 --> 01:15:03.220
all this and I was very angry and very

1381
01:15:03.220 --> 01:15:05.710
upset and hurt they won\'t take these

1382
01:15:05.710 --> 01:15:08.200
trees or anything we don\'t know it

1383
01:15:08.200 --> 01:15:09.580
depends on what we finally take the

1384
01:15:09.580 --> 01:15:11.380
sample so we get the sample results back

1385
01:15:11.380 --> 01:15:13.660
well firstly try and save anything we

1386
01:15:13.660 --> 01:15:16.020
can save

1387
01:15:17.580 --> 01:15:22.580
this one of the originals only signs

1388
01:15:24.040 --> 01:15:28.030
here they found on the property well the

1389
01:15:28.030 --> 01:15:29.230
good thing about a lot of this stuff is

1390
01:15:29.230 --> 01:15:34.230
Elmo that\'s really the only thing that

1391
01:15:34.390 --> 01:15:36.550
we can guarantee that we could you know

1392
01:15:36.550 --> 01:15:38.080
perfectly clean

1393
01:15:38.080 --> 01:15:40.780
you know that\'s the the goal that we\'re

1394
01:15:40.780 --> 01:15:42.340
we\'re getting towards and removing all

1395
01:15:42.340 --> 01:15:46.900
the point sources little did I know this

1396
01:15:46.900 --> 01:15:49.590
the place I loved was going to kill me

1397
01:15:49.590 --> 01:15:51.940
because I\'d never dreamed that I would

1398
01:15:51.940 --> 01:15:55.330
end up with asbestosis or anything of

1399
01:15:55.330 --> 01:15:55.840
that nature

1400
01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:59.590
hey shudder to think to my wife and my

1401
01:15:59.590 --> 01:16:02.800
children and may end up with it and now

1402
01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:04.540
I\'ve got another generation my

1403
01:16:04.540 --> 01:16:05.920
grandchildren are crawling around on

1404
01:16:05.920 --> 01:16:08.320
these same floors and he just it just

1405
01:16:08.320 --> 01:16:11.830
scared me to death but I don\'t have any

1406
01:16:11.830 --> 01:16:12.630
place to go

1407
01:16:12.630 --> 01:16:16.540
this is where we live they can\'t afford

1408
01:16:16.540 --> 01:16:18.460
to live in two places or to abandon this

1409
01:16:18.460 --> 01:16:21.700
one I mean that\'s it\'s in place you know

1410
01:16:21.700 --> 01:16:23.110
it\'ll be sealed you could probably do

1411
01:16:23.110 --> 01:16:24.550
maintenance Warren and all that stuff

1412
01:16:24.550 --> 01:16:26.820
but if anybody ever does a demolition

1413
01:16:26.820 --> 01:16:31.210
Wow the only other real option like is

1414
01:16:31.210 --> 01:16:32.920
once you get to that is that the whole

1415
01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:36.100
thing comes down level the whole thing

1416
01:16:36.100 --> 01:16:37.920
to some sort of other replacement

1417
01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:40.510
anything from my flourish new prefab

1418
01:16:40.510 --> 01:16:41.950
spring or we build you know the pole

1419
01:16:41.950 --> 01:16:44.830
barn okay so that\'s the typo barns load

1420
01:16:44.830 --> 01:16:49.830
mark and this bar is unusual in

1421
01:16:52.758 --> 01:16:56.369
my preference would be not to take this

1422
01:16:56.369 --> 01:16:57.570
building down I\'m looking at it because

1423
01:16:57.570 --> 01:17:00.149
it\'s it\'s pretty nice construction

1424
01:17:00.149 --> 01:17:04.289
history the property here again one more

1425
01:17:04.289 --> 01:17:06.209
time it leaves that issue that there\'s

1426
01:17:06.209 --> 01:17:07.199
stuff left behind

1427
01:17:07.199 --> 01:17:09.479
you got an idea what you prefer and you

1428
01:17:09.479 --> 01:17:10.530
want to think about that for a while

1429
01:17:10.530 --> 01:17:12.959
well you know I like the building put a

1430
01:17:12.959 --> 01:17:17.959
lot into it you want a crowbar you can

1431
01:17:21.389 --> 01:17:26.249
have all you one of them so blue bar pie

1432
01:17:26.249 --> 01:17:29.309
which I have to say I hate absolutely

1433
01:17:29.309 --> 01:17:32.219
actually if this or this all right

1434
01:17:32.219 --> 01:17:37.219
rhubarb is good for your stomach help

1435
01:17:40.559 --> 01:17:43.139
lower your cholesterol stand your hair

1436
01:17:43.139 --> 01:17:47.129
straight on in all right so on that

1437
01:17:47.129 --> 01:17:49.829
wild-ass concept might ask me how long

1438
01:17:49.829 --> 01:17:52.939
and I said at least three three months

1439
01:17:52.939 --> 01:17:57.939
go out here yeah yeah click on the

1440
01:17:58.229 --> 01:18:03.209
cleanup side yeah Mona might immediately

1441
01:18:03.209 --> 01:18:07.019
choose as a Carol when we\'re looking

1442
01:18:07.019 --> 01:18:09.030
this on the spot I\'ve never actually had

1443
01:18:09.030 --> 01:18:11.399
to pasture cattle before so I\'d have no

1444
01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:14.550
idea which that cost to put a cow out so

1445
01:18:14.550 --> 01:18:16.469
well probably be about forty dollars a

1446
01:18:16.469 --> 01:18:21.469
head per month and 20 for the calves the

1447
01:18:21.559 --> 01:18:23.999
way this projects gone it this doesn\'t

1448
01:18:23.999 --> 01:18:25.050
matter what I\'m talking about

1449
01:18:25.050 --> 01:18:27.059
everything here is complicated every

1450
01:18:27.059 --> 01:18:28.800
project every site there\'s not only the

1451
01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:31.610
nuances of the cleanup itself but

1452
01:18:31.610 --> 01:18:33.770
Jesus I\'m gonna do a cleanup and I gotta

1453
01:18:33.770 --> 01:18:35.750
find passage for bloody cattle I got a

1454
01:18:35.750 --> 01:18:38.119
deal with Historic Preservation Act from

1455
01:18:38.119 --> 01:18:38.900
his barns

1456
01:18:38.900 --> 01:18:40.590
[Music]

1457
01:18:40.590 --> 01:18:42.270
each homeowner sort of has their

1458
01:18:42.270 --> 01:18:44.309
particulars about what what they want

1459
01:18:44.309 --> 01:18:47.010
how they want it so it\'s we always have

1460
01:18:47.010 --> 01:18:48.510
the joke there aren\'t any camis up here

1461
01:18:48.510 --> 01:18:51.289
and it is

1462
01:18:51.289 --> 01:18:53.060
this doesn\'t matter what it is we do up

1463
01:18:53.060 --> 01:18:55.250
here there\'s billion details

1464
01:18:55.250 --> 01:18:58.310
[Music]

1465
01:18:58.310 --> 01:19:02.920
if is easy the Boy Scouts we got him

1466
01:19:02.920 --> 01:19:06.880
[Music]

1467
01:19:11.230 --> 01:19:16.230
[Music]

