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When we finally reached our
big moment, we were ready.

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We had spent weeks refining our pitch,

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expanding on our initial concepts
to create a sweeping narrative.

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We were sure would bowl over any networks,

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especially HBOA network
known for bold programming.

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There was also another
factor in our favor timing.

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It was the lockdown networks were eager
for content since everyone was home

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and no one knew how long
the new normal would last.

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And also George Floyd was murdered.

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The killing of George Floyd and the
subsequent protests created an interesting

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moment in Hollywood.

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Studios were scrambling to show support
for black creatives and very interested

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in distributing content about
the American racial regime.

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Apparently that great American misfortune
had turned into an opportunity for

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black voices, so on a
poor Zoom connection,

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slow from the demand of all the other
people in the world using Zoom for

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business because in-person
meetings were halted. We,

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along with Denise and Issa Rae
laid out our ambitions to the most

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important executive in
documentary filmmaking

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in the previous episode. You met the most
charming chef in New Orleans. Shut up.

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Recounting her experience of cooking
within the very racialized kitchens there.

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Then we had our first big meeting with
the Hollywood executive and we started

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daydreaming of dollars. We.

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Want 300 grand an episode.

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Lots of it. We took you back to the St.

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Rock market to reveal that I
was actually a vendor there

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and through my
participation in the market,

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I was inadvertently part of
the gentrification of the area.

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Just like boys now aim
that the real motherfucker.

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Are you a gentrifier tuned in? Anyway,

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we stayed on my personal story explaining
that my journey into kitchens began in

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Detroit in 2013 when I
opened my first restaurant.

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It was a quick success and
this achievement, however,

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commendable was only possible because
of the economic conditions of the city,

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which we spent an extensive amount of
time historicizing and explaining and

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at the end of the episode,

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you left us as we were preparing for
our first big pitch with a network.

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How does the show ultimately work
and what are the mechanics of it?

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HBO, and that's a document you just saw.

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Y'all better not steal our
pitch ideas or else we'll Sue.

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So this is where we left off in the last
episode going through Detroit's past

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and now we're getting into
a recent history of Detroit.

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Political history. Okay.

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Then we gained Dennis Archer.

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That was a gift by Willie Brown.

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Willie Brown, the.

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Mayor of San Francisco.

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This is you right here.

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Yep.

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You were like a movie start, huh?

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That was the first year I was
mayor throwing out the first pitch.

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This is when.

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You won time the.

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Cup. Yeah, we won the back to
back. Yeah. First we won here.

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Next we won in Washington DC
away, but that was the first one.

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How long had you been playing for the.

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I was mayor brother. I never played.

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The first black mayor on hockey team.

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That's when

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on Martha's Vineyard with
President Bill Clinton.

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Do.

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You all.

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Still talk? Pardon? Do you
guys still talk? You and Bill.

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I see him periodically
and we chitchat. Yeah.

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When I was mayor of the city of
Detroit, he found that we had a,

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I think it was $88.5 million
deficit that I was going to

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inherit. This is not the first time
that the city had those issues.

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Mayor Jerome Cavanaugh,

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who was mayor at the time that we had the
1967 Rebellion in the city of Detroit.

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He had gone to testify
before Congress that

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the city of Detroit was potentially

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in jeopardy of going into bankruptcy.

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So since the sixties, the city
has been teetering on bankruptcy.

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No. When you say teetering
on bankruptcy, yeah,

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we went in and out of having
financial problems. We'd come out,

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we'd have the financial
problem, they would get solved,

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everything was fine. We'd get back into,

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it would go back and forth.

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That's kind of teetering a little bit.

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Well, when you use the word teetering,
I think of teeter tot us up and down,

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up and down.

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So there had been the history
since at least the sixties

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of fiscal challenges with the city.

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Yes.

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Severe enough that the
mayor went to the Senate.

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Went to Mayor Kavanaugh, went to Congress
and said we need some fiscal help.

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Right. Well that's exactly right.

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We have the problems and in many
instances we have the power,

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but we don't have the resources, the
financial resources, the resources,

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the public resources in this country
are either in the state government or

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principally the federal government.

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May I suggest that we move
and go back up so that we

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have more space, more air circulation?

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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And we continue the conversation.

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I won't.

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Miss a beat. I'm being
conscious of the waiver.

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Thank you. You need to
have air circulation.

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We were recording in the thick of Covid,

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so we had everyone signing Covid waivers.

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Mayor Archer was the only one who pressed
us on the protocol and our lawyer had

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to spend hours on the phone convincing
him to sign the appearance release too.

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He's a thorough man.

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What else was ongoing?

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Sorry, I'm just going to rush into
the bathroom if you don't mind.