1468
01:19:21.650 --> 01:19:26.650
[Music]

1469
01:19:33.590 --> 01:19:36.749
[Music]

1470
01:19:36.749 --> 01:19:40.570
yeah trees of this gala I just had a

1471
01:19:40.570 --> 01:19:42.699
call from Rose arse pharmacy grace is

1472
01:19:42.699 --> 01:19:45.280
denying some of the medications no

1473
01:19:45.280 --> 01:19:46.540
kiddin have you got a list of what

1474
01:19:46.540 --> 01:19:49.449
they\'re denying okay all right let me

1475
01:19:49.449 --> 01:19:52.210
know love I know blood pressure

1476
01:19:52.210 --> 01:19:54.969
medication whatsoever Vioxx no prilosec

1477
01:19:54.969 --> 01:19:59.969
no credits on yes no one\'s come in for

1478
01:20:00.760 --> 01:20:05.760
inhalers yet every day there\'s something

1479
01:20:07.300 --> 01:20:10.080
else that has come up it\'s just another

1480
01:20:10.080 --> 01:20:12.940
another step in there cutting the

1481
01:20:12.940 --> 01:20:15.820
medical plan off and and the only

1482
01:20:15.820 --> 01:20:17.440
salvation they had on even staying

1483
01:20:17.440 --> 01:20:20.469
healthy in life was that that the grace

1484
01:20:20.469 --> 01:20:23.190
plan was paying for these vital

1485
01:20:23.190 --> 01:20:25.810
medications thing it\'s just it\'s

1486
01:20:25.810 --> 01:20:26.460
frustrating

1487
01:20:26.460 --> 01:20:29.820
absolutely recipe

1488
01:20:47.200 --> 01:20:52.200
the only definitive thing to come out of

1489
01:20:53.270 --> 01:20:55.640
the meeting with the EPA was nothing

1490
01:20:55.640 --> 01:20:58.880
definitive if there was any decision to

1491
01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:00.800
come out of the to EPA meetings this

1492
01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:04.430
week it was no decision the EPA is

1493
01:21:04.430 --> 01:21:06.590
promoting the listing of the community

1494
01:21:06.590 --> 01:21:08.540
and the mine site on the National

1495
01:21:08.540 --> 01:21:11.390
Priorities List but it seems that they

1496
01:21:11.390 --> 01:21:14.240
are not being heard it seems like to me

1497
01:21:14.240 --> 01:21:16.040
there\'s some sensationalism going on

1498
01:21:16.040 --> 01:21:18.200
here and some of these things are being

1499
01:21:18.200 --> 01:21:20.960
blown out of proportion and I\'m just

1500
01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:23.120
really trying to understand what the

1501
01:21:23.120 --> 01:21:25.220
problem is I\'m hearing week 7,000 hair

1502
01:21:25.220 --> 01:21:27.260
samples come back good I\'ve never said I

1503
01:21:27.260 --> 01:21:29.320
had 7,000 hair samples come back good

1504
01:21:29.320 --> 01:21:32.390
both most of my air samples are

1505
01:21:32.390 --> 01:21:34.280
monitoring in and around the perimeter

1506
01:21:34.280 --> 01:21:36.320
or from people who are working on the

1507
01:21:36.320 --> 01:21:38.180
sites and I got to tell you what they

1508
01:21:38.180 --> 01:21:40.550
showed me load of fibers around these

1509
01:21:40.550 --> 01:21:42.770
sites we get a question is it safe to

1510
01:21:42.770 --> 01:21:45.560
travel in livvie yeah as long as you\'re

1511
01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:48.140
not humping around one of these sites we

1512
01:21:48.140 --> 01:21:50.270
may be able to do this without becoming

1513
01:21:50.270 --> 01:21:53.210
an NPL site and I think that\'s the

1514
01:21:53.210 --> 01:21:55.970
option we have to look at the reason I

1515
01:21:55.970 --> 01:21:58.040
brought up the issues of Superfund we\'re

1516
01:21:58.040 --> 01:22:00.160
just trying to get at guaranteeing

1517
01:22:00.160 --> 01:22:03.710
long-term funding and sort of the

1518
01:22:03.710 --> 01:22:05.510
guarantee that this will get seen fruit

1519
01:22:05.510 --> 01:22:08.630
to the ends in our last CAG meeting when

1520
01:22:08.630 --> 01:22:10.460
we had represented from the EPA

1521
01:22:10.460 --> 01:22:14.570
discussing the Superfund he brought up

1522
01:22:14.570 --> 01:22:18.080
one more item that would that would keep

1523
01:22:18.080 --> 01:22:21.080
us from becoming a Superfund site and he

1524
01:22:21.080 --> 01:22:23.330
said if somebody was willing to

1525
01:22:23.330 --> 01:22:27.050
volunteer to do the cleanup

1526
01:22:27.050 --> 01:22:30.260
and that would be WR grace his double

1527
01:22:30.260 --> 01:22:32.510
yard grace is that what is that what I

1528
01:22:32.510 --> 01:22:34.700
hear that you\'re volunteering to do the

1529
01:22:34.700 --> 01:22:37.390
cleanup Paul is still in it middle

1530
01:22:37.390 --> 01:22:39.310
investigations he is still trying to

1531
01:22:39.310 --> 01:22:41.830
find out where there are problem we

1532
01:22:41.830 --> 01:22:43.390
identified the export we\'ve identified

1533
01:22:43.390 --> 01:22:45.220
the screen plan there\'s the issue with

1534
01:22:45.220 --> 01:22:47.470
with the tracks and things like that let

1535
01:22:47.470 --> 01:22:48.730
him do his work

1536
01:22:48.730 --> 01:22:50.920
let him identify where the problems are

1537
01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:53.410
this has gotten completely off track of

1538
01:22:53.410 --> 01:22:56.650
what needs to be done we have people on

1539
01:22:56.650 --> 01:22:59.590
our side that rub people wrong they got

1540
01:22:59.590 --> 01:23:01.420
people on their side that wrote people

1541
01:23:01.420 --> 01:23:03.280
over we\'ve gotten perpendicular each

1542
01:23:03.280 --> 01:23:06.340
other we got to get back parallel yeah I

1543
01:23:06.340 --> 01:23:08.620
disagree we went to grace with the

1544
01:23:08.620 --> 01:23:09.880
creative problem and you told us what

1545
01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:11.110
you\'re going to doing our property and

1546
01:23:11.110 --> 01:23:12.520
we weighed out what you\'re gonna do and

1547
01:23:12.520 --> 01:23:13.840
we weighed out what Paul was gonna do

1548
01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:16.870
night and day difference you told us we

1549
01:23:16.870 --> 01:23:18.760
didn\'t like it can I go to court will

1550
01:23:18.760 --> 01:23:20.260
see in five or seven years so what grace

1551
01:23:20.260 --> 01:23:23.140
to grace we thank Ron thanks grace it\'ll

1552
01:23:23.140 --> 01:23:25.240
be a cold in hell before EPA allows

1553
01:23:25.240 --> 01:23:26.860
double your equations on the rain

1554
01:23:26.860 --> 01:23:28.210
pre-nursing property after we\'ve been

1555
01:23:28.210 --> 01:23:30.250
treated by W our grace there\'s only one

1556
01:23:30.250 --> 01:23:32.440
way that we would have W our grace do

1557
01:23:32.440 --> 01:23:35.140
cleanups under EPA supervision ever

1558
01:23:35.140 --> 01:23:37.000
again anywhere in Libya and that is if

1559
01:23:37.000 --> 01:23:39.010
they agree to sign an administrative

1560
01:23:39.010 --> 01:23:41.050
order on consent we\'ve had one

1561
01:23:41.050 --> 01:23:42.880
outstanding with WR grace since February

1562
01:23:42.880 --> 01:23:44.710
of 1999 I\'ve never gotten written

1563
01:23:44.710 --> 01:23:47.950
comments back on it at all where they

1564
01:23:47.950 --> 01:23:49.930
agree what do the cleanups with our

1565
01:23:49.930 --> 01:23:52.690
direction without arguing over cleanup

1566
01:23:52.690 --> 01:23:57.690
levels as we specify absent the

1567
01:23:59.980 --> 01:24:01.750
administrative order on consent what

1568
01:24:01.750 --> 01:24:03.940
I\'ve laid out for you we\'re not going to

1569
01:24:03.940 --> 01:24:05.260
have the Emir great student anymore work

1570
01:24:05.260 --> 01:24:07.060
on the air the unilateral order and the

1571
01:24:07.060 --> 01:24:08.590
enforcement we\'ve done out at the export

1572
01:24:08.590 --> 01:24:11.710
plant has been my worst experience with

1573
01:24:11.710 --> 01:24:13.060
the responsible party and doing a

1574
01:24:13.060 --> 01:24:15.010
cleanup and I\'ve done closely doesn\'t

1575
01:24:15.010 --> 01:24:18.520
responsible cleanups that never happen

1576
01:24:18.520 --> 01:24:23.520
[Music]

1577
01:24:34.150 --> 01:24:39.150
I think governor Mart\'s I don\'t think

1578
01:24:39.270 --> 01:24:42.780
that she has been you know very helpful

1579
01:24:42.780 --> 01:24:45.630
we had been trying to get her to come to

1580
01:24:45.630 --> 01:24:47.760
Libby and meet with the advisory group

1581
01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:49.890
meet with people and Libby meet with the

1582
01:24:49.890 --> 01:24:51.420
victims meet was business community

1583
01:24:51.420 --> 01:24:53.220
meeting was anybody that wanted to meet

1584
01:24:53.220 --> 01:24:55.470
with her to try to figure out what what

1585
01:24:55.470 --> 01:24:56.820
we wanted you know what what Libby

1586
01:24:56.820 --> 01:24:58.770
needed to do that never happened that

1587
01:24:58.770 --> 01:25:00.150
never happened it never happened and

1588
01:25:00.150 --> 01:25:03.540
finally she had that meeting with WR

1589
01:25:03.540 --> 01:25:05.400
Grace and and started coming out of

1590
01:25:05.400 --> 01:25:06.990
there is just dragging her feet it\'s

1591
01:25:06.990 --> 01:25:09.750
like they have there\'s a couple ways

1592
01:25:09.750 --> 01:25:12.090
that you can you can deal with those

1593
01:25:12.090 --> 01:25:13.710
people and you can ask them politely

1594
01:25:13.710 --> 01:25:16.320
which she was asked politely to come to

1595
01:25:16.320 --> 01:25:18.480
Libby committee advisory group sent her

1596
01:25:18.480 --> 01:25:21.060
a letter and then you can embarrass him

1597
01:25:21.060 --> 01:25:23.220
I went on the internet and got a map

1598
01:25:23.220 --> 01:25:28.220
from Helena to Libby and I sent a letter

1599
01:25:29.070 --> 01:25:31.370
along with it in a letter says

1600
01:25:31.370 --> 01:25:33.930
apparently following the recent

1601
01:25:33.930 --> 01:25:36.240
instructions you received from WR racial

1602
01:25:36.240 --> 01:25:38.730
officials they forgot to give the

1603
01:25:38.730 --> 01:25:39.840
self-described

1604
01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:42.150
industry lap dog traveling directions to

1605
01:25:42.150 --> 01:25:44.580
Libby and I said I have enclosed them

1606
01:25:44.580 --> 01:25:47.370
for you I waited about three days and

1607
01:25:47.370 --> 01:25:49.230
then I sent it out to newspapers in the

1608
01:25:49.230 --> 01:25:50.610
state of Montana and then it played in

1609
01:25:50.610 --> 01:25:52.590
the newspapers about two or three days

1610
01:25:52.590 --> 01:25:56.490
later and all of a sudden she calls up

1611
01:25:56.490 --> 01:26:00.290
or tell somebody she\'s coming living

1612
01:26:04.190 --> 01:26:09.190
welcome to the Vigo my name is Edward

1613
01:26:14.900 --> 01:26:19.900
Bernie live in Montana I had asbestos my

1614
01:26:21.920 --> 01:26:23.510
concern is where is the government then

1615
01:26:23.510 --> 01:26:25.070
in the best or it\'s going to be in the

1616
01:26:25.070 --> 01:26:25.670
future

1617
01:26:25.670 --> 01:26:28.760
they\'ve known about asbestos since the

1618
01:26:28.760 --> 01:26:31.520
late seventies and early eighties they

1619
01:26:31.520 --> 01:26:32.780
couldn\'t have done this without the

1620
01:26:32.780 --> 01:26:35.960
sanction and Fontana government this is

1621
01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:38.270
a crime scene there\'s been a lot of

1622
01:26:38.270 --> 01:26:42.050
deaths of living it was the government

1623
01:26:42.050 --> 01:26:44.650
gonna do anything

1624
01:26:49.160 --> 01:26:54.160
[Applause]

1625
01:27:09.630 --> 01:27:12.719
my name is a Paul character but my wife

1626
01:27:12.719 --> 01:27:14.520
tells me I live with the super 8 I\'m

1627
01:27:14.520 --> 01:27:17.880
down the street here I\'ll be the first

1628
01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:19.530
one to admit I\'m not proud of India\'s

1629
01:27:19.530 --> 01:27:21.750
history up here and we need to be

1630
01:27:21.750 --> 01:27:23.130
watched and we need to be held

1631
01:27:23.130 --> 01:27:24.449
accountable for our actions here today

1632
01:27:24.449 --> 01:27:27.140
and those folks have looked out the

1633
01:27:27.140 --> 01:27:29.130
Leadville and some of the other larger

1634
01:27:29.130 --> 01:27:30.600
Superfund site to say we don\'t want to

1635
01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:32.989
be talking about this 15 years from now