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I drank a lot of tea.

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That's true. Turn your microphone
off. Your colleague could hear you.

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She could hear you in the afternoon.

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Where are we setting up?

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So there's an $83 million hole
and then there's still expenses.

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You don't have enough time in this
interview for me to lay out for you.

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Let's just say the first
day that I was in office,

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my office was on the.

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Interview with Mayor Dennis
Archer was such fun. He was sharp,

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had great command of the
facts and he was also feisty.

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He didn't hesitate to interrupt
my questions or remind
Theo of the Covid waiver.

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We asked him to sign.

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Mayor asking Jess that

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because you can edit it as you feel if
you can sort of keep the distance as

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opposed to being real close. I'm
just trying to be cognizant of

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him. We, not him, but of
the agreement. Right, right.

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We want you to be fully protected.

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If we measure success by economic impact,

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then Mayor Archer was one of Detroit's
most successful mayors. Hello.

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I'm Dennis Archer, mayor of Detroit.

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Our great city is in the midst of a
multi-billion dollar redevelopment of our

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neighborhoods and our downtown
area. We saw new venues for sports,

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shopping and entertainment,

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revitalize other historic American
cities in the 1980s and nineties.

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Now it's Detroit's turn for a new makeover
that will attract visitors to a new

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destination city.

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And considering the fiscal prospects
of the city at the time of his

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inauguration, his record is even more
enviable. But there's an asterisk,

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a vital fact that made
his success possible.

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This fact doesn't diminish
his accomplishments,

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but they put in context the failures
that proceeded and succeeded him.

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I had the benefit of a
Clinton Gore administration.

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I had the benefit of having the
Clinton administration who believe in

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supporting and working with cities,

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giving cities a hand up

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and not a out.

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Without the federal
assistance or intervention.

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What do you think your
administration would've been like

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trying to manage the
fiscal situation here?

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I don't have to worry about didn't,

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let me put it this way. You ask
what if no federal intervention?

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I don't have to guess. What
about federal intervention?

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Because we had it every year that I was
in office, we had a balanced budget,

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we had a modest rainy day fund,

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we had a modest surplus and
we were paying our bills

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as they became due and we
started delivering services to

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our citizens.

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We started getting all kinds of newspaper
articles about the city of Detroit

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while I was mayor.

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They were calling the city Detroit
to come back city and we had

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such great civic involvement. Our
communities, our community said,

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what can we do to help
ourselves? They were fully.

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Engaged. So what changed?

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What changed after your administration?

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The city elected mayor, Kwame Kirkpatrick.

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Detroit voted Kwame got
to go. It's not safe.

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There's no services, but yet our

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elected officials continue
to use our tax dollars.

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So just so I'm sure when you say that,

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what changed for the city after you left
office and you say Kwame Kirkpatrick,

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are you saying that his.

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I'm just saying that he was mayor.

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Whatever it was going to occur
was under his administration,

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what he was working for,
what he wanted to try to do.

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But.

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Then he had some other issues and I'm
not getting into those other issues.

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Deputy Chief Gary Brown said the mayor
fired him for looking into rumors of a

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wild party at the Manukian mansion.

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There was no party at the Manukian.

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While that controversy Sied,

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some questioned what seemed to
be the mayor's imperial style.

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The 13 car motorcade to one speech.

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The barber's chair near his office was
security detail, ordering lunch for him.

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No cheese, actually No.

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Cheese. Right.

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Well I am not talking about his personal
issues or his even administrative

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issues. I'm talking about the largest
structural reality that he was under,

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like the loss of some were self.

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If you.

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Were to talk, wait a.

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Minute.

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I feel that I cannot leave
this auditorium with my wife

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and my son sitting there
without addressing this issue.

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In the past 30 days,

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I've been called a nigger

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more than any time in my entire life.

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In the past three days,

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I've received more death
threats than I have in my entire

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administration. I've
heard these words before,

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but I've never heard people
say them about my wife and

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children. I have to say this
because it's very personal to me.

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I don't believe that a Nielsen rating

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is worth the life of my
children or your children.

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This unethical,

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illegal lynch mob mentality has to stop

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and it's seriously time.

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We've never been here before and I
don't care if they cut the TV off.

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There was a different from what
I read in the paper what occurred

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There was a different
way of doing business.

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Whatever Mayor Kilpatrick's shortcomings,

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he was not the reason
for Detroit's bankruptcy.

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Detroit was doomed to fault and fail
eventually because it had a cashflow

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problem. Since the 1950s, defendant.

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Kilpatrick this court is going
to sentence you to the following.

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For the text message cases.

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It was only a matter
of time. Unfortunately,

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the timing coincided with male
kilpatrick's administrative wo.