1636
01:27:32.989 --> 01:27:36.210
honest to god I don\'t even like come up

1637
01:27:36.210 --> 01:27:37.620
with fishing sometime they\'re supposed

1638
01:27:37.620 --> 01:27:41.429
to work so I\'m with you on this and what

1639
01:27:41.429 --> 01:27:43.770
needs to be done is we need to

1640
01:27:43.770 --> 01:27:46.590
systematically go through the town rock

1641
01:27:46.590 --> 01:27:49.080
we buy property say it\'s cleaner it\'s

1642
01:27:49.080 --> 01:27:52.890
not it\'s not clean it up and get the

1643
01:27:52.890 --> 01:27:55.620
monkey off our back yes I think we\'re on

1644
01:27:55.620 --> 01:27:56.940
the way to do that if we just keep the

1645
01:27:56.940 --> 01:28:00.080
momentum we have going now

1646
01:28:03.020 --> 01:28:08.020
I truly am NOT a typical politician but

1647
01:28:09.680 --> 01:28:11.540
I want to be blatantly honest with you

1648
01:28:11.540 --> 01:28:12.980
people you are the ones that live here

1649
01:28:12.980 --> 01:28:16.720
you are the ones that have this

1650
01:28:16.720 --> 01:28:19.720
diagnosis living inside of yourselves

1651
01:28:19.720 --> 01:28:22.970
I\'m a family of six kids a mother of two

1652
01:28:22.970 --> 01:28:23.510
children

1653
01:28:23.510 --> 01:28:26.000
you think it doesn\'t hurt me when I see

1654
01:28:26.000 --> 01:28:31.000
her your kids have this yes can I fix it

1655
01:28:31.490 --> 01:28:35.990
no I\'ll sure pray for you Edward you

1656
01:28:35.990 --> 01:28:37.700
said where has government been and where

1657
01:28:37.700 --> 01:28:40.280
are we now we\'re here so quit

1658
01:28:40.280 --> 01:28:42.320
criticizing condemning and complaining

1659
01:28:42.320 --> 01:28:44.920
work with us

1660
01:28:47.410 --> 01:28:52.410
and the last ten years under the

1661
01:28:55.520 --> 01:28:57.770
sanction of us okay hearing thank you

1662
01:28:57.770 --> 01:29:00.739
all I\'m saying is laying blame won\'t get

1663
01:29:00.739 --> 01:29:01.540
us nowhere

1664
01:29:01.540 --> 01:29:04.730
tomorrow afternoon you\'ll be frustrated

1665
01:29:04.730 --> 01:29:08.270
you\'ll be sick still and we\'d be losing

1666
01:29:08.270 --> 01:29:11.260
your businesses still which is sick too

1667
01:29:11.260 --> 01:29:14.000
you can\'t pay your loans for the banks

1668
01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:15.620
because you\'ve got a business in this

1669
01:29:15.620 --> 01:29:18.469
wonderful place that\'s sick too won\'t

1670
01:29:18.469 --> 01:29:20.750
kill you but it\'s sick when you can\'t

1671
01:29:20.750 --> 01:29:24.020
raise your family so I just thank you

1672
01:29:24.020 --> 01:29:26.180
all I think to really try to work

1673
01:29:26.180 --> 01:29:28.790
together we are going to work the

1674
01:29:28.790 --> 01:29:30.469
cleanup will be done we\'ll get it done

1675
01:29:30.469 --> 01:29:33.340
as hastily as possible but do it right

1676
01:29:33.340 --> 01:29:36.680
fast is not always good but if you could

1677
01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:38.690
do this in three years that\'s a small

1678
01:29:38.690 --> 01:29:42.170
glimpse in all of our lives maybe not

1679
01:29:42.170 --> 01:29:45.800
some of yours but in ours to clean it up

1680
01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:47.660
we got to stay on it and I and I

1681
01:29:47.660 --> 01:29:49.430
sympathize I truly do and I\'ll be

1682
01:29:49.430 --> 01:29:50.810
praying for you as I have been

1683
01:29:50.810 --> 01:29:54.760
Larke bless you all thank you so much

1684
01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:02.920
but today I\'ve seen some effects to

1685
01:30:03.390 --> 01:30:05.520
actually to the people and the

1686
01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:07.600
businesses

1687
01:30:07.600 --> 01:30:10.270
those things away on me too and I want

1688
01:30:10.270 --> 01:30:12.790
to see the community grow and thrive so

1689
01:30:12.790 --> 01:30:14.680
there are there are several issues here

1690
01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:19.680
not just take out a solution but the

1691
01:30:34.330 --> 01:30:39.300
installation yeah resistance inside

1692
01:30:39.540 --> 01:30:44.540
shouldn\'t stop us here okay that\'s my

1693
01:30:48.610 --> 01:30:53.610
worry there okay - dear 7/7 us right to

1694
01:30:54.280 --> 01:30:55.870
be out of you good news this is imposed

1695
01:30:55.870 --> 01:30:58.600
right that\'s a good point yeah be the

1696
01:30:58.600 --> 01:31:00.010
one thing that\'s a really good point

1697
01:31:00.010 --> 01:31:02.830
tell me work on that

1698
01:31:02.830 --> 01:31:07.830
[Music]

1699
01:31:08.270 --> 01:31:13.270
camera sound Lincoln County probably

1700
01:31:14.640 --> 01:31:18.540
have asbestos that\'s a thousand but

1701
01:31:18.540 --> 01:31:23.540
should we take down the other 9,000 you

1702
01:31:25.950 --> 01:31:27.510
don\'t need to jump into something and

1703
01:31:27.510 --> 01:31:29.820
it\'s gonna take down our economic so

1704
01:31:29.820 --> 01:31:30.900
that we know there\'s some of those

1705
01:31:30.900 --> 01:31:34.460
people that are here today

1706
01:31:34.460 --> 01:31:37.930
and I have assured it because I do and I

1707
01:31:37.930 --> 01:31:38.739
work

1708
01:31:38.739 --> 01:31:41.710
that you will take all the sites of

1709
01:31:41.710 --> 01:31:44.700
incineration

1710
01:31:44.700 --> 01:31:48.900
[Music]

1711
01:31:48.900 --> 01:31:53.900
although practice thanks Heidi well the

1712
01:31:56.199 --> 01:31:58.090
governor has just wrapped up a very busy

1713
01:31:58.090 --> 01:32:00.010
day her first visit to Libby since

1714
01:32:00.010 --> 01:32:01.570
asbestos contamination was discovered

1715
01:32:01.570 --> 01:32:04.030
here a few years ago and at the heart of

1716
01:32:04.030 --> 01:32:06.010
every conversation is the designation of

1717
01:32:06.010 --> 01:32:08.110
Libya\'s Superfund site the Chamber of

1718
01:32:08.110 --> 01:32:09.880
Commerce just wrapped up and told her

1719
01:32:09.880 --> 01:32:11.679
that they were against the idea saying

1720
01:32:11.679 --> 01:32:13.360
the economic impact would be terrible

1721
01:32:13.360 --> 01:32:15.699
but the governor also met with over 200

1722
01:32:15.699 --> 01:32:17.499
residents who say a Superfund site is

1723
01:32:17.499 --> 01:32:19.119
necessary to cleaning up the town as

1724
01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:21.400
much as possible and Governor Martin she

1725
01:32:21.400 --> 01:32:22.809
wants to gather even more feedback

1726
01:32:22.809 --> 01:32:24.340
before she makes her final

1727
01:32:24.340 --> 01:32:26.650
recommendation live in Libby I\'m Lee

1728
01:32:26.650 --> 01:32:29.500
Stoll reporting back to you

1729
01:32:29.500 --> 01:32:34.500
[Music]

1730
01:32:54.520 --> 01:32:58.040
tomorrow is the day when they have to be

1731
01:32:58.040 --> 01:33:00.800
convinced that the EPA to do if I\'m sure

1732
01:33:00.800 --> 01:33:02.810
I do it and and and the governor is

1733
01:33:02.810 --> 01:33:04.430
concerned about wor grace paying for

1734
01:33:04.430 --> 01:33:06.050
this that\'s been her you know they want

1735
01:33:06.050 --> 01:33:07.760
wr\'s raise to pay for it well the simple

1736
01:33:07.760 --> 01:33:12.610
fact is WR grace is not going to pay for

1737
01:33:12.610 --> 01:33:15.890
higher l w your courage whatever good

1738
01:33:15.890 --> 01:33:17.690
that\'s gonna do well they\'ll bill yeah

1739
01:33:17.690 --> 01:33:20.420
but there\'s the bankruptcy they\'re going

1740
01:33:20.420 --> 01:33:22.100
through now I mean let\'s let\'s face it

1741
01:33:22.100 --> 01:33:24.170
well there\'s two they still got billions

1742
01:33:24.170 --> 01:33:26.150
of dollars definite sighs a lot of that

1743
01:33:26.150 --> 01:33:28.040
in that big diversified employer but

1744
01:33:28.040 --> 01:33:29.420
this shit on business ill they still

1745
01:33:29.420 --> 01:33:31.520
have note billions adult yeah really

1746
01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:32.600
naughty CNA George there are

1747
01:33:32.600 --> 01:33:34.550
dishonorable company yeah there is no

1748
01:33:34.550 --> 01:33:36.230
honorable company I wouldn\'t trust him

1749
01:33:36.230 --> 01:33:38.620
for a sec

1750
01:33:38.620 --> 01:33:43.620
I am here today to give you my personal

1751
01:33:47.390 --> 01:33:51.350
assurance that the EPA is committed to

1752
01:33:51.350 --> 01:33:54.410
seeing them to the full and final

1753
01:33:54.410 --> 01:33:58.430
completion you were protection of your

1754
01:33:58.430 --> 01:34:01.790
health the health of your families we\'re

1755
01:34:01.790 --> 01:34:04.250
here to see that that job is done and

1756
01:34:04.250 --> 01:34:06.500
done right and done thoroughly and we\'re

1757
01:34:06.500 --> 01:34:11.500
not going to leave until it is my name

1758
01:34:11.780 --> 01:34:14.540
is Alex grace I\'ve been accused to be in

1759
01:34:14.540 --> 01:34:17.060
the rep over at this time real proud of

1760
01:34:17.060 --> 01:34:21.770
that because I have an asbestos case I\'m

1761
01:34:21.770 --> 01:34:26.770
not really a disabled customer I spent

1762
01:34:32.120 --> 01:34:34.190
ten years investigating homicides and

1763
01:34:34.190 --> 01:34:37.010
rapes and crimes in Lincoln County

1764
01:34:37.010 --> 01:34:38.300
I should have been investigating the

1765
01:34:38.300 --> 01:34:39.860
crimes that were occurring up on the

1766
01:34:39.860 --> 01:34:44.860
hill w our grace committed homicide and

1767
01:34:44.990 --> 01:34:47.510
I don\'t know administrator Whitman if

1768
01:34:47.510 --> 01:34:48.740
they\'re ever going to be held

1769
01:34:48.740 --> 01:34:52.160
accountable I\'m a small business owner I

1770
01:34:52.160 --> 01:34:55.460
have a concern about the life of the

1771
01:34:55.460 --> 01:34:58.040
community as a whole our resource based

1772
01:34:58.040 --> 01:35:00.590
industries have been hit tremendously

1773
01:35:00.590 --> 01:35:04.780
and now this possible Superfund site and

1774
01:35:04.780 --> 01:35:09.780
all the bad press of our dangerous

1775
01:35:11.720 --> 01:35:13.960
community as some people think

1776
01:35:13.960 --> 01:35:16.450
pardon me if I don\'t necessarily trust

1777
01:35:16.450 --> 01:35:21.010
the EPA\'s opinion whether it is or is it

1778
01:35:21.010 --> 01:35:22.850
whatever the decision

1779
01:35:22.850 --> 01:35:25.250
it\'s the final decision on NBL listing I

1780
01:35:25.250 --> 01:35:26.570
will tell you that we at the

1781
01:35:26.570 --> 01:35:28.280
Environmental Protection Agency this

1782
01:35:28.280 --> 01:35:30.590
administration this president is going

1783
01:35:30.590 --> 01:35:32.780
to make sure we stay here thank you very

1784
01:35:32.780 --> 01:35:36.310
very much for your time here today

1785
01:35:39.610 --> 01:35:44.180
it\'s exciting for us to have that

1786
01:35:44.180 --> 01:35:46.640
opportunity to bring you Christy to

1787
01:35:46.640 --> 01:35:50.140
Libby Montana to see firsthand the paint

1788
01:35:50.140 --> 01:35:53.330
that the residents feel knowing that

1789
01:35:53.330 --> 01:35:54.950
President Bush felt the confidence in

1790
01:35:54.950 --> 01:35:56.810
you to put you in that position and will

1791
01:35:56.810 --> 01:35:59.450
have an opportunity to move great

1792
01:35:59.450 --> 01:36:02.540
strides to solve this problem question

1793
01:36:02.540 --> 01:36:04.460
where Governor March your concluding

1794
01:36:04.460 --> 01:36:06.740
remarks you said something about unique

1795
01:36:06.740 --> 01:36:08.660
to you would like to hear more from the

1796
01:36:08.660 --> 01:36:10.850
people of Libya but for the first time

1797
01:36:10.850 --> 01:36:13.990
today we heard officials local officials

1798
01:36:13.990 --> 01:36:17.810
clearly support and endorse national

1799
01:36:17.810 --> 01:36:19.280
listing the county commissioners

1800
01:36:19.280 --> 01:36:21.380
endorsed that the city of living

1801
01:36:21.380 --> 01:36:23.960
endorsed that and cattigan doorstep I

1802
01:36:23.960 --> 01:36:26.180
guess I\'m not certain what more do you

1803
01:36:26.180 --> 01:36:28.700
need to hear from the people of Libya is

1804
01:36:28.700 --> 01:36:32.270
that not a clear endorsement of the

1805
01:36:32.270 --> 01:36:33.800
national priority list that\'s a good

1806
01:36:33.800 --> 01:36:36.380
point that\'s a clear-cut message the the

1807
01:36:36.380 --> 01:36:38.570
one constituency I have not heard from

1808
01:36:38.570 --> 01:36:42.410
to any length it is is the business

1809
01:36:42.410 --> 01:36:44.600
community and I would just like to hear

1810
01:36:44.600 --> 01:36:46.580
what their their concerns are so we get

1811
01:36:46.580 --> 01:36:48.560
those questions answered I can\'t do it

1812
01:36:48.560 --> 01:36:50.210
day after tomorrow because we don\'t know

1813
01:36:50.210 --> 01:36:51.010
that that

1814
01:36:51.010 --> 01:36:56.010
[Music]