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It was as the nautical
expression goes a perfect storm.

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Okay.

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In the early odds,
Detroit was in a bad way.

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Everything seemed to be falling apart.

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The center could not hold a
sample of the litany of woes,

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not in chronological order.

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Mad read Mayor Kram Kilpatrick
indicted on federal charges,

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local real estate market implodes,

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general mors files for
chapter 11 bankruptcy.

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The Detroit lions suck really
bad municipal leadership mired

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in embarrassing in fighting.

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But I said based upon I have
the floor president pro Tim,

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I don't want to hear you anymore.
You don't have to hear me.

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We don't have to hear you then be quiet
because I'm speaking and I'm asking you

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do that at home. Not
here and not your father,

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but I am the president and
right now I have the floor.

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Because I'm tired of that. Be respectful
me. You may not do that at home,

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but you going to do it up in stop.

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Interrupting.

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You grow up, control your house and you
know how to treat other women better.

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The last one. I'm the first one
to talk. Council member Shrek.

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Out of order.

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First of all, it's out of order. You
are sitting by a plant. I don't know.

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Look at this. Is that a panty?

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Is that a scru Crunchy?
S Crunchy. Say what part

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man.

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Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick indicted on
federal charges municipal leadership,

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the last one.

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To talk. I'm the first one to
talk council to Shrek Shrek.

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Don't disrespect order of the day.

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I will call this to adjourn. If you don't.

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Do it, baby ajour, do it.
Move to adjourn. Do it.

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We're going to take a brief recess.

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There's a primary tension.

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This documentary is designed to write
distress between personal responsibility

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and systemic constraints.

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Can individuals change the system or
does the system condemn us to inescapable

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roles to show how systems
shape individual outcomes?

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We've taken my life as a primary
narrative device tracing my personal and

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professional history,

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but taking detours to reveal the bigger
forces that whip individuals here and

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there.

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Detroit's half centuries
slide into bankruptcy was a
circumstance that permitted

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me, acquired, broke, quite inexperienced
operator to open up a restaurant.

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But whatever benefits I received as a
result of the city's decline is snatched

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back by the same system. The
system is like a wave we all ride.

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The crest is reserved for the
few, the trough for the many.

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And when you're at the
bottom of the bottom,

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the lowest rung of the system
you have, but two friends,

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fear and uncertainty.

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Press one or start to accept the
call. To deny this call, press two.

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That's it.

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So talk me through your
choice of how you decided to

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portray black leadership in Detroit,

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particularly the clips you chose
and then also even with Mayor

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Archer when he remind you to turn off
the mic and you didn't tell me about how

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you decided to frame.

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What I would love to see in this is an
analysis on gender and sexuality and how

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that's at play.

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Because it's not just when we talk
about black chefs without being

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clear about that, we're just
talking about black men.

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Black men sometimes are trying to achieve
the same kind of levels of success

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that their white male counterparts are.

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And the only way we can deal
with that is to talk about that.

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That's our hierarchy to deal
with in our culture as well.

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So I'm wondering how that can be
introduced into the narrative. Yeah,

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I think.

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To we,

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I focused a lot on the
men and a lot on me.

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Detroit's voters destroyed the theory
that a white candidate could never win

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there. Easily electing
Mike Duggan as mayor.

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Detroit hasn't elected
a white mayor since.

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1970 When Richard Nixon was
president. And as you know,

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and I've said a hundred times, it
does not matter if you are black,

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brown or white. It does not
matter if you are Christian,

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Jewish or Muslim. It does not
matter if you are gay or straight.

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It does not matter if you were born
in the city of Detroit or you're an

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immigrant from another country.

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All of us are sharing a dream
to rebuild this city together.

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Cream. What color is that of Nesta? May.

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I wish I knew. Yeah, if you're
looking for me for fashion counsel,

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I'm the wrong guy.

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Okay, I think we're
okay. Are we good? Yeah.

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What do you think it is that attracts
you to places that are kind of losing

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money?

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Well, I don't know about being attracted
to places that are losing money.

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I was born in Detroit.

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I lived here as a kid and it seemed
like the breaks always went against

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the city.

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I mean it was just decades of
government policy and industrial policy,

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all of which worked against Detroit.

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To your point of 62 years of depopulation,

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62 years of financial crises of
this sort of boom and bust cycle

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that so many people have
tried in so many ways,

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not many people have been successful.

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Do you continue yourself
special? Are you the gifted one?

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I'm a person that gets
people to work together.

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And as you look at what happened in
the city as it slid into bankruptcy,

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you had the mayor fighting
with the governor,

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the mayor fighting with the unions,

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the mayor fighting with
Washington and it was terrible.