1815
01:37:33.750 --> 01:37:36.040
good afternoon everybody I we can

1816
01:37:36.040 --> 01:37:38.380
continue with NBC\'s Montana just a few

1817
01:37:38.380 --> 01:37:40.239
minutes ago governor Judy parts out a

1818
01:37:40.239 --> 01:37:42.940
big decision here in Libby the people of

1819
01:37:42.940 --> 01:37:45.100
Libya represent everything that is right

1820
01:37:45.100 --> 01:37:47.760
about America you are honest

1821
01:37:47.760 --> 01:37:51.070
hard-working people with a deep sense of

1822
01:37:51.070 --> 01:37:54.010
community and pride this is a place my

1823
01:37:54.010 --> 01:37:56.469
dad could have worked at as that and

1824
01:37:56.469 --> 01:37:58.030
that\'s not good English but that\'s what

1825
01:37:58.030 --> 01:38:01.090
I have this is a place my dad could have

1826
01:38:01.090 --> 01:38:03.639
been a miner as he raised us as a miner

1827
01:38:03.639 --> 01:38:06.100
in Butte this is a community that has

1828
01:38:06.100 --> 01:38:08.710
seen some rough times yet you remain

1829
01:38:08.710 --> 01:38:11.290
committed to work toward a better future

1830
01:38:11.290 --> 01:38:13.719
for your young grandchildren that will

1831
01:38:13.719 --> 01:38:16.320
be coming and the ones that are here now

1832
01:38:16.320 --> 01:38:20.159
that is why today I\'m announcing my

1833
01:38:20.159 --> 01:38:23.260
decision to support a Superfund

1834
01:38:23.260 --> 01:38:25.120
designation for living

1835
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[Applause]

1836
01:38:36.240 --> 01:38:41.240
this is Santa Ana right well maybe not

1837
01:38:45.790 --> 01:38:49.140
just gotta have a sigh of relief

1838
01:38:56.350 --> 01:38:59.479
[Music]

1839
01:39:01.730 --> 01:39:05.530
[Applause]

1840
01:39:05.530 --> 01:39:07.560
[Music]

1841
01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:07.930
[Applause]

1842
01:39:07.930 --> 01:39:12.930
[Music]

1843
01:39:16.580 --> 01:39:19.720
[Applause]

1844
01:39:23.240 --> 01:39:28.240
[Music]

1845
01:39:28.880 --> 01:39:33.199
when Congress wrote the Superfund law

1846
01:39:33.199 --> 01:39:35.459
they didn\'t really want to see some

1847
01:39:35.459 --> 01:39:37.889
Superfund money for everyday asbestos

1848
01:39:37.889 --> 01:39:40.579
removal so in this case the insulation

1849
01:39:40.579 --> 01:39:43.320
we can\'t do that unless there are two

1850
01:39:43.320 --> 01:39:45.360
things present a public health emergency

1851
01:39:45.360 --> 01:39:47.820
and no one else to do the job

1852
01:39:47.820 --> 01:39:52.820
[Music]

1853
01:40:00.420 --> 01:40:03.070
Madam President the asbestos stated

1854
01:40:03.070 --> 01:40:05.470
installation manufactured by the WR

1855
01:40:05.470 --> 01:40:07.840
grace company was used in homes

1856
01:40:07.840 --> 01:40:10.660
throughout the country for decades the

1857
01:40:10.660 --> 01:40:12.580
Environmental Protection Agency has

1858
01:40:12.580 --> 01:40:17.140
estimated that as many as 35 million

1859
01:40:17.140 --> 01:40:20.800
homes schools and businesses may still

1860
01:40:20.800 --> 01:40:24.430
contain this insulation an investigation

1861
01:40:24.430 --> 01:40:25.990
by Pulitzer prize-winning reporter

1862
01:40:25.990 --> 01:40:29.200
Andrew Schneider found that last spring

1863
01:40:29.200 --> 01:40:30.850
while it was addressing the public

1864
01:40:30.850 --> 01:40:34.570
health crisis in Libya Montana the EPA

1865
01:40:34.570 --> 01:40:37.090
was preparing to tell the American

1866
01:40:37.090 --> 01:40:39.550
people about the dangers of sauna light

1867
01:40:39.550 --> 01:40:41.980
insulation in millions of homes across

1868
01:40:41.980 --> 01:40:44.410
the country which brings us to the

1869
01:40:44.410 --> 01:40:48.340
question if the EPA was planning to warn

1870
01:40:48.340 --> 01:40:50.980
the American public about the dangers of

1871
01:40:50.980 --> 01:40:53.860
sauna light installation what stopped

1872
01:40:53.860 --> 01:40:56.470
APA from following through with its plan

1873
01:40:56.470 --> 01:40:59.800
the answers might lie not with the appa

1874
01:40:59.800 --> 01:41:02.440
but with the White House Office of

1875
01:41:02.440 --> 01:41:06.220
Management and Budget OMB and I quote

1876
01:41:06.220 --> 01:41:08.920
this is from the OMB z\' lawyer thank you

1877
01:41:08.920 --> 01:41:10.900
for your efforts to alleviate my

1878
01:41:10.900 --> 01:41:14.530
concerns here are just a few edits which

1879
01:41:14.530 --> 01:41:17.530
are necessary to avoid the problems we

1880
01:41:17.530 --> 01:41:20.380
discussed earlier please be sure to

1881
01:41:20.380 --> 01:41:23.410
observe the deletion of the citation of

1882
01:41:23.410 --> 01:41:28.360
section 104 a for close quote what is

1883
01:41:28.360 --> 01:41:32.200
section 104 a four it is a clause in the

1884
01:41:32.200 --> 01:41:35.170
Superfund law which enables the EPA to

1885
01:41:35.170 --> 01:41:38.610
declare a public health emergency and

1886
01:41:38.610 --> 01:41:42.130
why did OMB tell the EPA to delete the

1887
01:41:42.130 --> 01:41:45.910
citation to section 104 a four well we

1888
01:41:45.910 --> 01:41:48.460
don\'t know for sure but if EPA had

1889
01:41:48.460 --> 01:41:50.770
issued the public health emergency for

1890
01:41:50.770 --> 01:41:54.370
Libby under Superfund then the agency

1891
01:41:54.370 --> 01:41:56.830
would have had to answer question about

1892
01:41:56.830 --> 01:41:59.650
asbestos tainted insulation from every

1893
01:41:59.650 --> 01:42:02.760
other homeowner in the entire country

1894
01:42:02.760 --> 01:42:07.760
[Music]

1895
01:42:17.110 --> 01:42:18.700
[Applause]

1896
01:42:18.700 --> 01:42:19.280
[Music]

1897
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[Applause]

1898
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[Music]

1899
01:42:29.080 --> 01:42:32.210
[Applause]

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you know we\'ve got some cleanup work to

1901
01:42:45.500 --> 01:42:48.530
do I know we have a large medical

1902
01:42:48.530 --> 01:42:50.960
problem this is not a place where the

1903
01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:52.190
government\'s thought of finally

1904
01:42:52.190 --> 01:42:53.900
especially the federal government again

1905
01:42:53.900 --> 01:42:55.520
so there\'s a lot of folks are very

1906
01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:58.550
skeptical about the work we do first of

1907
01:42:58.550 --> 01:43:01.670
all about the need to do it and second

1908
01:43:01.670 --> 01:43:03.410
all about our ability how efficient we

1909
01:43:03.410 --> 01:43:06.110
are getting it done when we open enough

1910
01:43:06.110 --> 01:43:08.150
to know we see how why we made the

1911
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decisions we\'ve made how we spend our

1912
01:43:10.520 --> 01:43:13.100
money and time up here so I expect to

1913
01:43:13.100 --> 01:43:16.720
make them happy till we leave

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[Music]

1915
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alright let\'s take a question I think we

1916
01:43:30.899 --> 01:43:34.049
can all agree that when this first

1917
01:43:34.049 --> 01:43:36.299
started we were under the impression

1918
01:43:36.299 --> 01:43:40.139
that the EPA was going to remove all of

1919
01:43:40.139 --> 01:43:43.459
the vermiculite from all of the houses

1920
01:43:43.459 --> 01:43:45.299
the mitigations

1921
01:43:45.299 --> 01:43:46.559
that we\'re hearing about now is

1922
01:43:46.559 --> 01:43:49.949
different as such this deviation from

1923
01:43:49.949 --> 01:43:54.869
that original plan is quite dramatic I\'m

1924
01:43:54.869 --> 01:43:56.549
just gonna argue over and over that it\'s

1925
01:43:56.549 --> 01:43:58.979
not the right way to address that long

1926
01:43:58.979 --> 01:44:01.499
term risk by spending all our money and

1927
01:44:01.499 --> 01:44:05.129
time right now up front let\'s just

1928
01:44:05.129 --> 01:44:08.099
suppose that utility really okay and

1929
01:44:08.099 --> 01:44:09.299
you\'ve lived in one of these houses that

1930
01:44:09.299 --> 01:44:11.489
had four migs like the wall

1931
01:44:11.489 --> 01:44:13.769
now would you want your family living in

1932
01:44:13.769 --> 01:44:17.549
there if there was a house that we

1933
01:44:17.549 --> 01:44:19.139
cleaned up like we\'re doing I would have

1934
01:44:19.139 --> 01:44:21.059
absolutely no problem having my family

1935
01:44:21.059 --> 01:44:23.099
was there would I go and rip out a wall

1936
01:44:23.099 --> 01:44:25.499
I\'d think twice about it and if I did I

1937
01:44:25.499 --> 01:44:27.239
would take some precautions or I\'d hire

1938
01:44:27.239 --> 01:44:31.589
an asbestos contractor yes when we first

1939
01:44:31.589 --> 01:44:34.139
started this three years ago I thought

1940
01:44:34.139 --> 01:44:37.679
we were just been a battle WR drinks and

1941
01:44:37.679 --> 01:44:39.749
now I\'m afraid we\'re in a battle with

1942
01:44:39.749 --> 01:44:43.260
EPA it must pains me to say this because

1943
01:44:43.260 --> 01:44:45.869
I\'ve been on you guys of site since day

1944
01:44:45.869 --> 01:44:49.169
one dr. White House has told us many

1945
01:44:49.169 --> 01:44:52.289
many times there is no such thing as a

1946
01:44:52.289 --> 01:44:55.709
safe level of asbestos and yet you\'re

1947
01:44:55.709 --> 01:44:58.379
sitting there saying you\'ll take out

1948
01:44:58.379 --> 01:45:01.169
some of it if you find it you know this

1949
01:45:01.169 --> 01:45:03.269
is the ugly gray area of risk management

1950
01:45:03.269 --> 01:45:07.409
lest you do not get absolutely no risk

1951
01:45:07.409 --> 01:45:09.629
from asbestos exposure or anything else

1952
01:45:09.629 --> 01:45:14.010
anywhere and yes not only this yeah my

1953
01:45:14.010 --> 01:45:16.409
mother - oh my dears a dreaming that I

1954
01:45:16.409 --> 01:45:19.019
got asked best sources is that my

1955
01:45:19.019 --> 01:45:23.579
imagination well I can quit taking my

1956
01:45:23.579 --> 01:45:26.039
medicine I am in good shape both they\'re

1957
01:45:26.039 --> 01:45:28.169
all of me less I don\'t see where that\'s

1958
01:45:28.169 --> 01:45:28.899
actually on

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01:45:28.899 --> 01:45:31.329
point right we\'ve talked about we\'ve