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There were a lot of people who would've
been willing to help if the city had

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been unified.

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So Detroit is, we
mentioned 83% black, right?

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The biggest black city in the country.

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You are the first white mayor since.

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Not since in 50 years,
something like that.

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Yeah. What does that mean to you?

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So when I worked at the medical center
where the vast majority of our patients

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were African-American and poor people
would come up to me all the time and

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said, you have to run
for mayor. And I said,

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I don't think that's
politically realistic,

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but if there's any place in America,

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we've started to get past the historic
racial distrust between blacks and

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whites. It's urban hospitals. When the
patient comes in with a heart condition,

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it doesn't matter if they're
black or white, it doesn't matter.

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The ethnic background of
the doctors and nurses,

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you see each other as people first at
urban hospitals and in racial stereotype

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Second. And when I started
the campaign for mayor,

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I thought if people could
get to see my heart,

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maybe we could get past
these historic racial.

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Divisions. You've also done something
beyond just attracting business.

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You are having them invest in some of
these programs that you're working on.

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Are you worried or
concerned about what the

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expectations are from those folks? So.

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Jamie Diamond, the
largest bank in America,

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came here and said he wanted
to do an investment and

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he had some ideas,

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I had some different ideas and I
really encouraged him to start an.

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Entrepreneur colors fund. If you
have a mayor that's like this, mayor,

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that's the place you want to invest
because it'll work and you're dealing with

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an adult who's honest, who wants
to make it work for their city,

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who will tell you no if it doesn't
work and they ask you for help about

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something. He's very creative too about,

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he's the one who mentioned
that entrepreneurs of color
are having a hard time

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getting funding for a business.

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They don't have the backup that wealthier
non-minorities have or something like

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that. He told me out of the first.

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45 Business loans they made,

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they only had one default out of 45,

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which is better than their adorable
business. And I said, Jamie,

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if you only had one default,
you're not loaning enough money.

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Sorry about Jamie Dawin doesn't give
a fuck about small black businesses in

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Detroit. That's not how they make money.

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They want to come back again and again.

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JP Morgan's now put $200
million in the city. When was.

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The housing crisis?
Financial crisis? 2008.

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Half of black wealth was devastated and
the folks who profited were big back,

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no question about it.

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What was that conversation with Jamie
Diamond or the other folks who sort of

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coming now to do work

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in Detroit considering that
their prior work was what

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got us here?

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In a sense, in the 13
years before I got elected,

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240,000 people moved out
of the city of Detroit.

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There was no value in me talking
about who was to blame and

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to beat them.

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I got elected by the people who stayed
and the people who stayed expected me to

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deal with the blight, deal with the
services, and bring opportunity back.

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So I don't spend a lot of time attacking
people over what they did in 2010.

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I'm talking to 'em about
what they're going to do.

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Like fiscal reality of Detroit,
like I said before, is cyclical.

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You have these periods of
maybe growth and expansion,

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but then you should like
to Jimmy Diamond though

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wait,

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he was probably thing that caused the
financial crisis and is coming back to

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Detroit to give out loans.
Two people full of people.

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It's incredible. There's capitalism, baby.

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So I guess I'm seeing all of this to

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talk about how the past keeps coming back.

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How do you make sure that what happened
in 2008 and 2005 with the financial

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crisis specifically, how that affected
black folks and homeowners here?

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How do you make sure that that doesn't
happen? Cycles are predictable.

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So I feel like I just asked him
a God question like he's God,

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how do you make sure everything works
out the way it's supposed to work out?

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How do you make bad things that happen
but he has an answer for everything.

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This man is.

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The fuck. Is that.

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To the point,

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the way you guys have kind of been
thinking about structuring right now does

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feel like it might be more
better off in a longer form

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documentary like a one-off
versus something that kind
of keeps the engine going.

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This is going to probably be the same
question that we're asked from any network

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because they're all going to want to
know what is the longevity of the show.

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You guys want to get to
some questions and answers.

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So does anyone have a question?

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There was a portion in one of the episodes
where you were showing a screening,

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viewing it was a matter of watching them,

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watching themselves but not themselves.

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So is that something you do at
each screen and then it's in

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a subsequent episode,
so does it just keep.

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Building on it? Yeah, nobody's
safe. We're filming right now.

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I got some footage before. I mean
we've already done the screening stick,

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so maybe unless someone
says something crazy then we

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put it in. But you can
only do that so many times.

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How old were you detained? I was
detained for, it was 20 days.

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Those detention centers
have courts in them

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and those courts are not backlogged
at all. They're ready for you.

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Do you have a response about
my immigration detention?

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That's episode four. Thank you
guys for coming. Thank you.