1960
01:45:31.329 --> 01:45:33.489
done more to demonstrate the lights on

1961
01:45:33.489 --> 01:45:36.309
the exposures in Libya to talk about the

1962
01:45:36.309 --> 01:45:39.010
toxicity of this fiber but to actually

1963
01:45:39.010 --> 01:45:40.749
get out address the insulation all

1964
01:45:40.749 --> 01:45:42.249
because of what we\'ve seen and observed

1965
01:45:42.249 --> 01:45:44.530
here you know to pretend that it\'s

1966
01:45:44.530 --> 01:45:46.929
ignoring your state or the state of

1967
01:45:46.929 --> 01:45:48.459
those who\'ve gotten sick and died before

1968
01:45:48.459 --> 01:45:52.749
you it is is not it\'s not congruent the

1969
01:45:52.749 --> 01:45:55.780
fact is in this country with the legacy

1970
01:45:55.780 --> 01:45:57.820
that we\'ve left behind as we talk about

1971
01:45:57.820 --> 01:46:02.289
managing risk not eliminating it I want

1972
01:46:02.289 --> 01:46:04.869
to be safe and I can assure you Jim my

1973
01:46:04.869 --> 01:46:06.459
son has something wrong with his life

1974
01:46:06.459 --> 01:46:09.070
and he is 22 and you won\'t make damn

1975
01:46:09.070 --> 01:46:11.260
sure that your kids or your family are

1976
01:46:11.260 --> 01:46:14.649
not anywhere near any asbestos ever you

1977
01:46:14.649 --> 01:46:17.499
did mention in the past that you were

1978
01:46:17.499 --> 01:46:20.139
here to clean up houses it seems to me

1979
01:46:20.139 --> 01:46:24.039
that you\'re committed to something sent

1980
01:46:24.039 --> 01:46:25.809
me the to back away from commitments are

1981
01:46:25.809 --> 01:46:29.379
you just redefining the middle couch in

1982
01:46:29.379 --> 01:46:30.760
it and some sort of bent rhetoric this

1983
01:46:30.760 --> 01:46:33.579
really helps not productive if you\'re

1984
01:46:33.579 --> 01:46:36.699
smart enough to figure out today how all

1985
01:46:36.699 --> 01:46:38.800
this should happen have a financial

1986
01:46:38.800 --> 01:46:42.070
wherewithal I take care step on up I got

1987
01:46:42.070 --> 01:46:44.860
a place not easy work there\'s an easy

1988
01:46:44.860 --> 01:46:47.199
word but it hasn\'t been easy worth all

1989
01:46:47.199 --> 01:46:49.300
along you accepted the responsibility in

1990
01:46:49.300 --> 01:46:52.840
the beginning we have a community that\'s

1991
01:46:52.840 --> 01:46:55.840
banded together to take care of a great

1992
01:46:55.840 --> 01:47:00.309
injustice we were blessed with the best

1993
01:47:00.309 --> 01:47:03.909
of the best from EPA ATSDR and all the

1994
01:47:03.909 --> 01:47:07.719
supporting agencies Jim and Paul and

1995
01:47:07.719 --> 01:47:12.719
Chris and Aubrey are doing the very best

1996
01:47:12.729 --> 01:47:14.590
with the best science they have

1997
01:47:14.590 --> 01:47:16.719
available to make sure that each one of

1998
01:47:16.719 --> 01:47:20.769
us is safe today and safe tomorrow that

1999
01:47:20.769 --> 01:47:23.260
libyan never looks back that it always

2000
01:47:23.260 --> 01:47:26.709
looks forward unfortunately we\'ve had

2001
01:47:26.709 --> 01:47:28.590
more than our fair share

2002
01:47:28.590 --> 01:47:33.590
bombs but maybe we can trust we can pray

2003
01:47:33.750 --> 01:47:35.760
we can hope and let\'s work through our

2004
01:47:35.760 --> 01:47:38.540
problems together

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[Applause]

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01:47:40.970 --> 01:47:45.509
[Music]

2007
01:47:48.730 --> 01:47:53.730
[Music]

2008
01:47:54.270 --> 01:47:59.270
you know I\'m a very simple person I

2009
01:47:59.889 --> 01:48:04.889
truly am but my thoughts lately are

2010
01:48:07.149 --> 01:48:12.149
quite complicated a lot of the religion

2011
01:48:13.149 --> 01:48:17.189
a lot of the politics

2012
01:48:17.189 --> 01:48:20.520
the asbestos the flying dust

2013
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[Music]

2014
01:48:24.040 --> 01:48:28.540
so when I hang my sign that says Jesus

2015
01:48:28.540 --> 01:48:29.290
is scuba

2016
01:48:29.290 --> 01:48:33.340
I\'m trying in my way abstract is it baby

2017
01:48:33.340 --> 01:48:35.950
we all have different minds to try and

2018
01:48:35.950 --> 01:48:40.950
shake people before trauma where she was

2019
01:48:45.130 --> 01:48:50.130
an artist I got here for a night

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01:48:52.230 --> 01:48:55.230
somewhere

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[Music]

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01:49:01.320 --> 01:49:04.490
[Music]

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01:49:06.860 --> 01:49:11.160
[Music]

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01:49:11.160 --> 01:49:16.160
it\'s inattention that\'s good enough

2025
01:49:16.410 --> 01:49:17.710
which thing

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01:49:17.710 --> 01:49:22.710
[Music]

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01:49:54.969 --> 01:49:58.440
[Applause]

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01:49:58.440 --> 01:50:03.440
[Music]

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01:50:19.530 --> 01:50:22.080
I don\'t have to look very far in there

2030
01:50:22.080 --> 01:50:24.860
to see people I know

2031
01:50:29.429 --> 01:50:32.000
we\'re good

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01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:32.670
[Music]

2033
01:50:32.670 --> 01:50:35.880
[Applause]

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01:50:35.880 --> 01:50:40.880
you

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01:50:46.650 --> 01:50:51.650
[Music]

2036
01:51:05.619 --> 01:51:09.919
let\'s poke everybody couldn\'t learn from

2037
01:51:09.919 --> 01:51:11.629
what happened don\'t let it happen again

2038
01:51:11.629 --> 01:51:14.899
and maybe to go on and we maybe will go

2039
01:51:14.899 --> 01:51:17.869
on the people will go on with their

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01:51:17.869 --> 01:51:20.800
lives the table will go on

2041
01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:23.390
it\'s just good just like getting the

2042
01:51:23.390 --> 01:51:26.420
other thing it will appease itself to

2043
01:51:26.420 --> 01:51:29.180
everybody and they will come to grips

2044
01:51:29.180 --> 01:51:29.780
with it

2045
01:51:29.780 --> 01:51:31.520
and

2046
01:51:31.520 --> 01:51:35.670
everybody at the tone itself prosper

2047
01:51:35.670 --> 01:51:37.620
it takes time but that\'s true of

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01:51:37.620 --> 01:51:40.070
anything

2049
01:51:46.060 --> 01:51:51.060
we hereby remember by name and

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01:51:56.040 --> 01:51:59.730
they\'re my ask God\'s blessing upon the

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01:51:59.730 --> 01:52:04.220
souls of the following person

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01:52:04.220 --> 01:52:09.220
[Music]

2053
01:52:17.650 --> 01:52:22.650
to avoid three blocks

2054
01:52:22.989 --> 01:52:27.989
in physics and prying Fredrickson longer

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01:52:29.329 --> 01:52:30.890
for the

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01:52:30.890 --> 01:52:33.620
[Music]

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01:52:33.620 --> 01:52:38.620
large cans thomas of her fucking

2058
01:52:39.380 --> 01:52:44.380
journals for those johanna friends

2059
01:52:58.969 --> 01:53:02.409
[Applause]

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01:53:02.409 --> 01:53:04.420
still

2061
01:53:04.420 --> 01:53:07.060
[Music]

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01:53:07.060 --> 01:53:10.159
[Applause]

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01:53:10.940 --> 01:53:15.940
Perry Hostetler Hannah Palmer Mike

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01:53:19.660 --> 01:53:24.300
Palmer Ren Palmer John Parker

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01:53:24.300 --> 01:53:29.300
Clarence Peterson Donald Peters

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01:53:30.480 --> 01:53:35.480
[Music]

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01:53:40.780 --> 01:53:44.260
Nina matter

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01:53:45.840 --> 01:53:50.700
it\'s just a matter of time

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01:53:50.700 --> 01:53:55.700
till the does made you choke and the

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01:53:57.670 --> 01:54:01.080
dark meat blind

2071
01:54:01.080 --> 01:54:05.670
it ain\'t much of a choice

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01:54:05.670 --> 01:54:09.119
when noise

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01:54:09.119 --> 01:54:14.110
no son

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01:54:14.110 --> 01:54:18.330
[Music]

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01:54:18.330 --> 01:54:20.150
I\'ll be on

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01:54:20.150 --> 01:54:24.070
[Music]

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01:54:24.070 --> 01:54:27.270
[Applause]

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01:54:29.750 --> 01:54:33.190
mainly working

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01:54:34.590 --> 01:54:38.010
rather work

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01:54:39.780 --> 01:54:43.710
earn the back in

2081
01:54:45.280 --> 01:54:48.510
sign up

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01:54:48.510 --> 01:54:53.510
silver do

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01:54:54.130 --> 01:54:58.500
[Music]

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01:54:58.500 --> 01:55:02.519
but I know

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01:55:02.519 --> 01:55:04.980
yeah

2086
01:55:04.980 --> 01:55:09.570
say goodbye this town baby come on the

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01:55:09.570 --> 01:55:14.570
phone any day it\'s just a matter of time

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[Music]

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you

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